Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[SF1900]

Destroying a neighborhood like that would only cause all 300 million people in the US to take action.

While they do have advanced weaponry, in the end, they would lose.

People of the land will never quit, that's the reason why the Soviets couldn't win in Afghanistan and the US can't continue to stay in Iraq.

300 million take action? There are 321,000,000 million people in the United States (according to 2015 stats). How do you figure 300 million people? Once you exclude the disabled, the elderly, woman, and children, how many people are you left with to fight?  A LOT less than 3 million. Just alone, almost 50 million people in the Unites States suffer from disabilities. There were more than 73 million children under age 18 in the United States in 2008. Nearly one-third (21 million) were under age five. The older population—persons 65 years or older—numbered 44.7 million in 2013. There were over 158.6 million women in the United States in 2009.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You've heard of drones, tanks and Jet fighters correct?  The US military could glass a whole neighborhood with one drone strike.  You wouldn't see an actual soldier until all of the airstrikes took out all key buildings and infrastructure.  This is not Call of Duty where you walk around shooting people.

They had all of that with the exception of drones in Vietnam , they fared much better than anticipated. Drones are devastating though but you think the U.S government is going to deploy them here? Highly doubtful. I don't play C.O.D never have , never will.

Hundreds of thousands of ex military own firearms keep that in mind. Battle hardened vets who swore an oath to protect the constitution from enemies foreign & domestic. If .Gov tries to confiscate people's guns it will be Civil war 2.0 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Destroying a neighborhood like that would only cause all 300 million people in the US to take action.

While they do have advanced weaponry, in the end, they would lose.

People of the land will never quit, that's the reason why the Soviets couldn't win in Afghanistan and the US can't continue to stay in Iraq.

out of those 300 million about 90% are sheep and would do what they're told. blacks, latinos and whites would turn on each other.  solidarity is a pipe dream

[TuHolmes]

300 million take action? There are 321,000,000 million people in the United States (according to 2015 stats). How do you figure 300 million people? Once you exclude the disabled, the elderly, woman, and children, how many people are you left with to fight?  A LOT less than 3 million. Just alone, almost 50 million people in the Unites States suffer from disabilities.

So you're saying 150 Million? 100?

I'm overstating of course, but we know there are over 300 million weapons and a populace extremely happy to use them.

China has made statements that even with their large armies, they can not compete with the US citizens in regards to armament.

[SF1900]

So you're saying 150 Million? 100?

I'm overstating of course, but we know there are over 300 million weapons and a populace extremely happy to use them.

China has made statements that even with their large armies, they can not compete with the US citizens in regards to armament.

Some more statistics:

There were more than 73 million children under age 18 in the United States in 2008. Nearly one-third (21 million) were under age five. The older population—persons 65 years or older—numbered 44.7 million in 2013. There were over 158.6 million women in the United States in 2009.

So, probably even less than 100 million. And when you take into consider the current generation, WAY less than 100 million.

[mr.turbo]

300 million take action? There are 321,000,000 million people in the United States (according to 2015 stats). How do you figure 300 million people? Once you exclude the disabled, the elderly, woman, and children, how many people are you left with to fight?  A LOT less than 3 million. Just alone, almost 50 million people in the Unites States suffer from disabilities. There were more than 73 million children under age 18 in the United States in 2008. Nearly one-third (21 million) were under age five. The older population—persons 65 years or older—numbered 44.7 million in 2013. There were over 158.6 million women in the United States in 2009.

More than one-third (34.9% or 78.6 million) of U.S. adults are obese.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

[TuHolmes]

Some more statistics:

There were more than 73 million children under age 18 in the United States in 2008. Nearly one-third (21 million) were under age five. The older population—persons 65 years or older—numbered 44.7 million in 2013. There were over 158.6 million women in the United States in 2009.

So, probably even less than 100 million. And when you take into consider the current generation, WAY less than 100 million.

"Children" in Afghanistan around age 12 are shooting AKs.

People of 60 are still out shooting big guns.

