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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2015, 07:26:03 PM »
Quite obvious it breeches the 2nd, first time this "law" is attempted the lawsuits will fly.
Was fun watching you flip out though.;D

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2015, 07:26:58 PM »
Most Americans won't fight anything. They will just bitch on social media.  :D :D

you can always count on americanos do to the right thing after they have tried everything else.

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2015, 07:27:23 PM »
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Did you finally pull your head out of his lap long enough to see what was going on? :D
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2015, 07:28:04 PM »
you can always count on americanos do to the right thing after they have tried everything else.

Tried everything else? You mean complain on social media, then go play on their iphones?
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2015, 07:28:59 PM »
Did you finally pull your head out of his lap long enough to see what was going on? :D

Nope, still there.
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2015, 07:30:43 PM »
Nope, still there.
He voted against that, better move along and find a more gay friendly poster. Is Goodrum still single?
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2015, 07:31:26 PM »
Tried everything else? You mean complain on social media, then go play on their iphones?

pretty much

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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2015, 07:32:30 PM »
He voted against that, better move along and find a more gay friendly poster. Is Goodrum still single?

I don't  know. He may be dating QV again.
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2015, 07:34:10 PM »
Quite obvious it breeches the 2nd, first time this "law" is attempted the lawsuits will fly.
Was fun watching you flip out though. ;D

Im off to bed (fuck it is 3.32am here) but I finally think I got my point across.

I like the odd chance to blow off steam sorry I had to be so vitriolic.

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2015, 07:42:50 PM »
Im off to bed (fuck it is 3.32am here) but I finally think I got my point across.

I like the odd chance to blow off steam sorry I had to be so vitriolic.
Funny name for a guy, "Steam"....huh, must be an Irish thing.
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2015, 07:45:01 PM »
hey lustral do you like association football?

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2015, 10:23:00 PM »
States Rights cannot trump Federal Law.  This seems to violate the Second Amendment.

But then how is marijuana legal in some states (both medicinal and recreational) yet federally it is still considered a controlled substance?


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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2015, 10:42:39 PM »
Interesting law.

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2015, 02:36:39 AM »
How's the riveting on that? Heard they were hit and miss on their quality.
Yeah, I watched a bunch of videos from a few channels on YouTube where they tested it and the reviews were pretty good, but now I see more hit or miss reviews on various message boards. I don't know enough about guns yet to judge the quality of it, but the gun nut behind the counter took it apart and said it was nice. I've been buying my guns off Bud's and so far so good.

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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2015, 07:31:09 AM »
Yeah, I watched a bunch of videos from a few channels on YouTube where they tested it and the reviews were pretty good, but now I see more hit or miss reviews on various message boards. I don't know enough about guns yet to judge the quality of it, but the gun nut behind the counter took it apart and said it was nice. I've been buying my guns off Bud's and so far so good.

It's a cheap AK.  As long as they got the headspacing correct, and the bolt rails straight, you should be good to go.  Do the sights line up with the rest of the gun, or are they canted?

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2015, 08:51:11 AM »
Whole thing is aimed to cause violent incidents to happen.  That's the real story.

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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2015, 08:55:38 AM »
Whole thing is aimed to cause violent incidents to happen.  That's the real story.

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2015, 09:12:47 AM »


lmfao...people coming to take someone's shit, and the subject will be singing 'oh happy day'

Please.

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2015, 09:23:24 AM »
It's the result of evil minds pulling in stupid minds to create a clusterfuck.  That's what it is.

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2015, 09:24:10 AM »
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/California-Gun-Law-Seize-Guns-Without/2015/12/30/id/707588/

Effective January 1 police in California will be able to confiscate an individual’s guns for 21 days if a judge determines that the owner of the guns poses a threat to society. This will be known as a Gun Violence Restraining Order, or a GVRO

A new California gun control law takes effect next week that will allow police, without prior warning to a gun owner, seize their weapons if a judge decides there's a potential for violence.

The law was prompted by a 2014 mass shooting near the University of California, Santa Barbara, in which officers beforehand visited shooter Elliot Rodger's home after his parents raised alarms about his mental health — yet concluded he wasn't a risk and didn't search the apartment where he'd stashed guns, ammo and knives.

Under the new legislation, families can obtain a "gun violence restraining order," the Washington Times reports.

"The law gives us a vehicle to cause the person to surrender their weapons, to have a time out, if you will," Los Angeles Police Department Assistant Chief
Michael Moore tells public radio affiliate SCPR."

"It's a short duration and it allows for due process. It's an opportunity for mental health professionals to provide an analysis of a person's mental state."

