Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[timfogarty]

Yet somehow they're allowed to riot through the streets destroying businesses and cop cars again and again without being blasted? BLM gets on major freeways and stops traffic while "protesting" and none are shot or run over? Come on doc. Set race aside and look at how the 2 different groups are conducting themselves.

One is carrying signs and chanting slogans against police killings.  The other is pointing assault weapons at federal officials and talking about overthrowing the government.

[Eric2]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3JqIceKh6I

Watch the whole thing. Truth. Please listen to the whole reading of this open letter before you speak of what you think you know to be right.

[240 is Back]

pointing guns at feds.  weren't even charged.  that's some bullshit right there.

[chaos]

One is carrying signs and chanting slogans against police killings.  The other is pointing assault weapons at federal officials and talking about overthrowing the government.

Lmfao!! No need to continue conversation with someone that can't see a difference.

pointing guns at feds.  weren't even charged.  that's some bullshit right there.

You sound really bitter and jealous. At least you're not stalking Coach, whining about Trump anymore.

[Eric2]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3JqIceKh6I

Watch the whole thing. Truth. Please listen to the whole reading of this open letter before you speak of what you think you know to be right.

[TuHolmes]

why is that not relevant?  Right wingers are alway bringing up Saint Ronnie.  Under the Ronald Reagan administration, a black cult made threats against the US government, and they ended up dead, even those who were trying to surrender. Under Obama, twice now, white right wing fanatics make threats against the US government, point assault weapons at federal marshals, and live to see the next day.

So shouldn't Obama want to off a couple of crackers? Why doesn't he? He would be completely justified right now.

[chaos]

So shouldn't Obama want to off a couple of crackers? Why doesn't he? He would be completely justified right now.

Tims still living decades in the past.

[timfogarty]

Lmfao!! No need to continue conversation with someone that can't see a difference.

Do you mean can't see the similarities?

BLM is a civil rights movement similar to all the ones of the last 50 years: marches, minor civil disobedience.  They do not advocate violence or property damage.  Of the 1500+ BLM marches of the last 1.5 years, only a few have had property damage done by outside agitators.

These white militias advocate the overthrow of the US government, taking over federal buildings, are carrying assault weapons, pointing them at government officials, vowing to die for their cause.

OWS occupy a city park and the police lock up all the toilets.  So far the federal marshals haven't even bothered turning off the electricity to the Oregon building

[TuHolmes]

One is carrying signs and chanting slogans against police killings.  The other is pointing assault weapons at federal officials and talking about overthrowing the government.

Which assault weapon has been pointed at federal officials?

[240 is Back]

Which assault weapon has been pointed at federal officials?

In 2014, this same group was photographed pointing rifles at the Feds. 

I'm all for protest, but once you point a weapon...

They stopped people, shut down roads, and got away with it too.  So they were very bold this time. 

[TuHolmes]

In 2014, this same group was photographed pointing rifles at the Feds. 

I'm all for protest, but once you point a weapon...

They stopped people, shut down roads, and got away with it too.  So they were very bold this time. 

As I asked... which ASSAULT weapon has been pointed at federal officials...

Specifically this time.

[240 is Back]

As I asked... which ASSAULT weapon has been pointed at federal officials...

Specifically this time.

This time? None.  They just carried them in and said they were here to kill.  Didn't point them this time.  But carrying a weapon while committing a crime (they broke into federal bundling) is a felony. 

Either way, they're breaking laws. 

[240 is Back]

I don't know what an "assault" weapon is.   A rock can be an assault weapon.   A gun is just another tool.

Ted Cruz has called for them to stand down.  Said they're committing a crime.  Doesn't want a standoff.  Said there's no right to engage in violence against other Americans. 

And cruz did support them in 2014. 

[mr.turbo]

what does this letter have to do with these guys?

they want a bunch of tax payer funded land to be handed over for private ownership.

does this letter discuss the value of that property which is in the trillions?

does it discuss the use of violence to achieve that end?

I didn't read it (normally one reads letters) but let me know if it does.

[TuHolmes]

I don't know what an "assault" weapon is.   A rock can be an assault weapon.   A gun is just another tool.

Ted Cruz has called for them to stand down.  Said they're committing a crime.  Doesn't want a standoff.  Said there's no right to engage in violence against other Americans.  

And cruz did support them in 2014.  

Finally you get the point I'm making Rob.

What the fuck is an assault weapon?

I didn't call it that.

Someone else did. They don't even know what the fuck an assault weapon is... and I would have to see what these guys were carrying to even say they were some kind of assault "rifle" in the first place.

Being accurate is kind of important.

What are they carrying? Do you know? Seen photos? Anyone?

Of course they are committing a crime... Fucking DUH.

I haven't been denying otherwise and have said since minute one that they are wrong.

[240 is Back]

Raw story posted pics Sunday mornings.  Wearing ar 15 rifles

[TuHolmes]

Raw story posted pics Sunday mornings.  Wearing ar 15 rifles

You do know that an AR-15 is not an "assault rifle" right?

You also know that in gun terminology an "assault weapon" didn't even exist until politicians created the word.

So since you've answered my questions I posed to Tim, what do you think of Tim's statements?

[timfogarty]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[11]

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher mount
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Detachable magazine.

[TuHolmes]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[11]

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher mount
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Detachable magazine.

Which means nothing.

Tim, I get you don't know anything about firearms.

There is not such thing as an "assault weapon".

It is a political term made up to make people who don't know be afraid.

Here's a quick thing for you to check out.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

[calfzilla]

Which means nothing.

Tim, I get you don't know anything about firearms.

There is not such thing as an "assault weapon".

It is a political term made up to make people who don't know be afraid.

Here's a quick thing for you to check out.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

X2 Tim seems like a nice guy but clearly knows very little about guns, nothing wrong with that.

[TuHolmes]

X2 Tim seems like a nice guy but clearly knows very little about guns, nothing wrong with that.

Absolutely.

Guns aren't for everyone, it's fine, but don't just let some political wording get engrained into you and just go along with it.

[calfzilla]

Absolutely.

Guns aren't for everyone, it's fine, but don't just let some political wording get engrained into you and just go along with it.

Yes. Most people don't even realize that AR as in ar15 doesn't stand for assault rifle.

Also they don't know what semi-automatic means.

[TuHolmes]

Yes. Most people don't even realize that AR as in ar15 doesn't stand for assault rifle.

Also they don't know what semi-automatic means.

I don't mind that people don't know either... What I do mind is that people don't care to educate themselves about them before they start saying a lot of things.

I might argue a lot and sometimes I'm stubborn as hell, but I do "try" to educate myself about things before I start going towards one side of anything or the other.

[drkaje]

Yet somehow they're allowed to riot through the streets destroying businesses and cop cars again and again without being blasted? BLM gets on major freeways and stops traffic while "protesting" and none are shot or run over? Come on doc. Set race aside and look at how the 2 different groups are conducting themselves.

Throw guns into the mix of a BLM protest and what happens?

It's not about race but instances like this remind us how big the gap is when it comes to rights and interacting with law enforcement.

[SF1900]

Yes. Most people don't even realize that AR as in ar15 doesn't stand for assault rifle.

Also they don't know what semi-automatic means.

A=Assault
R=Rifle