I think you are being overly harsh on the young and old in regards to what they are capable of.

[El Diablo Blanco]

They had all of that with the exception of drones in Vietnam , they fared much better than anticipated. Drones are devastating though but you think the U.S government is going to deploy them here? Highly doubtful. I don't play C.O.D never have , never will.

Hundreds of thousands of ex military own firearms keep that in mind. Battle hardened vets who swore an oath to protect the constitution from enemies foreign & domestic. If .Gov tries to confiscate people's guns it will be Civil war 2.0 

You seem to be thinking of a war against broad land like Texas.  Let's pick big metro areas.  What would happen in NYC if all food, water and power were cut off?  Do you think they'd band together to fight the gov?  They would turn on each other in an instant.  The Gov could sit back and watch the chaos ensue and let the people do the work for them.  Sure it would be harder to go after militia groups in rural areas, but that's what drones are for.

[SF1900]

More than one-third (34.9% or 78.6 million) of U.S. adults are obese.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

Exactly. An obese person in war would only be good for driving a tank, but since the average citizen doesn't own a tank, well, they would be killed in a matter of seconds in war.

[TuHolmes]

Exactly. An obese person in war would only be good for driving a tank, but since the average citizen doesn't own a tank, well, they would be killed in a matter of seconds in war.

The obesity statements are not valid though.

People who are perfectly fit are listed as obese according to the US standards.

There are numerous people in the military that would technically be considered "Obese" because of their muscle mass.

[El Diablo Blanco]

They had all of that with the exception of drones in Vietnam , they fared much better than anticipated. Drones are devastating though but you think the U.S government is going to deploy them here? Highly doubtful. I don't play C.O.D never have , never will.

Hundreds of thousands of ex military own firearms keep that in mind. Battle hardened vets who swore an oath to protect the constitution from enemies foreign & domestic. If .Gov tries to confiscate people's guns it will be Civil war 2.0 

Vietnam was foreign soil.  They didn't control anything there.  They didn't have bases setup everywhere like they do here.  They have full control of this country, they didn't have any in Vietnam.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Exactly. An obese person in war would only be good for driving a tank, but since the average citizen doesn't own a tank, well, they would be killed in a matter of seconds in war.

Have you seen the opening of a tank or been inside one?  An Obese person wouldn't even get their head through the opening.

[mr.turbo]

I learn something new everyday. I'm open to new information.
 
Perhaps it was the guns in the hands of the Iraqi populace that defeated the mighty US war machine!  

As a part of furthering my gun expert status, I'll have to look into this further.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Vietnam was foreign soil.  They didn't control anything there.  They didn't have bases setup everywhere like they do here.  They have full control of this country, they didn't have any in Vietnam.

Good points , but the point stands. How many on the bases would open fire on fellow Americans because .Gov decided to unconstitutionally ban firearms? provocative questions no doubt but even if the minority of gun owners fought back let's say 10% that's 10 million armed citizens that poses a MAJOR problem for anyone. It wouldn't be a lopsided massacre in their favor.

That's how this country got started , a bunch of tax evading " terrorist " rebels going against the mightiest military force on the planet. 

[SF1900]

"Children" in Afghanistan around age 12 are shooting AKs.

People of 60 are still out shooting big guns.

I think you are being overly harsh on the young and old in regards to what they are capable of.

Yes, but the children in the Middle East have been handling a gun since they were 3. The average American kid has not. HUGE difference in cultures.

Or I am being realistic? Fact of the matter is, most people 65+ and most kids, say, below the ages of 17, wont take arms. Most women will not either.

Your 300 million is a FAR cry from accurate. Even if some elderly people and kids decided to take up arms, it will still will be below 300 million. Hell, the 50 million disabled people already knocks it down to around the 250 million mark, depending what their disability is. Heck, this probably doesn't even include all the people with chronic medical conditions.

I think you're being to generous in terms of who would take up arms against the government.

[SF1900]

Have you seen the opening of a tank or been inside one?  An Obese person wouldn't even get their head through the opening.

