Why do so many care if some guy juices ?

[Howard]

Meatheads have been using juice for decades .
Many of 'em lie about it, same as when they screw around on wives and gf's.
Granted a very small % of lifters are true genetic freak that didn't use or just dabbled in it.
No drug test is perfect and individual response varies, etc.

That's why, the older I get, the less I'm concerned with what any meathead takes or doesn't take.
All that matters is results. I competed on moderate cycles and natural in many NON tested shows.
I knew I was at a disadvantage and accepted that as my personal choice.

The biggest contests (IFBB/ NPC) don't even drug test, so it really is a non-issue .

[da_vinci]

People just want to have something to discuss (or hate) I guess.

[Howard]

People just want to have something to discuss (or hate) I guess.

I competed in a few drug tested shows, back in the day.
One thing I hated was that many felt , you could be small and smooth just because you were natty.

[NelsonMuntz]

I competed in a few drug tested shows, back in the day.
One thing I hated was that may felt , you could be small and smooth just because you were natty.

wow you competed? Really?

tell us more Howard....

 

[Howard]

wow you competed? Really?

tell us more Howard....

 

Old news , and nobody wants to see a has been/never was repost.

[Walter Sobchak]

Old news , and nobody wants to see a has been/never was repost.

More like....nobody wants to see a loser like you post at all

[Lustral]

I don't care but I learned not to tell people who have no idea I do juice, and am honest with people I know who do so they do not overdo it/know risks.

Joe Public thinks you take a pill and look like Superman... they are so dismissive and think juice is actually that strong. Juicers in gym thing everyone on stuff is taking 10x what they are if they look better. Deny it to one faction, educate the others.

[titusisback]

The issue is more complex than that. For a long time, politicians have used fear to control people. It's the perfect way to make people think something else than issues that actually matter. Making roids illegal and declaring the users as 'cheaters' is a perfect example of this. Most people who use stuff are not cheating anyone or stealing anyone's prize money. But since politicians have brainwashed the public, it's not something you can openly support or admit in most cases. That added to the fact that people who use PDIs are often athletic and healthy looking, envy gets throw in the mix by people who feel inferior having a shitty physique. Just typical human behaviour - inability to think objectively.

[calfzilla]

I don't mind if other people juice, only part that bothers me is when they get all the girls and I get none. 
Girls are dumb and can't tell who juices, they just think that huge ripped guys train hard and eat well. 

[cephissus]

That's why, the older I get, the less I'm concerned with what any meathead takes or doesn't take.

NO SHIT

when you are a young, naive kid, you want to believe you can achieve a great physique drug free, because you see so many "naturals" who have done so.

you grow up a little, realize they aren't natural and get pissed off.  the older you get, the further disillusioned you become, and of course the less you care.

ffs how is this hard to understand...

[TheShape.]

Only if they look like shit and lift less than me while having a hormonal advantage over myself.

[Kim Jong Bob]

Like the people that ate bashing mike hearn for saying he is a natty, of the same dudes boss at work asked them if they used they would claim the same thing as mike : no. Why would he risk to loose work for saying he does a illegal thing.

[Nick Danger]

Like the people that ate bashing mike hearn for saying he is a natty, of the same dudes boss at work asked them if they used they would claim the same thing as mike : no. Why would he risk to loose work for saying he does a illegal thing.

I don't think anyone cares if a guy denies using but O'Hearn goes out of his way to claim he is natural. I believe he gets called out because of his arrogance.

[Kim Jong Bob]

I don't think anyone cares if a guy denies using but O'Hearn goes out of his way to claim he is natural. I believe he gets called out because of his arrogance.

well you have a God  point but i guess he gets that question alot of times and if those who calls him out had a boss that asked them all the time if they juice the would to denile it .arrogant or not igs still hypochritic of them

[Ropo]

NO SHIT

when you are a young, naive kid, you want to believe you can achieve a great physique drug free, because you see so many "naturals" who have done so.

you grow up a little, realize they aren't natural and get pissed off.  the older you get, the further disillusioned you become, and of course the less you care.

ffs how is this hard to understand...

