CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence

[Lustral]

Who voted for this law?

Did you vote for abortion (roe v wade) or legality of gay marriage (sc again)?

No... yet they are nationwide laws.

I can't see how this law does not violate the 2nd amendment though... if you have a right to presumption of innocence, surely you should enjoy the privileges (owning a gun, voting etc) that go along with that right. Can anyone say how it does not violate the 2nd amendment? You have a right to carry a gun; thinking you "might" do something is totalitarian if left unchecked.

[SF1900]

More details about this law:


If a judge determines someone to be a risk and issues a GVRO, that order will:

    Temporarily prohibit that person from purchasing or possessing firearms or ammunition
    Allow law enforcement to temporarily remove any firearms or ammunition already in that person’s possession
    Include procedures to allow the person have his or her guns and ammunition returned

[Lustral]

More details about this law:


If a judge determines someone to be a risk and issues a GVRO, that order will:

    Temporarily prohibit that person from purchasing or possessing firearms or ammunition
    Allow law enforcement to temporarily remove any firearms or ammunition already in that person’s possession
    Include procedures to allow the person have his or her guns and ammunition returned

Smacks to me of the law on encroaching property. You cannot do it without due legal process (ie a warrant). It is a fairly high standard, and if someone is an immediate risk it seems useless. "hey, this guy looks like he is gonna kill - ok wait for judge to sit at 10.30am tomorrow"...

[SF1900]

Smacks to me of the law on encroaching property. You cannot do it without due legal process (ie a warrant). It is a fairly high standard, and if someone is an immediate risk it seems useless. "hey, this guy looks like he is gonna kill - ok wait for judge to sit at 10.30am tomorrow"...

That is why a judge has to decide if the person is a potential thread. If the judge decides that person X is a potential threat, then I assume that he/she will give a warrant to the police to enter the person's home and remove their guns. Whether or not the judge can determine if there is a threat is a whole other story. However, they will get around the warrant issue by having a judge sign off on it.

[Rambone]

Just picked up my first AK today. God bless America

[chaos]

Did you vote for abortion (roe v wade) or legality of gay marriage (sc again)?

Do you suck dick in an alley?

[Lustral]

Do you suck dick in an alley?

This is unbelievable. You are so fucking stupid you cannot see I was supporting the 2nd amendment here. Are you spoon fed and dictate posts to a carer through a series of grunts and moans you fucking retard?

If you want finality to the rhetorical questions I asked, you didn't vote for the 2nd amendment yet you defend it like you defend your right to be completely ignorant. I hate you. I fucking hate you. You are so stupid I would watch a video of you being run over by a car full of clowns on worldstar just to prove no brains got splattered.

[chaos]

This is unbelievable. You are so fucking stupid you cannot see I was supporting the 2nd amendment here. Are you spoon fed and dictate posts to a carer through a series of grunts and moans you fucking retard?

If you want finality to the rhetorical questions I asked, you didn't vote for the 2nd amendment yet you defend it like you defend your right to be completely ignorant. I hate you. I fucking hate you. You are so stupid I would watch a video of you being run over by a car full of clowns on worldstar just to prove no brains got splattered.

You're not even American, your opinion is worth less than the rubles sev got for selling your sisters ass on the cobblestone boulevard.

[SF1900]

You're not even American, your opinion is worth less than the rubles sev got for selling your sisters ass on the cobblestone boulevard.

Why is his opinion worthless because hes not an American? What does that have to do with anything?

Many people from America travel overseas to educate students from different countries and vice versa.

You can learn from anyone, no matter where they are from.

[Twaddle]

Just picked up my first AK today. God bless America

What kind?

[chaos]

Why is his opinion worthless because hes not an American? What does that have to do with anything?

Many people from America travel overseas to educate students from different countries and vice versa.

You can learn from anyone, no matter where they are from.

Cock loving troll.

[SF1900]

Cock loving troll.

In other words, you have no clever comeback. 

[chaos]

In other words, you have no clever comeback.  

For what? The useless and invalid opinion of some douchenozzles 1/2 way around the world on political issues in my country?  
Or a clever comeback for your cock loving troll ways?

[Lustral]

For what? The useless and invalid opinion of some douchenozzles 1/2 way around the world on political issues in my country? 

That point might make some sense, except I opined that it must be in breach of the 2nd amendment.

I will go on a limb and say i know the political issues in your country more than you do. I mean on a national level. I know your constitution, i could name the 50 states and most capitals, and I sure as fucking hell understand the concepts and arguments about all of those issues better than you.

You are a disgrace to your country. Boast about something the USA has and I will point to an immigrant. Point to a native American and I will say "Ira Hayes" and mass slaughter. You are just uneducated scum.

[mr.turbo]

conehead is in such a tizzy over his gun fun he can't figure out who yell at,

wantonly lashing out at people who agree with him

[SF1900]

For what? The useless and invalid opinion of some douchenozzles 1/2 way around the world on political issues in my country?  
Or a clever comeback for your cock loving troll ways?

Doesn't mean he may not  have something useful to say, no matter where he is from.

But, really, aren't all our opinions useless and invalid? The average citizen really has no political power to change anything, thus rendering their opinions useless and valid. This is even sadder, considering we are American, and our opinions means jack shit.

ps - Lustral was advocating for the 2nd amendment. He stated, "Can anyone say how it does not violate the 2nd amendment? You have a right to carry a gun; thinking you "might" do something is totalitarian if left unchecked."

[chaos]

That point might make some sense, except I opined that it must be in breach of the 2nd amendment.

