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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2016, 07:31:24 PM »
That's who the left IS at this point in time.



HAHAHA!!!!..this made me laugh out loud!!!..... :D..good job

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2016, 07:35:16 PM »
That would take actual leadership skills

I guess the Bushes and Clinton could have gone as well...why should Obama go??????????????????

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2016, 08:45:50 PM »
coach posted that only 1.4% of guns used in crimes are purchased using the loophole.

Still a lotta crime.  If ONE felon can't buy a gun... then it has helped some.

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2016, 08:55:40 PM »
HAHAHA!!!!..this made me laugh out loud!!!..... :D..good job

You don't agree?

You agree that rich white people are on the right.

You agree that poor white people are on the right.

So that leaves black people on the left. Latinos on the left and middle class white people. How am I incorrect?

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2016, 04:06:30 AM »
I introduced the topic by warning headhunter that you are a 9/11 Troofer.  There is really nothing to discuss.  You devalue yourself when you buy into that foolishness.  Nobody is going to take you seriously, except for fellow 911 Troofers. 


And no one takes you seriously unless they are also under educated republican gunc*ck lovers.

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2016, 06:17:12 AM »
I guess the Bushes and Clinton could have gone as well...why should Obama go??????????????????


What a stupid cop out lol.  

Windrow Wilson never did either so why should Obama?

I guess in your mind OB is no better than Bush or Clinton

  

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2016, 07:24:40 AM »
Just out of curiosity, are you equally protective of other rights guaranteed by the Constitution?



Of course....might hate watching shitbag libs spout all kinds of bullshit but its protected so have at it.....
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2016, 07:30:26 AM »
people making a living re-selling guns online and classified with no background check - STOPPED
crazy people with medical issues getting gun by sidestepping background check - STOPPED

Um, THIS is what yall were bitching about?  THIS?   

Wow, it was overblown once again, wasn't it?  If only someone could have predicted this would happen.  Again.


Read the law as put forth..not our bullshit back and forth.  Uncle Sam is going to provide more money for mental health issues...HOWEVER...if say your son or daughter is batshit crazy or has been on ridlin because of some over reaction from a teacher, the care giver now has a duty to report that to the feds. The feds can now seize your fire arms because they are in danger of being used by your kid. Plus what exactly is the check on why I went to mental health.....the military goes to mental health for marriage related issues.....you think I'm gonna do that now and risk my guns getting seized. hell no..I'll just go to Home depot and get a shovel and some lye....or shit i just typed that...fuck...damm ATF will be at my door.
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2016, 08:25:06 AM »
Do any of you trust the government that much for them to determine .....that you are competant to own a firearm. Especially having some beaurcrat determine what exactly a doc is saying and thus making a determination on their own whether you get to exercise your 2nd amendment rights?
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2016, 08:27:44 AM »
Do any of you trust the government that much for them to determine .....that you are competant to own a firearm. Especially having some beaurcrat determine what exactly a doc is saying and thus making a determination on their own whether you get to exercise your 2nd amendment rights?

No, and we already know that the EO is unconstitutional.
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2016, 08:29:33 AM »
But the Courts Will Stop It!, you can almost hear some litigious members of Congress say. By then the damage is already done: the pain is the process; the pain is the notice letters from the Justice Department to 2,000 occasional gun sellers, 1,000 of them who judge it not worth the risk to continue. The pain is the warrants and subpoenas to obtain the names of people who purchased booths at gun shows across the nation. The pain is the depletion of savings accounts to mount a criminal defense in the face of unlimited federal resources to press the ideological agenda.

This is how the progressive left operates when in power. It does battle on the legal margins and engages in courageous ideological incrementalism so saturated with legalese that most Americans can't understand the fight.


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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2016, 08:44:35 AM »
Another aspect of the shitbags' gun grabbing plan....Gun trusts.

None of this means much to libs. They don't shoot or collect as much as repubs or hunters or whatever. They just don't so it doesn't matter. They think that this is an isolated thing...doesn't matter that ol Obama is undermining the Constitution...they hate guns so let the ATF do its worst. But...they love drugs and all that so the DEA is the enemy. 