Yes, and if you are smart enough and old enough, you may even realize this: You can get far without drugs if you don't make the most usual mistake and start to train like those who are using drugs  

[SuperTed]

Meatheads have been using juice for decades .
Many of 'em lie about it, same as when they screw around on wives and gf's.
Granted a very small % of lifters are true genetic freak that didn't use or just dabbled in it.
No drug test is perfect and individual response varies, etc.

That's why, the older I get, the less I'm concerned with what any meathead takes or doesn't take.
All that matters is results. I competed on moderate cycles and natural in many NON tested shows.
I knew I was at a disadvantage and accepted that as my personal choice.

The biggest contests (IFBB/ NPC) don't even drug test, so it really is a non-issue .

Drugs are a major aspect of BB so obviously will be a major point of discussion. HTH.

[DroppingPlates]

The ones who do care don't realize that their life is also full of enhancing elements. Their only valid reason against use in my book is that it can harm someone's health.

[Julio Ceasar]

Bcz alot of us se "bodybuilding" as a sport and Me personally think u can achieve a great body without gear if u have the consistency brain and talent.

Its like creating art from the ground, a nice painting instead of just taking a photo and put a frame on it!


That's why. Just like girls with nice natural tits doesn't like girls with silicon shitty tits! Its called cheating! No one like cheaters when they follow the rules! Just like a hard working honest man saving some money and the some criminal get twice money for doing almost nothing.

Yes that's why! Fake criminal losers...don't know if they should be rewarded? What do u think?

[DroppingPlates]

Bcz alot of us se "bodybuilding" as a sport and Me personally think u can achieve a great body without gear if u have the consistency brain and talent.

Its like creating art from the ground, a nice painting instead of just taking a photo and put a frame on it!


That's why. Just like girls with nice natural tits doesn't like girls with silicon shitty tits! Its called cheating! No one like cheaters when they follow the rules! Just like a hard working honest man saving some money and the some criminal get twice money for doing almost nothing.

Yes that's why! Fake criminal losers...don't know if they should be rewarded? What do u think?

I think you're jeleux Julio

[bigmc]

Bcz alot of us se "bodybuilding" as a sport and Me personally think u can achieve a great body without gear if u have the consistency brain and talent.

Its like creating art from the ground, a nice painting instead of just taking a photo and put a frame on it!


That's why. Just like girls with nice natural tits doesn't like girls with silicon shitty tits! Its called cheating! No one like cheaters when they follow the rules! Just like a hard working honest man saving some money and the some criminal get twice money for doing almost nothing.

Yes that's why! Fake criminal losers...don't know if they should be rewarded? What do u think?

so you cant source gear 

[Kim Jong Bob]

I think you're jeleux Julio

sounds like that..typical  natural that talks shot about julcers just because they grow faster...some people should stop care what others do and just do their own thing

[DroppingPlates]

sounds like that..typical  natural that talks shot about julcers just because they grow faster...some people should stop care what others do and just do their own thing

There you go, most natties are like male feminists with their agenda pushing.

[Royalty]

My only problem is seeing a guy with zero muscle..... Desperately turning to steroids in order to build his body & to feel good about himself....

...watching him get big with the help of steroids..


Then, listening to him endlessly bragging at the gym about how great he is.


So I guess my problem is with the braggers & boasters.

[Powerlift66]

Not sure why people care so much about what anyone does, how they dress, etc.
Odd fucking world we now live in thanks to social media. People need to feel better about themselves so they cut down everyone else.

Man the fuck up and shut the fuck up. 

[local hero]

Bcz alot of us se "bodybuilding" as a sport and Me personally think u can achieve a great body without gear if u have the consistency brain and talent.

Its like creating art from the ground, a nice painting instead of just taking a photo and put a frame on it!


That's why. Just like girls with nice natural tits doesn't like girls with silicon shitty tits! Its called cheating! No one like cheaters when they follow the rules! Just like a hard working honest man saving some money and the some criminal get twice money for doing almost nothing.

Yes that's why! Fake criminal losers...don't know if they should be rewarded? What do u think?

You can achieve big and chunky, small and ripped or just normal looking.... Depends on how high you set the bar at what you call a good physique

If you want to be a big lean bodybuilder you will waste years of your life trying to do the impossible