Touche!

[TuHolmes]

Good points , but the point stands. How many on the bases would open fire on fellow Americans because .Gov decided to unconstitutionally ban firearms? provocative questions no doubt but even if the minority of gun owners fought back let's say 10% that's 10 million armed citizens that poses a MAJOR problem for anyone. It wouldn't be a lopsided massacre in their favor.

That's how this country got started , a bunch of tax evading " terrorist " rebels going against the mightiest military force on the planet. 

Anyone who says "the gun owners" haven't a chance are just the people who wouldn't do anything. It's fine, because maybe that's who they are, but in reality, 10 Million people would be huge and if it was closer to 30 or 40 million... Forget it.

What is the .gov going to do? Nuke the entire country? That would serve no purpose at all.

[SF1900]

Anyone who says "the gun owners" haven't a chance are just the people who wouldn't do anything. It's fine, because maybe that's who they are, but in reality, 10 Million people would be huge and if it was closer to 30 or 40 million... Forget it.

What is the .gov going to do? Nuke the entire country? That would serve no purpose at all.

In sheer numbers of alone, obviously 40 million citizens would beat the american military, which is about 1.5 million people.

But it really depends what the government is willing to do and how they are willing to fight back. If they take a gung-ho approach and break out air strikes and all that crap, well, that could easily even the playing field.

[TuHolmes]

In sheer numbers of alone, obviously 40 million citizens would beat the american military, which is about 1.5 million people.

But it really depends what the government is willing to do and how they are willing to fight back. If they take a gung-ho approach and break out air strikes and all that crap, well, that could easily even the playing field.

Possibly, but how many Isis people have been scaring the shit out of the US and apparently taking over whatever they want?

35K? 50K? 150K?

[SF1900]

Possibly, but how many Isis people have been scaring the shit out of the US and apparently taking over whatever they want?

35K? 50K? 150K?

ISIS are savages, most Americans are not. The reasons we are scared of ISIS is because of their savagery. It has little to do with their numbers (high or low). Even if America did take up arms against the government, most of us are not savages. Sure we would protect our country, but we probably wouldnt be chopping peoples head off either. Then again, who knows.

[timfogarty]

The difference between Afganistan, Vietnam, etc., and an insurgent war within the US is that those foreign insurgents have arms manufacturers constantly resupplying them. In an insurgent war within the US, the ammo manufacturers would not be very willing or able to resupply the rebels.

[TuHolmes]

The difference between Afganistan, Vietnam, etc., and an insurgent war within the US is that those foreign insurgents have arms manufacturers constantly resupplying them. In an insurgent war within the US, the ammo manufacturers would not be very willing or able to resupply the rebels.

I'm sure quite a few would.

Maybe not ever manufacturer, but many sure as hell would.

Plus we have have lots of already built weapons AND ability to create ammo.

[SF1900]

I'm sure quite a few would.

Maybe not ever manufacturer, but many sure as hell would.

Plus we have have lots of already built weapons AND ability to create ammo.

But at what cost? Can the average American afford to buy thousands and thousands of rounds of ammo? If a war against the government is carrying on for a VERY long time, its hard to fight a war while going to your 9-5 job to earn a living. No job, no money to buy ammo. I mean, who would be supplying the average citizen with continuous ammo? Themselves? Or some other person?

[mr.turbo]

The US has ruled the entire world for 50+ years using military power and continues to do so.

Somehow the civilian population, mostly untrained, is going to rise up and beat it.

I want to know how this is going to work.

with guns I guess?

 

[timfogarty]

Maybe not ever manufacturer, but many sure as hell would.

and the military takes over those factories.  Then what?

Plus we have have lots of already built weapons AND ability to create ammo.

do you realize how much ammo is used in a war? say some foreign manufacturer is willing to supply the rebels.  First they won't do it for free.  How are the rebels going to pay them? Second it is a lot easier to sneak arms into Afganistan or Syria than Texas or Oregon