A Trust is a legal entity which the ATF has historically allowed to purchase firearms. Once the Trust has possession of the firearm(s) the principals of that trust are able to legally use them. When the Trust owner dies, the firearms pass seamlessly to family (or whom ever is named in the Trust) without requiring them to go through the time consuming process of transferring everything on Form 5’s to the new owner(s). - NFA items currently purchased take as much as 9 months to process through the ATF.

The Obama Administration wants to change the regulations so that Trust owners are required get photo’s, fingerprints and submit to a background check when acquiring a NFA item in the Trusts name. They also plan to impose the same changes on corporations which have historically been treated similarly to Trusts under the NFA. -

This regulation change is certain to increase the already absurd wait times for getting approval on new form submissions. Currently you can expect to wait 8-9 months for your paperwork to be approved. Should this regulation change be imposed, we can expect wait times to increase to a year or more. Since NFA firearms are rarely used in crimes, what is the point of this regulation change? The ATF and the Obama Administration can’t claim it will save lives or reduce crime because NFA firearms aren’t used in crime. It appears to be a spiteful measure intended to stick a big fat government thumb in the eye of American gun owners -
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2016, 08:47:03 AM »
Part of the reason this legislation has gained traction is because of the Christopher Dorner rampage in California- the fired police officer who shot a number of fellow officers with weapons equipped with suppressors supposedly obtained through a Trust. Never let it be said that Obama or Eric Holder let a tragedy go to waste. It’s the same political cards they’ve played with Sandy Hook.

Everytime somebody does something with a gun, Obama cums in his pants.
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2016, 09:15:20 AM »
Do any of you trust the government that much for them to determine .....that you are competant to own a firearm. Especially having some beaurcrat determine what exactly a doc is saying and thus making a determination on their own whether you get to exercise your 2nd amendment rights?


The Devil will be in the details here.  so far, from what i read that you posted, most of this is unnecessary and not impacting the real problems.  Even CNN seemed to say  this morning that this is political BS about OB's legacy.


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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2016, 09:29:45 AM »
The Five Most Outrageous Facts About Obama’s Executive Gun Control

6797310043_22436a01dc_bO fficial White House Photo / Pete Souza
by AWR HAWKINS
5 Jan 2016

A January 4 White House executive order fact sheet previews the executive gun controls Obama will announce Tuesday.

The five most offensive aspects of those controls:

1. The main policy would not have stopped any recent mass shootings.

The controls expand background checks to cover more private sellers, although private sellers are not the source of guns used in mass shootings and high-profile shootings–the very kinds of incidents Obama claims he wants to reduce.

Every mass shooter and high profile shooter in recent memory–with the exception of those who stole their guns–bought their guns  via background checks. For this reason, even the New York Daily News described Obama’s pending background check expansion as “meaningless,” saying, “the last 15 mass killers all passed… background checks” to acquire firearms.

2. 225 years of precedent, destroyed–without any legislative due process.

The expansion of background checks is an affront to freedom in general, because it brings private sellers under the purview of the government regardless of whether those sellers sell one gun a year or 100. Americans have been selling guns privately since 1791–that’s 225 years–and now, with a swipe of his pen, Obama is saying a portion of those sales must be handled federally and conducted via background checks.

This is a not-so-subtle slide toward universal background checks–the kind of background checks they have in California and France–and it will eventually require a gun registry database in order to be enforceable–like the registry they have in France and the one they are building in California.

3. You can be denied a gun for purely financial reasons or if you are on Social Security.

The attempt to bar certain Social Security beneficiaries from owning or buying guns because they are unable to manage their own finances.

On July 18 Breitbart News reported on Obama’s push to ban gun-possession for Social Security beneficiaries who are believed incapable of handling their own finances. On that same day the Los Angeles Times reported that a ban was being put together “outside of public view,” but the details that were known revealed the ban would cover those who are unable to manage their own affairs for a multitude of reasons–from “subnormal intelligence or mental illness” to “incompetency,” an unspecified “condition,” or “disease.”