California law already bans people from possessing guns if they've committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed to a mental health facility. Police may also seize guns if a licensed therapist notifies them an individual is a risk to their own safety or the safety of others, SCPR reports.

But Second Amendment advocates say the law could put lawful gun owners at risk.

"We don't need another law to solve this problem," Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, tells The Associated Press. "We think this just misses the mark and may create a situation where law-abiding gun owners are put in jeopardy."










OK  a couple of scenarios with this. I'm not exactly sure how this is going to work. So lets say I think my neighbor is crazy and I go to the proper authority to stake my assumption. Obviously I need some kind of proof to "prove" that they need to look into this guy. The police go to his house and talk to him. Normally they won't even go but lets assume that they do. Hey bud we heard from an anonymous source that your nuts. Nope officer I'm as sane as the day is long. OK sorry to bother you.

 Now, in Cally this scenario will be different once this law comes into affect. Same thing as above but a little different. Sir we got an anonymous call the you are nuts, do you presently own a gun? (They prob already know this). Yes I do. OK so after a few questions that probably pisses this guy off let's say they end up leaving. Now this is where it really gets bad. It's going to be left up to the officers to interpret whether this guy is sane or not. Let's say they get pissed at his attitude and they go to a judge.

Hey judge we questioned this guy about him being sane and he owns a gun. He got real upset and agitated at us. BINGO!!!!!! OK here is a warrant to confiscate his gun. I will also issue a mandatory mental health exam. BINGO AGAIN!!!!! Now once this guy is forced to go he will not be able to ever own his gun again since the law already states he can't if he was ever involuntarily examined by health officials. 

This "law" is going to make it easy to get a warrant for gun confiscation and a mandatory mental health exam. There are other issues too but doesn't matter since it's already bad enough.

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« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2015, 09:24:39 AM »

OK  a couple of scenarios with this. I'm not exactly sure how this is going to work. So lets say I think my neighbor is crazy and I go to the proper authority to stake my assumption. Obviously I need some kind of proof to "prove" that they need to look into this guy. The police go to his house and talk to him. Normally they won't even go but lets assume that they do. Hey bud we heard from an anonymous source that your nuts. Nope officer I'm as sane as the day is long. OK sorry to bother you.

 Now, in Cally this scenario will be different once this law comes into affect. Same thing as above but a little different. Sir we got an anonymous call the you are nuts, do you presently own a gun? (They prob already know this). Yes I do. OK so after a few questions that probably pisses this guy off let's say they end up leaving. Now this is where it really gets bad. It's going to be left up to the officers to interpret whether this guy is sane or not. Let's say they get pissed at his attitude and they go to a judge.

Hey judge we questioned this guy about him being sane and he owns a gun. He got real upset and agitated at us. BINGO!!!!!! OK here is a warrant to confiscate his gun. I will also issue a mandatory mental health exam. BINGO AGAIN!!!!! Now once this guy is forced to go he will not be able to ever own his gun again since the law already states he can't if he was ever involuntarily examined by health officials.  

This "law" is going to make it easy to get a warrant for gun confiscation and a mandatory mental health exam. There are other issues too but doesn't matter since it's already bad enough.

Under the new legislation, families can obtain a "gun violence restraining order," the Washington Times reports

I am not sure if it has to be a family member to call it in. Can any random person just say, "Person X" is crazy, please try and take away their guns?"

I don't know what the law says about others (Friends, neighbors) reporting the person.
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2015, 09:27:41 AM »
Under the new legislation, families can obtain a "gun violence restraining order," the Washington Times reports

I am not sure if it has to be a family member to call it in. Can any random person just say, "Person X" is crazy, please try and take away their guns?"

I don't know what the law says about others (Friends, neighbors) reporting the person.

I seriously doubt it. What if the guy has no family? Does that mean he can't be crazy enough not to own a gun?

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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2015, 09:27:44 AM »
THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

Repubs scream they don't respect obama or the fed govt... this is entirely a states matter.  if the majority don't like it, they vote out the libs that delivered it.

No its not, I guess it hard for the constitutionally illiterate understand
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2015, 09:31:20 AM »
But then how is marijuana legal in some states (both medicinal and recreational) yet federally it is still considered a controlled substance?



Back to the 10th Amendment, marijuana is not "constitutional right", but states stopped asserting their rights in about 1865
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Re: CA Law Allowing Police to Seize Guns Without Notice for Potential Violence
« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2015, 09:33:22 AM »
This thread, and new Cali law is a great reminder why gun registration should never be allowed.