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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #625 on: January 06, 2016, 04:28:30 PM »
Personally, if you just got ND, Kazan and Tu Holmes together, they could probably take out the whole American military. I mean, they are getniggers.  :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #626 on: January 06, 2016, 04:29:58 PM »
Personally, if you just got ND, Kazan and Tu Holmes together, they could probably take out the whole American military. I mean, they are getniggers.  :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #627 on: January 06, 2016, 04:33:16 PM »
And most people who stockpile weapons are stockpiling ammo too. I love people who don't have the faintest idea on guns talking about them lol I know PLENTY of ex military combat vets who aren't giving up their weapons anytime soon. This really is a moot point .Gov isn't going to face the armed American public they're much more subversive , backdoor policies , " common sense " bullshit , almost 100 years of infringing on people's Second Amendment rights and people are getting sick of it. Hey politicians are politicians they need to tow the party line.

If the government declared war on the citizens of the U.S., then 99% of the politicians would be dead within a week.


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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #628 on: January 06, 2016, 04:34:59 PM »
Okay, that was a TYPO!!!! I meant, "GETBIGGERS!!!"
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #629 on: January 06, 2016, 04:35:01 PM »
This is what the Second Amendment was made for. .Gov pushed and people pushed back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #630 on: January 06, 2016, 04:35:59 PM »
If the government declared war on the citizens of the U.S., then 99% of the politicians would be dead within a week.



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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #631 on: January 06, 2016, 04:36:17 PM »
Dead-end cause.  They're not getting public support because they're unable to succinctly define the injustice to which they object and whatever solution they propose in a way that makes anyone give a shit.  As far as I can tell they want to make more money by having their cows eat government grass so they're arguing that the government doesn't have the right to manage the land.  And that this is tyrannical in some way.

At most, it'll make people go hmm and undertake a scholarly investigation into the constitutionality of federal land management versus a state's right to make the rules.  They'll never inspire a visceral reaction from the general public and gain popular support with this.  There's no egregious injustice that's going to serve as a rallying point in this academic investigation.  The attempt to manufacture one by framing the arsonists as martyrs is transparent and off target.  Again, it has to be explained to people.  There's a bunch of legal minutia swirling around.  It doesn't work.  You need something that's immediately obvious as unjust and makes everyone say 'no, fuck that' as soon as they hear about it if you're going to win popular support for your cause.  They don't have one of those.

I don't have any strong feelings either way about whether a state is entitled to a more active role in managing the land within it's borders.  I just don't care.  This whole thing looks to me like a rich man's cause anyway.  The ranchers with their thousands of subsidized acres and millions of dollars worth of stock and plant are shitty because they could have made $10 mil last year instead of a lousy $2 mil if that meddling federal government hadn't come along and told them to stay on their own land.  Baron Von Derp really expects all the $7/hr guys are going to form themselves into ranks for his cause?

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #632 on: January 06, 2016, 04:37:19 PM »
Okay, that was a TYPO!!!! I meant, "GETBIGGERS!!!"

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #633 on: January 06, 2016, 04:39:21 PM »
LMAO sure sure
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #634 on: January 06, 2016, 04:39:51 PM »
LMAO sure sure
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #635 on: January 06, 2016, 04:56:45 PM »
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #636 on: January 06, 2016, 05:06:51 PM »
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #637 on: January 06, 2016, 05:11:42 PM »
SF1900 has united us!!

It's what I do, broskie. Uniting GETBIGGERS everywhere!!!
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #638 on: January 06, 2016, 05:13:54 PM »
It's what I do, broskie. Uniting GETBIGGERS everywhere!!!

It's okay to use a term of endearment and familiarity amongst your own kind. :)

Can't speak for anyone else but it didn't seem the least bit hostile or mean-spirited.

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #639 on: January 06, 2016, 05:21:12 PM »
as was stated before, protecting your home from an intruder is not what Stand Your Ground laws are about. Protecting your home from an intruder was justifiable long before Stand Your Ground laws became popular. (BTW, no Stand Your Ground laws in California, but we do have Castle Doctrine.)

But a normal person should think that if the chances of needing to protect my children from an intruder is X, and the chances of my children getting hurt or killed from the thing I use to protect my children from an intruder is Y, and Y is much greater than X, I probably should find another way to protect my children from the unlikely chance of an intruder. 1 866 24 7 4 9 99

That's ridiculous. Even if I didn't have children I reserve the right to protect myself, my wife and my property and if that means using a gun that's prerogative. If someone breaks into YOUR home how are you going to protect yourself? Are you going to try to "reason" with them? lol

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #640 on: January 06, 2016, 05:21:19 PM »
Dead-end cause.  They're not getting public support because they're unable to succinctly define the injustice to which they object and whatever solution they propose in a way that makes anyone give a shit.  As far as I can tell they want to make more money by having their cows eat government grass so they're arguing that the government doesn't have the right to manage the land.  And that this is tyrannical in some way.

At most, it'll make people go hmm and undertake a scholarly investigation into the constitutionality of federal land management versus a state's right to make the rules.  They'll never inspire a visceral reaction from the general public and gain popular support with this.  There's no egregious injustice that's going to serve as a rallying point in this academic investigation.  The attempt to manufacture one by framing the arsonists as martyrs is transparent and off target.  Again, it has to be explained to people.  There's a bunch of legal minutia swirling around.  It doesn't work.  You need something that's immediately obvious as unjust and makes everyone say 'no, fuck that' as soon as they hear about it if you're going to win popular support for your cause.  They don't have one of those.

