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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2015, 12:52:40 AM »
I don't really care, like stated previously, if these countries are so racist then don't go there. You guys act like racism and bigotry is some new phenomenon, it has existed as long as people have. No matter how enlightened and civilized we pretend to be, people stick with their own kind.

Fair point. Especially since the immigration into France is mainly from their former colonies. Colonies that have had hundreds of years of experience with French racism. So anyone claiming this racism was something the immigrants could not have suspected is being disingenuous at best.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2015, 12:54:10 AM »
You guys are forgetting that countries like France DESPERATELY need immigrants.



Like I DESPERATELY need broken glass shoved violently up my urethra.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2015, 07:43:36 AM »
You guys are forgetting that countries like France DESPERATELY need immigrants.



And in the future, who will the 'French' then be...?

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2015, 07:58:23 AM »
At some point we have to take responsibility for how racism makes it difficult for minorities/immigrants to fully participate in a culture.

Didn't keep the damned slant eyes from becoming Asian at everything.

Seems it's not all minorities that can't overcome oppression.
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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2015, 07:59:16 AM »
And in the future, who will the 'French' then be...?


The same but browner.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2015, 08:12:27 AM »
And in the future, who will the 'French' then be...?

Non existent, apparently they don't believe French culture is worth fighting for.
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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2015, 08:33:33 AM »

The same but browner.

No, those 'browner' people have a different culture and religion.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2015, 09:11:11 AM »
You guys are forgetting that countries like France DESPERATELY need immigrants.


And what would be the reason?  ;D

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2015, 12:39:57 PM »
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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2015, 05:38:06 PM »
By  Shawn Tully - Fortune Magazine
July 24, 2015,

It’s not Greece you should worry about.

The way Greece is hogging headlines and tormenting heads of state, you’d think a “Grexit” is the biggest threat to the eurozone’s future. It isn’t. The greatest danger—and it’s being mostly ignored—is the shocking slide in competitiveness of the single currency’s second- and third-largest economies, France and Italy. One ailment encapsulates Europe’s énorme problème: France can’t sell cars.

Put simply, the cost of making products in France is far higher than in the nations it competes with. The hourly labor expense of manufacturing a car or steel beam in France rose 17% over the past decade, more than twice the increase in Germany. And even though wages have merely tracked inflation since 2008, costs keep climbing because workers are getting less and less productive. That’s chiefly because France’s manufacturers are so starved for profits that they can’t afford to replace or refurbish antiquated plants and IT systems.

By contrast, Ireland, Spain, and Portugal have all acted while France fiddled, liberalizing their labor markets and lowering unit costs over the past six years by 7% to 12%. The results have been disastrous for France’s competitiveness. In the past 10 years its share of all EU exports dropped from 12% to 9.5%, the worst performance of any major country in Western Europe.

And it’s not just France that’s struggling. Italy’s products are now even pricier. From the late 1990s to mid-2000s, Italy’s manufacturing costs exploded. “Italy is the nation I’m watching,” says Uri Dadush, an economist at the Carnegie Endowment. “It’s lost an enormous amount of competitiveness to Germany, and things aren’t improving.”

http://fortune.com/2015/07/24/france-auto-sales/

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2015, 06:06:24 PM »
By  Shawn Tully - Fortune Magazine
July 24, 2015,

It’s not Greece you should worry about.

The way Greece is hogging headlines and tormenting heads of state, you’d think a “Grexit” is the biggest threat to the eurozone’s future. It isn’t. The greatest danger—and it’s being mostly ignored—is the shocking slide in competitiveness of the single currency’s second- and third-largest economies, France and Italy. One ailment encapsulates Europe’s énorme problème: France can’t sell cars.

Put simply, the cost of making products in France is far higher than in the nations it competes with. The hourly labor expense of manufacturing a car or steel beam in France rose 17% over the past decade, more than twice the increase in Germany. And even though wages have merely tracked inflation since 2008, costs keep climbing because workers are getting less and less productive. That’s chiefly because France’s manufacturers are so starved for profits that they can’t afford to replace or refurbish antiquated plants and IT systems.