This ban has been brought under the auspices of Obama’s executive gun control.

4. It adds more burdens to gun dealers who are already following the law.

Obama is also using executive gun control to place even more reporting requirements–read, regulations–on the backs of Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), who are federally recognized firearms dealers. Contrary to mainstream media reports and the talking points of gun control groups, FFLs are already highly regulated and monitored by the ATF. Obama’s executive action adds one more hoop through which FFLs must jump.

5. Tax dollars for “smart guns” that nobody wants.

Obama’s executive action instructs the “Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security” to sponsor research into the “smart gun” technology and explore ways to further its use. This means using tax-payer money to pay for something the private sector has no interest in funding.

Broad interest in “smart guns” is absent because they have yet to be demonstrated trustworthy. Such guns are either fitted with biometric readers–through which they are activated by the palm or finger print or their owners–or they are paired with a bracelet or watch that emits a radio signal which activates the gun when in close proximity with it.

To date, the biometric readers raise concerns that they will fail to read the correct palm or finger print if that palm or finger is caked with blood. This means the gun is useless for self-defense. As for “smart guns” paired with watches or bracelets, even if these guns worked the result would be that thieves would simply steal the watch or bracelet along with the gun, therefore outsmarting those who designed the gun for a new level of safety.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/05/five-outrageous-facts-obamas-executive-gun-control/

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2016, 09:31:32 AM »
Obama announces gun control actions, expands background checks
Published January 05, 2016
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President Obama formally announced plans Tuesday to expand background checks and make other changes to America’s gun rules via executive action, bypassing Congress and fueling an election-year fight with Republicans.

“Everybody should have to abide by the same rules,” Obama said.

The president, speaking at the White House, said background checks "make a difference" and will be expanded so that they can cover purchases online, at gun shows and in other venues.

“Anybody in the business of selling firearms must get a license and conduct background checks or be subject to criminal prosecutions,” he said. Obama was flanked by victims of gun violence and introduced by Mark Barden, whose son was killed in the Sandy Hook mass shooting.

At the heart of Obama's plan is a more sweeping definition of gun dealers that the administration hopes will expand the number of gun sales subject to background checks. At gun shows, websites and flea markets, sellers often skirt that requirement by declining to register as licensed dealers, but officials said the new federal guidance clarifies that it applies to anyone "in the business" of selling firearms.

The changes were first detailed by the White House overnight, and mark a renewed bid by the president to enact gun control measures with or without Congress.

They don’t go as far as proposed background check legislation – which has failed to advance on Capitol Hill – but nevertheless have prompted allegations of executive overreach.

"No matter what President Obama says, his word does not trump the Second Amendment. We will conduct vigilant oversight,” House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said, adding that the actions “will no doubt be challenged in the courts.”

Obama, blasting the gun lobby and appearing to choke up as he discussed gun violence victims, rejected claims that he is infringing on the Second Amendment, citing other restrictions that can constitutionally apply to freedom of speech and other rights.

But Republicans said the changes would only hurt law-abiding Americans.

“He knows full well that the law already says that people who make their living selling firearms must be licensed, regardless of venue. Still, rather than focus on criminals and terrorists, he goes after the most law-abiding of citizens,” Ryan said in a statement.

“This executive order is just one more way to make it harder for law-abiding people to buy weapons or to be able to protect their families,” Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a GOP presidential candidate, told Fox News.

The guidance, at its heart, aims to achieve a long-time administration goal of at least narrowing the so-called gun show loophole.

Under current law, only federally licensed gun dealers must conduct background checks on buyers, but many who sell guns at flea markets, on websites or in other informal settings don't register as dealers. The ATF has issued updated guidance that says the government can consider someone a gun dealer regardless of where the guns are sold.

The administration also said ATF is finalizing a rule to require checks for people buying certain weapons through a trust, corporation or other “legal entity.”

