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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2018, 08:03:29 AM »
And I think it's a good result.

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2018, 09:25:28 AM »
it's true, carbs are bad for you, while fats are good for you

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 09:47:50 AM »
Looks great on paper, but in the real world this diet does not work for bodybuilders, especially natties.

I followed this diet to a T for 6 months in my early 30's.  I did it twice because I thought I did something wrong the first time.  

Results:  
Less sub-Q water and some fat loss, but I was flat as pancake most days and gradually got weaker in the gym.  Doesn't matter how much I ate and rested.  Intense leg training is practically impossible on low/no carbs.  Some recommend carb up days, but this creates a yo-yo effect on insulin levels and made me feel lethargic.  Being young and taking some stims made it more tolerable.  

Carbs are definitely necessary for focus, pumps and energy levels.  Don't believe the hype.

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2018, 10:32:55 AM »
stop bumping old threads moron...

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2018, 03:27:16 PM »
I’ve been carb free for a few weeks now and it’s great.feel so much better.Definitely tightening up and becoming More vascular.Just started adding veggies in as before it was all egg whites,meat,fish and poultry.So easy to stick with it as well.i used to eat at least 500 g of carbs a day and usually around 1000 a day.Ive lost a good 15 lbs.

So imo carbs suck.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2018, 03:38:39 PM »
Protein and Fats build muscle, carbs "spare" muscle.
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2018, 09:56:53 PM »
Protein and Fats build muscle, carbs "spare" muscle.

training builds muscle...

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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2018, 10:24:58 PM »
training builds muscle...

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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2018, 11:03:52 PM »
My background is cycling (track) so i'll chime in on that Durian rider and others. They were both drug addicts for starters. Durian doesn't race because at that level the races are tested...... read the comments on their videos and you will hear tales of diarrhea, digestion issues, skin issues, weight gain.  I followed DR for a while for his cycling stuff but i stopped because he is a nut. Meth? Ice? Dunno but the dude has several people who have filmed him going beserk..... it's not normal, there is something there.

Cyclists struggle with weight. It makes you fucking hungry. They'll gain 10kg+ out of racing. the more cycling you do, the harder it is to not get fat.

The guys i know racing Cat 1-2 joke about having an eating disorder. They starve to keep the weight down. They'll eat clean carb food sure, but are fucking starving on the inside. Pros who look like skeletons have been open about having issues controlling their weight on 20hrs/wk training schedules.

When doing 10hrs/wk training i struggled to hold weight due to hunger. On 20hrs/wk hunger was out of control and weight flew up even on 250/wk test.


Dr Fung treats the morbidly obese who has clips on youtube. After testing on fatties the data shows:
*Not eating anything doesn't hurt metabolism and burns fat. Water fasting. He doesn't get people stage ready......... so just focus on obese people.
*Eating carbs in a deficit lowers metabolic rate and over a period will result in a binge then weight gain.
*Eating ketogenic is next best to fasting and won't hurt metabolism. You want to do 500-1000 calorie Keotgenic days, high fat.

Any protein/muscle breakdown apparently is done by taking the BAD muscle first. Then when you eat the body rebuilds the bad area better than before (apparently).

It's a very good watch.




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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2018, 11:05:26 PM »
He talk about what they do on the Biggest Loser for most of the clip for those who are interested. He got the data from their contestants.

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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2018, 12:20:18 AM »
My background is cycling (track) so i'll chime in on that Durian rider and others. They were both drug addicts for starters. Durian doesn't race because at that level the races are tested...... read the comments on their videos and you will hear tales of diarrhea, digestion issues, skin issues, weight gain.  I followed DR for a while for his cycling stuff but i stopped because he is a nut. Meth? Ice? Dunno but the dude has several people who have filmed him going beserk..... it's not normal, there is something there.

The guys i know racing Cat 1-2 joke about having an eating disorder. They starve to keep the weight down. They'll eat clean carb food sure, but are fucking starving on the inside. Pros who look like skeletons have been open about having issues controlling their weight on 20hrs/wk training schedules.

When doing 10hrs/wk training i struggled to hold weight due to hunger. On 20hrs/wk hunger was out of control and weight flew up even on 250/wk test.Cyclists struggle with weight. It makes you fucking hungry. They'll gain 10kg+ out of racing. the more cycling you do, the harder it is to not get fat.




Dr Fung treats the morbidly obese who has clips on youtube. After testing on fatties the data shows:
*Not eating anything doesn't hurt metabolism and burns fat. Water fasting. He doesn't get people stage ready......... so just focus on obese people.
*Eating carbs in a deficit lowers metabolic rate and over a period will result in a binge then weight gain.
*Eating ketogenic is next best to fasting and won't hurt metabolism. You want to do 500-1000 calorie Keotgenic days, high fat.

Any protein/muscle breakdown apparently is done by taking the BAD muscle first. Then when you eat the body rebuilds the bad area better than before (apparently).

It's a very good watch.





let me get this right, the more cycling they do the fatter they get????

I hope that's not what you are trying to say...


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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2018, 03:55:56 AM »
Here's my take. Maybe bro science but this is empirical knowledge. Sometimes experience is the best teacher. Something is going on with aerobic type exercise that is more than accounted for with the calories burnt during the session. Call it an after burn. Anyone that has done a seriously hard 45 minute run will be burning more calories for a 24 hour period. Call it metabolism but I call it the body adapting to the stress placed upon it. To survive the body adapts by shedding body weight past the cardio session. Some would say volume training has a similar effect.