I will go on a limb and say i know the political issues in your country more than you do. I mean on a national level. I know your constitution, i could name the 50 states and most capitals, and I sure as fucking hell understand the concepts and arguments about all of those issues better than you.

You are a disgrace to your country. Boast about something the USA has and I will point to an immigrant. Point to a native American and I will say "Ira Hayes" and mass slaughter. You are just uneducated scum.

Pull your panties out of your vagina and pay attention to your own country's deterioration.

Doesn't mean he may not  have something useful to say, no matter where he is from.

But, really, aren't all our opinions useless and invalid? The average citizen really has no political power to change anything, thus rendering their opinions useless and valid. This is even sadder, considering we are American, and our opinions means jack shit.

ps - Lustral was advocating for the 2nd amendment. He stated, "Can anyone say how it does not violate the 2nd amendment? You have a right to carry a gun; thinking you "might" do something is totalitarian if left unchecked."

We can talk when you're done wiping his jizz off your face, it's disgusting.

[Rambone]

What kind?

Went with a Century Arms RAS-47. 100% American made and had good reviews, so I said what the hell. Already have a S&W 15 sport and always wanted an AK.

[chaos]

Went with a Century Arms RAS-47. 100% American made and had good reviews, so I said what the hell. Already have a S&W 15 sport and always wanted an AK.

How's the riveting on that? Heard they were hit and miss on their quality.

[Lustral]

Doesn't mean he may not  have something useful to say, no matter where he is from.

But, really, aren't all our opinions useless and invalid? The average citizen really has no political power to change anything, thus rendering their opinions useless and valid. This is even sadder, considering we are American, and our opinions means jack shit.

ps - Lustral was advocating for the 2nd amendment. He stated, "Can anyone say how it does not violate the 2nd amendment? You have a right to carry a gun; thinking you "might" do something is totalitarian if left unchecked."

By the way, I don't fully advocate the 2nd amendment (personally), but I have met and discussed the issue, as well as torture (the example used was thumb locks or something) with Justice Scalia (yes, he of the Supreme Court who believes the Constitution means what it says and is not open to interpretation/ not a living document). I was stating that I think that law violates the 2nd amendment.

It also seems intrusive and open to abuse. Someone (a family member or enemy) could suggest you are a danger and you lose your rights?!? That is fucked. Our Mental Health Act (2001 s21 iirc) allows for such ridiculous infringement of personal rights.

[Lustral]

Pull your panties out of your vagina and pay attention to your own country's deterioration.



We can talk when you're done wiping his jizz off your face, it's disgusting.

Ireland's economy is growing at over 7% GDP, tourism from USA is up by about 20% or so (yes, your beloved nation) and we have the highest economic growth rate in OECD along with Norway. We are doing OK thanks.

How about you? You legalised gay marriage after us, but without a vote - a few people in a room decided it, not the populace. Nice to have a democracy isn't it.

[chaos]

Ireland's economy is growing at over 7% GDP, tourism from USA is up by about 20% or so (yes, your beloved nation) and we have the highest economic growth rate in OECD along with Norway. We are doing OK thanks.

How about you? You legalised gay marriage after us, but without a vote - a few people in a room decided it, not the populace. Nice to have a democracy isn't it.

Would love to come to Ireland, have a pint and make sweet love to your bumhole.


































Without your consent of course.

[Lustral]

Would love to come to Ireland, have a pint and make sweet love to your bumhole.


































Without your consent of course.

I voted No in that referendum (marriage is a religious institution, just expand civil partnership and related laws on inheritance etc instead) but I accepted the 65% Yes vote. At least I had a say.

Back on point - my stance: this law apparently breaches 2nd amendment (imo), it also is open to abuse and, even if a judge decides, they are already tied up with enough shit - just delegate the initial judgment to some independent body or, better, scrap the law. You cannot trust one person to say "he should not have x" without proof and then deprive a person of x. It happens with kids, now with guns. I'd fucking fight this to the death (well, argue vehemently) because it means someone who you may not meet or argue before chooses your entitlement to a constitutional right. How fucked is that?

[chaos]

I voted No in that referendum (marriage is a religious institution, just expand civil partnership and related laws on inheritance etc instead) but I accepted the 65% Yes vote. At least I had a say.

Back on point - my stance: this law apparently breaches 2nd amendment (imo), it also is open to abuse and, even if a judge decides, they are already tied up with enough shit - just delegate the initial judgment to some independent body or, better, scrap the law. You cannot trust one person to say "he should not have x" without proof and then deprive a person of x. It happens with kids, now with guns. I'd fucking fight this to the death (well, argue vehemently) because it means someone who you may not meet or argue before chooses your entitlement to a constitutional right. How fucked is that?

Quite obvious it breeches the 2nd, first time this "law" is attempted the lawsuits will fly.
Was fun watching you flip out though.

[SF1900]

I voted No in that referendum (marriage is a religious institution, just expand civil partnership and related laws on inheritance etc instead) but I accepted the 65% Yes vote. At least I had a say.

Back on point - my stance: this law apparently breaches 2nd amendment (imo), it also is open to abuse and, even if a judge decides, they are already tied up with enough shit - just delegate the initial judgment to some independent body or, better, scrap the law. You cannot trust one person to say "he should not have x" without proof and then deprive a person of x. It happens with kids, now with guns. I'd fucking fight this to the death (well, argue vehemently) because it means someone who you may not meet or argue before chooses your entitlement to a constitutional right. How fucked is that?

Most Americans won't fight anything. They will just bitch on social media.