In an attempt to prevent gun purchases from falling through the cracks, the FBI will hire 230 more examiners to process background checks, the White House said.

In advance of the announcement, the president asserted he has the “legal authority” to act here. The president finalized the plan after meeting Monday with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey and other top officials.

“The recommendations that are being made by my team here are ones that are entirely consistent with the Second Amendment,” Obama said Monday, claiming they could “potentially save lives.”

The revived push to tighten America’s gun laws via executive action, however, has resulted in a backlash on Capitol Hill and the campaign trail. 

Republicans made clear they would fight the administration and accused the president of overstepping.

Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, who chairs a key appropriations panel, warned Lynch on Monday that he would “use every tool at my disposal to immediately restrict” DOJ funding if the department proceeds with “new restrictions on our Constitutional rights.”

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump vowed to reverse any such actions if he’s elected.

"I will veto that. I will un-sign that so fast," Trump said Saturday at a campaign rally in Biloxi, Miss.

While Obama took heat from Republicans, supporters of stronger action on gun control applauded the president’s new push.

"We definitely think there are things he can do," said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which advocates for expanding background checks. Gross says his recent conversations with White House aides have left him hopeful.

"It's very clear that the White House is feeling emboldened," he said.

On Thursday, Obama will take his argument to prime time, participating in a town hall discussion of gun violence on CNN. He's slated to make his case for changes in his State of the Union address on Jan. 12.

The high-profile rollout reflects a White House continuing to look for ways to wrap up unfinished business despite an uncooperative Congress.

After all but ignoring the issue in his first term, Obama changed course after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in December 2012. Nevertheless, the president failed to push a package of gun measures through Congress, including one expanding background checks.

At the same time, Obama took nearly two dozen executive actions to tighten gun laws, but left a major expansion of background checks out of the mix.

But after the shooting at a community college in Roseburg, Ore. in October, Obama ordered his staff to redouble the effort to look for ways to work around Congress.

The background check provision rests in the murky realm of agency "guidelines," which carry less weight than formally issued federal regulations and can easily be rescinded. Lynch said the administration chose to clarify guidelines because it allowed the policies to be implemented immediately. Left unsaid was the fact that developing regulations would have dragged out likely until Obama's presidency ends and would have generated more opportunities for Republicans to intervene.

The new guidance still exempts collectors and gun hobbyists, and the exact definition of who must register as a dealer and conduct background checks remains exceedingly vague.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/05/obama-announces-gun-control-actions-expands-background-checks.html?intcmp=hpbt1

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2016, 09:35:40 AM »
about time!
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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2016, 09:43:57 AM »
"I believe in the Second Amendment.  It's there written on the paper."  Then he reminded people he is a Constitutional law professor.  Seriously?   

Shameful.  Embarrassing. 

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2016, 09:56:10 AM »
You don't agree?

You agree that rich white people are on the right.

You agree that poor white people are on the right.

So that leaves black people on the left. Latinos on the left and middle class white people. How am I incorrect?

Good observation

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2016, 10:07:05 AM »
I agree with you that 9/11 truthers are nuts ( even though you are very selective about who you call out) but you also devalue yourself as well, oh great pontificator, when you keep on saying Obama is ruling by decree and is an emperor when I already proved in a previous thread that Obama has used his executive action powers WAY less than most presidents and even less than a lot of Republican presidents..yet you continue to fool yourself and persist with this line of argument...


 

You didn't prove anything.  I have never claimed the sheer number of executive orders means anything.  It's the substance of those orders that matter.

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2016, 10:08:22 AM »

And no one takes you seriously unless they are also under educated republican gunc*ck lovers.

Well I don't take myself seriously, so that isn't saying much.   :)

Have you solved the mystery of what happened to all those passengers on the plane that didn't actually crash into the Pentagon?  Alien abduction? 

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2016, 10:36:06 AM »
Well I don't take myself seriously, so that isn't saying much.   :)

Have you solved the mystery of what happened to all those passengers on the plane that didn't actually crash into the Pentagon?  Alien abduction?  

