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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2016, 09:33:12 PM »
Condit won three rounds clearly bad decision.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #76 on: January 02, 2016, 09:33:18 PM »
I love Condit, all class. No Homo

Def class act and clearly won three rounds,

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #77 on: January 02, 2016, 09:34:26 PM »
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CONDIT LANDED MORE STRIKES THAN ROBBIE THREW WTF !!!!!!
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #78 on: January 02, 2016, 09:34:33 PM »
By points alone, I had Condit up 3 rounds to Lawler's 2.

But then, Lawler came alive in the 5th round and delivered the most damage, while displaying the most control and aggression.

Like Maxx said, sometimes the only way to take it is when you knock the champ out.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #79 on: January 02, 2016, 09:36:45 PM »
Fight the last few seconds...smart strategy. ::)
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #80 on: January 02, 2016, 09:38:21 PM »
How on earth does Lawler win 3 rounds in that fight when he only threw a few punches in the second and did nothing else until the 5th? Dana has his favorites and Lawler is his top dog in this division since Dana hates GSP, can't stand Hendricks boring ass wrestling, and Condit is fighting out his contract. Total BS.
I think it's a few factors. The judges will always give more consideration to the champ in a decision, although I thought the enormous discrepancy in strikes (favoring Condit) would nullify the champ's bias.

You also have to take into account the fighter's popularity. Lawler will always be the more popular fighter (most exciting) and the biggest draw between the two.  At the end of the day, the UFC is a business. They want the biggest draws, and the most exciting champions.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #81 on: January 02, 2016, 09:39:48 PM »
I think it's a few factors. The judges will always give more consideration to the champ in a decision, although I thought the enormous discrepancy in strikes (favoring Condit) would nullify the champ's bias.

You also have to take into account the fighter's popularity. Lawler will always be the more popular fighter (most exciting) and the biggest draw between the two.  At the end of the day, the UFC is a business. They want the biggest draws, and the most exciting champions.
Condit is exciting, I would watch him fight any day of the week.
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #82 on: January 02, 2016, 09:40:35 PM »
By points alone, I had Condit up 3 rounds to Lawler's 2.

But then, Lawler came alive in the 5th round and delivered the most damage, while displaying the most control and aggression.

Like Maxx said, sometimes the only way to take it is when you knock the champ out.

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Don't be a fucking retard with this 5th round BS. There are only 5 rounds. None of the judges scored the 5th round 10-8. So two of the judges gave Lawler a CLEAR Condit round. The announcers, Lawler's corner and everyone else had Lawler down 3-1. There was no other way to see it. How on earth did all three judges have MacDonald up 3-1 headed into the 5th round last time out and all three judges had this one 2-2. Fucking moron.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #83 on: January 02, 2016, 09:41:40 PM »
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #84 on: January 02, 2016, 09:43:16 PM »
Condit is exciting, I would watch him fight any day of the week.
Yes, but Lawler is the bigger draw. Lawler is also a punch-drunk zombie with knock out power.

Condit is a great tactician, but casual mma fans can find him boring at times.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #85 on: January 02, 2016, 09:44:41 PM »
Don't be a fucking retard with this 5th round BS. There are only 5 rounds. None of the judges scored the 5th round 10-8. So two of the judges gave Lawler a CLEAR Condit round. The announcers, Lawler's corner and everyone else had Lawler down 3-1. There was no other way to see it. How on earth did all three judges have MacDonald up 3-1 headed into the 5th round last time out and all three judges had this one 2-2. Fucking moron.
Watch your mouth. Onemorerep has done nothing for you to talk to him like that.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #86 on: January 02, 2016, 09:45:48 PM »
sherdog forums just crashed  :o
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #87 on: January 02, 2016, 09:47:02 PM »
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #88 on: January 02, 2016, 09:47:42 PM »
Don't be a fucking retard with this 5th round BS. There are only 5 rounds. None of the judges scored the 5th round 10-8. So two of the judges gave Lawler a CLEAR Condit round. The announcers, Lawler's corner and everyone else had Lawler down 3-1. There was no other way to see it. How on earth did all three judges have MacDonald up 3-1 headed into the 5th round last time out and all three judges had this one 2-2. Fucking moron.
Settle down.
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #89 on: January 02, 2016, 09:49:00 PM »
Condit is exciting, I would watch him fight any day of the week.

Agree this makes little sense but the judging has sucked for a long time. :-\

Glad I didn't pay for this. :D

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2016, 09:49:14 PM »
Don't be a fucking retard with this 5th round BS. There are only 5 rounds.