By contrast, Ireland, Spain, and Portugal have all acted while France fiddled, liberalizing their labor markets and lowering unit costs over the past six years by 7% to 12%. The results have been disastrous for France’s competitiveness. In the past 10 years its share of all EU exports dropped from 12% to 9.5%, the worst performance of any major country in Western Europe.

And it’s not just France that’s struggling. Italy’s products are now even pricier. From the late 1990s to mid-2000s, Italy’s manufacturing costs exploded. “Italy is the nation I’m watching,” says Uri Dadush, an economist at the Carnegie Endowment. “It’s lost an enormous amount of competitiveness to Germany, and things aren’t improving.”

http://fortune.com/2015/07/24/france-auto-sales/

While I do agree with the normalisation (economists call it "wage compression") that happened in Ireland and other bailout countries, it has had shitty side effects - not just lower wages but zero-hour contracts, the rise and rise of "internships" (ie working for free)... but in 2011/2012 it was needed. We were in a state.

France is a basket case. Total retards when it comes to macroeconomics. They strike (all - not just govt services) all the time... and they are disruptive assholes. Strike at port and allow terrorists into UK. Farmers protest by blocking ports for export with other countries. Close pharmacies. Total shitbag entitlement. You can't close a company that sells necessary drugs for LIVING over some stupid wage protest.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2015, 06:44:24 PM »


France is a basket case. Total retards when it comes to macroeconomics. They strike (all - not just govt services) all the time... and they are disruptive assholes. Strike at port and allow terrorists into UK. Farmers protest by blocking ports for export with other countries. Close pharmacies. Total shitbag entitlement. You can't close a company that sells necessary drugs for LIVING over some stupid wage protest.

Yes, France is a basket case and it's failing all it's citizens, not just Muslims.  It's ironic, France invented the phrase Laissez-faire, yet they don't seem to follow it.



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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2015, 09:14:41 PM »
By  Shawn Tully - Fortune Magazine
July 24, 2015,

It’s not Greece you should worry about.

The way Greece is hogging headlines and tormenting heads of state, you’d think a “Grexit” is the biggest threat to the eurozone’s future. It isn’t. The greatest danger—and it’s being mostly ignored—is the shocking slide in competitiveness of the single currency’s second- and third-largest economies, France and Italy. One ailment encapsulates Europe’s énorme problème: France can’t sell cars.

Put simply, the cost of making products in France is far higher than in the nations it competes with. The hourly labor expense of manufacturing a car or steel beam in France rose 17% over the past decade, more than twice the increase in Germany. And even though wages have merely tracked inflation since 2008, costs keep climbing because workers are getting less and less productive. That’s chiefly because France’s manufacturers are so starved for profits that they can’t afford to replace or refurbish antiquated plants and IT systems.

By contrast, Ireland, Spain, and Portugal have all acted while France fiddled, liberalizing their labor markets and lowering unit costs over the past six years by 7% to 12%. The results have been disastrous for France’s competitiveness. In the past 10 years its share of all EU exports dropped from 12% to 9.5%, the worst performance of any major country in Western Europe.

And it’s not just France that’s struggling. Italy’s products are now even pricier. From the late 1990s to mid-2000s, Italy’s manufacturing costs exploded. “Italy is the nation I’m watching,” says Uri Dadush, an economist at the Carnegie Endowment. “It’s lost an enormous amount of competitiveness to Germany, and things aren’t improving.”

http://fortune.com/2015/07/24/france-auto-sales/

Italy has been flooded with 'immigrants'/refugees for the past 15 years.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2015, 12:11:23 AM »
At some point we have to take responsibility for how racism makes it difficult for minorities/immigrants to fully participate in a culture.

fuck off with your nonsense, f.aggot.

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Re: Why France is failing its Muslims
« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2015, 12:39:46 AM »
Yes, France is a basket case and it's failing all it's citizens, not just Muslims.  It's ironic, France invented the phrase Laissez-faire, yet they don't seem to follow it.




Laissez faire is an economic system which is broadly viewed as ineffective and which has no place in modern french economics. Please explain wtf you're taking about.