Here is who was in on it according to sheeple.com

-  The people who process the flight plans.
-  The Air Traffic controllers who noticed the transponder went off and where it went off at
-  The primary radar operators who saw and tracked unidentified radar contacts.  (during 9/11, when they flew the plane to where ever they flew it to, and when they flew the plane to where ever they disposed of it)  
-  The fake pilots who flew the plane to where they disposed of it
-  The people that disposed of the real pilots
-  The people at the airport who helped the people who disposed of the real pilots
-  The flight attendants who may have been suspicious of last minute changes in a flight crew
-  The real flight attendants who were supposed to be on the plane
-  The people at the airline who schedule who  is supposed to be on the plane, flight crew attendants etc.
-  The people at the location where they took the plane
-  The people who killed the passengers
-  The people who help dispose of the plane
-  The people in other countries that have satellite tracking capabilities
-  The people in our country who operate satellite tracking
-  The people in the government who planned and organize this
-  The people who commanded the plan.
If the plane was taking over remotely:
-  The mechanics who were sent home that day
-  The people who schedule the mechanics
-  the people who made and delivered the remote control devices
-  The people who installed the remote control devices
-  The people who controlled the plane.
-  anyone who had any contact to where the plane was when they installed the devices


This proves that SPECTER is REAL!!

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2016, 01:32:33 PM »
Here is who was in on it according to sheeple.com

-  The people who process the flight plans.
-  The Air Traffic controllers who noticed the transponder went off and where it went off at
-  The primary radar operators who saw and tracked unidentified radar contacts.  (during 9/11, when they flew the plane to where ever they flew it to, and when they flew the plane to where ever they disposed of it)  
-  The fake pilots who flew the plane to where they disposed of it
-  The people that disposed of the real pilots
-  The people at the airport who helped the people who disposed of the real pilots
-  The flight attendants who may have been suspicious of last minute changes in a flight crew
-  The real flight attendants who were supposed to be on the plane
-  The people at the airline who schedule who  is supposed to be on the plane, flight crew attendants etc.
-  The people at the location where they took the plane
-  The people who killed the passengers
-  The people who help dispose of the plane
-  The people in other countries that have satellite tracking capabilities
-  The people in our country who operate satellite tracking
-  The people in the government who planned and organize this
-  The people who commanded the plan.
If the plane was taking over remotely:
-  The mechanics who were sent home that day
-  The people who schedule the mechanics
-  the people who made and delivered the remote control devices
-  The people who installed the remote control devices
-  The people who controlled the plane.
-  anyone who had any contact to where the plane was when they installed the devices


This proves that SPECTER is REAL!!

lol   A bunch of tinfoil hat dummies. 

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2016, 02:07:02 PM »
it boggles the mind how this scumbag goes up there and just repeats lies and misinformation over and over again.

Obama is the greatest con man in American history.

none of these proposals will do anything to affect anything, other than causing some pains in the asses of some honest citizens, but it just goes to show how the Left will chip away at the 2nd ANY WAY THEY CAN, that nothing is too small, nothing too trivial, in their quest to 'get rid of guns' .

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Re: Obama to announce new executive action on guns
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2016, 03:07:54 PM »
The Volokh Conspiracy's Jonathan Adler says Obama's new gun control measures are legally meaningless -- just restatements of the current law. And if they were more than that, they'd be unconstitutional.

He notes that today's actions were not executive orders, but executive actions, specifically "guidances" on current rules, not new rule-makings. The rule-making would be a lengthy process (requiring public notice, and going through the bureacracy, I suppose) which Adler doubts Obama could even finish before his term was up.

So the executive action does not disturb current law; it simply either restates it or clarifies it.

Adler thinks two possible reasons for doing this are to "chill" what he calls "marginal" gun sales (sales by people who are in a nether real between "dealer" and "hobbyist," signalling maybe to them they should err on the side of caution) and as a strictly political show that he's "doing something" for his base.
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