No shit..

None of the judges scored the 5th round 10-8. So two of the judges gave Lawler a CLEAR Condit round. The announcers, Lawler's corner and everyone else had Lawler down 3-1. There was no other way to see it. How on earth did all three judges have MacDonald up 3-1 headed into the 5th round last time out and all three judges had this one 2-2. Fucking moron.

Relax. I had Condit taking rounds 1, 3 & 4. Lawler clearly ran with round 2 after landing that solid strike that put Condit on his ass. Sometimes, the 5th round needs to be definitively won by the challenger (regardless of his possible lead in the judges' scorecard) in order to get the decision.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2016, 09:56:07 PM »
OMR, which is the 3rd round you think they gave to Robbie?
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2016, 09:58:45 PM »
OMR, which is the 3rd round you think they gave to Robbie?

I have no clue to be honest.

I didn't see Robbie taking anything past Rounds 2 (barely and only by a technicality) and 5 (more likely).

Maybe the judges might have seen something during round 4, but it's hard to tell. I was just as stomped as everyone else.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2016, 10:01:31 PM »
I have no clue to be honest.

I didn't see Robbie taking anything past Rounds 2 (barely and only by a technicality) and 5 (more likely).

Maybe the judges might have seen something during round 4, but it's hard to tell. I was just as stomped as everyone else.

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Round 4, Condit landed 7 times the amount of strikes Lawler did in that round.  Lawler only landed 6 strikes compared to Condit's 42.
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2016, 10:03:10 PM »
Never let a fight go to a decision. Lame cliché, but absolutely correct.

Countless fighters have been screwed via terrible decisions.

It's almost as if the reigning champ goes into the fight with a 1 round lead.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2016, 10:05:57 PM »
Never let a fight go to a decision. Lame cliché, but absolutely correct.

Countless fighters have been screwed via terrible decisions.

It's almost as if the reigning champ goes into the fight with a 1 round lead.
Man, I'm bummed for Condit, dude deserved better. And I like Robbie also, but he didn't win that fight.
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2016, 10:08:10 PM »
Round 4, Condit landed 7 times the amount of strikes Lawler did in that round.  Lawler only landed 6 strikes compared to Condit's 42.

Like I said, hard to call. Truly, I couldn't have seen Robbie taking it by points based off of effective strikes landed, but lets remember that when it comes to judging these fights, they look at other things.


Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.
Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of legal strikes landed by a contestant.
Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler's attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking, taking down an opponent to force a ground fight, creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.
Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike.
Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks
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Maybe they weighed certain aspects heavier than others. I remember faintly that Lawler seemed to control where the fight was going.

Again, I'd love to see what the judges' scorecards look like.

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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2016, 10:17:36 PM »
Like I said, hard to call. Truly, I couldn't have seen Robbie taking it by points based off of effective strikes landed, but lets remember that when it comes to judging these fights, they look at other things.


Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.
Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of legal strikes landed by a contestant.
Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler's attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking, taking down an opponent to force a ground fight, creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.
Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike.
Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks
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Maybe they weighed certain aspects heavier than others. I remember faintly that Lawler seemed to control where the fight was going.

Again, I'd love to see what the judges' scorecards look like.

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I disagree, Robbie has a tendency to try and bully and looks for opportunities where he tries to overwhelm his opponent, usually after stunning an opponent with a power shot.  He couldn't really do this with Condit because Condit has a habit of staying in the pocket and  fighting back, he matches intensity for intensity.  Making him dangerous under fire, and Robbie sensed this and pulled back any time they got into a moderate exchange.  The 1st was a good example, Robbie tried to bully and impose his will straight away, making sure to control the centre, this didn't last long as Condit dropped him soon after and then for the rest of the round Condit dictated the pace while Robbie backpedaled.  I believe Condit fought his fight gameplan and Robbie didn't fight his, he was stifled and only had a few brief glimpses of dominance and control.  Condit was able to weather any storm Robbie threw at him and still continue his phenomenal workrate until the very end.  This was a blatant robbery and makes you question the integrity of the UFC.
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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2016, 10:22:27 PM »
Ok, so the judges gave:

Condit round 1 & 4

Lawler round 2, 3 (by two judge's account) & 5



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Re: UFC 195 Lawler/Condit Pick em thread now closed
« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2016, 10:28:59 PM »
Ok, so the judges gave:

Condit round 1 & 4

Lawler round 2, 3 (by two judge's account) & 5



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Will have to watch again later.  I actually picked Robbie to win but was rooting for Condit, so sometimes my bias affects my objective analysis.
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