 Calories used that is calculated on many cardio machines is somewhat voodoo or down right fraud on many exercise machines. They all want to be known as the best. I've been on elliptical machines that show 600 calories used for what I thought was a fairly casual session. I've also been on treadmills where that is a near death experience to get to 600 calories. So that indicator is a tool and not to be believed judging cross platforms of cardio. Another point is when I was on track in college some of the most insane eaters were distance runners. Big difference between slugging miles and attacking miles so intensity plays a role.

 A pound of fat is 3500 calories. It seems like it would be a simple math project to calculate the amount of cardio you are doing to figure out when a pound is lost. It's not that simple. A pound of muscle by the way is 2500 calories by some sources. When I do hard cardio I always lose a lot more than what the calories used would account for. Some might say I am not accounting for dehydration but  by the mirror judging fat loss something more is going on. In the end in summary by this bro you can lose a lot more than what the current science concerning calories used accounts for. I think in time science will prove me right.

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2018, 07:21:43 AM »
I’ve been carb free for a few weeks now and it’s great.feel so much better.Definitely tightening up and becoming More vascular.Just started adding veggies in as before it was all egg whites,meat,fish and poultry.So easy to stick with it as well.i used to eat at least 500 g of carbs a day and usually around 1000 a day.Ive lost a good 15 lbs.

So imo carbs suck.

Natty?  If yes, you'll only get smaller and weaker and time goes by.  Trust me.

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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2018, 07:38:16 AM »
Natty?  If yes, you'll only get smaller and weaker and time goes by.  Trust me.
Smaller, maybe. But I never got weaker, but I did things correctly, very high sodium, creatine is essential, electrolytes are essential.
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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2018, 10:22:06 AM »
Smaller, maybe. But I never got weaker, but I did things correctly, very high sodium, creatine is essential, electrolytes are essential.

and we all know why, dont be like O'Hearn, just don't mention it....

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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2018, 10:53:08 AM »
Smaller, maybe. But I never got weaker, but I did things correctly, very high sodium, creatine is essential, electrolytes are essential.

So, you were natty when you did that?  How long did you go no-carb?... weeks or months?  Natty's who go no-carb for longer periods always get much smaller and weaker.  No way to change that unless drugs are used.  

Being young makes a huge difference.  I was still able to squat 315 for 20 reps after being no carbs for several months.  It was beyond difficult, but I still did it, probably because I was 28 years old.  It took a long time to recover from those leg workouts without carbs, I could barely function afterwards.  With carbs I was able to squat 405 for 20.


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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2018, 12:32:55 PM »
Natty?  If yes, you'll only get smaller and weaker and time goes by.  Trust me.

Yes natty.ive been getting stronger oddly enough and doing 4 workouts a week and cardio for an hour 5-6 days a week.Occasionally feel sluggish but most of the time feel incredible.

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2018, 12:43:17 PM »
Smaller, maybe. But I never got weaker, but I did things correctly, very high sodium, creatine is essential, electrolytes are essential.

yep

tons of NaCl are for awesome epic pumps and a vascular look while on keto.

also add in the Potassium too - thank you for the extra go 4 it - making great gains


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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2018, 01:03:49 PM »
i do miss the epic carb poops through

tons of sweet potatoes you can take some #2s that feel euphoric (i had to research it) and it is true   

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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2018, 01:06:29 PM »
i do miss the epic carb poops through

tons of sweet potatoes you can take some #2s that feel euphoric (i had to research it) and it is true   

Yeah I’m down to crapping twice a week now.I used to go multiple times a day.

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« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2018, 01:08:41 PM »
i do miss the epic carb poops through

tons of sweet potatoes you can take some #2s that feel euphoric (i had to research it) and it is true   

No carb poops don't stink nearly as bad either.  Better be taking a fiber supplement when on a no carb diet.

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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2018, 01:10:03 PM »
Yes natty.ive been getting stronger oddly enough and doing 4 workouts a week and cardio for an hour 5-6 days a week.Occasionally feel sluggish but most of the time feel incredible.

How long you been on no carb?

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« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2018, 01:11:42 PM »
not sure what youre discussing.

but i assume its about losing weight, getting lean etc so who cares if you lose strength?

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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2018, 01:13:44 PM »
let me get this right, the more cycling they do the fatter they get????

I hope that's not what you are trying to say...

Go do proper training on a bike for 5hrs/wk. Then go train 20hrs/wk. Then chuck in racing.

I guess this is a sport you havent been involved in before but yes, hunger goes crazy big the more riding you do (surprise, surprise). The risk becomes overeating to kill the hunger.

In today's world with today's diets people dont eat great to begin with. Chuck in a crazy high hunger level and it's a battle of the bulge. Thats what i struggled with badly and ultimately my weight crept up.

I live in the largest cycling population.in my country. Heaps of fat riders, crazy fit though. The main cafe in town packed with cyclidts ordering croissants, 4 coffees, muffins etc.

It's one of the reasons pro cycling is full of amphetamines and stimulants. to dull the hunger.

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« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2018, 01:17:41 PM »
How long you been on no carb?

Not to long,maybe 3 weeks.Everyone says I should have no energy and be weak but I have more energy than before and I’m training like crazy,is this normal in the beginning?