I don't have any strong feelings either way about whether a state is entitled to a more active role in managing the land within it's borders.  I just don't care.  This whole thing looks to me like a rich man's cause anyway.  The ranchers with their thousands of subsidized acres and millions of dollars worth of stock and plant are shitty because they could have made $10 mil last year instead of a lousy $2 mil if that meddling federal government hadn't come along and told them to stay on their own land.  Baron Von Derp really expects all the $7/hr guys are going to form themselves into ranks for his cause?

You make a good point, and I am starting to think this whole thing is a suicide mission for the $7/hr guys. I would imagine they figured the feds would come in hot like Waco or Ruby Ridge and the militias would mobilize and CW2 kicks off.
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #641 on: January 06, 2016, 05:22:18 PM »
That's ridiculous. Even if I didn't have children I reserve the right to protect myself, my wife and my property and if that means using a gun that's prerogative. If someone breaks into YOUR home how are you going to protect yourself? Are you going to try to "reason" with them? lol

Harsh language bro  ;D
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #642 on: January 06, 2016, 05:32:40 PM »
Dead-end cause.  They're not getting public support because they're unable to succinctly define the injustice to which they object and whatever solution they propose in a way that makes anyone give a shit.  As far as I can tell they want to make more money by having their cows eat government grass so they're arguing that the government doesn't have the right to manage the land.  And that this is tyrannical in some way.

At most, it'll make people go hmm and undertake a scholarly investigation into the constitutionality of federal land management versus a state's right to make the rules.  They'll never inspire a visceral reaction from the general public and gain popular support with this.  There's no egregious injustice that's going to serve as a rallying point in this academic investigation.  The attempt to manufacture one by framing the arsonists as martyrs is transparent and off target.  Again, it has to be explained to people.  There's a bunch of legal minutia swirling around.  It doesn't work.  You need something that's immediately obvious as unjust and makes everyone say 'no, fuck that' as soon as they hear about it if you're going to win popular support for your cause.  They don't have one of those.

I don't have any strong feelings either way about whether a state is entitled to a more active role in managing the land within it's borders.  I just don't care.  This whole thing looks to me like a rich man's cause anyway.  The ranchers with their thousands of subsidized acres and millions of dollars worth of stock and plant are shitty because they could have made $10 mil last year instead of a lousy $2 mil if that meddling federal government hadn't come along and told them to stay on their own land.  Baron Von Derp really expects all the $7/hr guys are going to form themselves into ranks for his cause?

These people exist in a kind of bubble where they exclude external sources of information.  I think the technical term is "epistemic closure" another way to say it is stupid and crazy. Seems about half fanatic ideology half money grab. Indeed the key is to have a justifiable grievance to gather wide public support.
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #643 on: January 06, 2016, 05:34:14 PM »
Good points , but the point stands. How many on the bases would open fire on fellow Americans because .Gov decided to unconstitutionally ban firearms? provocative questions no doubt but even if the minority of gun owners fought back let's say 10% that's 10 million armed citizens that poses a MAJOR problem for anyone. It wouldn't be a lopsided massacre in their favor.

That's how this country got started , a bunch of tax evading " terrorist " rebels going against the mightiest military force on the planet. 
The military and police exist to protect the banks, gov and the rich.  Why do you think more cops show up to a bank robbery than a murder scene.  Bank protection is key 1.
Sure a big part of the military may refuse to fight against Americans but a big chunk will look at an uprising as a group of enemies.  I keep harping on drones but it's so much easier for a psycho military guy to sit in a chair in a dark room and drop carpet bombs across a city without dealing with the horror, blood or aftermath.

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #644 on: January 06, 2016, 05:51:45 PM »
Even if I didn't have children

Even if you didn't have children??? My point was that having a gun in the house is a higher risk for children than the possibility of an intruder. I would not want to place my children at risk by having a gun in the house.

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If someone breaks into YOUR home how are you going to protect yourself? Are you going to try to "reason" with them? lol

No, I'm going to get out of the house and call the police. What is the worst that an intruder can do? Steal my Herb Ritts print?

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #645 on: January 06, 2016, 06:13:45 PM »
Even if you didn't have children??? My point was that having a gun in the house is a higher risk for children than the possibility of an intruder. I would not want to place my children at risk by having a gun in the house.

No, I'm going to get out of the house and call the police. What is the worst that an intruder can do? Steal my Herb Ritts print?

Do you know what the average response time is for police?

Someone coming into your house isn't trying to let you run out.

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #646 on: January 06, 2016, 06:58:30 PM »
This thread needs some farmer music!

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #647 on: January 06, 2016, 07:01:05 PM »
Okay, that was a TYPO!!!! I meant, "GETBIGGERS!!!"
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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #648 on: January 06, 2016, 07:17:59 PM »
Even if you didn't have children??? My point was that having a gun in the house is a higher risk for children than the possibility of an intruder. I would not want to place my children at risk by having a gun in the house.

No, I'm going to get out of the house and call the police. What is the worst that an intruder can do? Steal my Herb Ritts print?
Your little theory works great and all until you realize that the majority of the United States is still rural and that law enforcement can be 45 to an hour or more away.

So what are you going to do?  Run a few miles to find help?  The police cannot help stop a crime taking place in many areas.  It makes no sense to deprive anyone else of their right to defend themself just because you can have the police there in an instant on speed dial in your urban environment.

Take Vermont for example.  They have HIGH gun ownership and LOW, EXTREMELY LOW instances of gun violence.  Every stop and wonder why that is?

I would LOVE to hear your answer.  Can you answer why that is for me please?

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Re: Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon
« Reply #649 on: January 06, 2016, 07:20:22 PM »
as was stated before, protecting your home from an intruder is not what Stand Your Ground laws are about. Protecting your home from an intruder was justifiable long before Stand Your Ground laws became popular. (BTW, no Stand Your Ground laws in California, but we do have Castle Doctrine.)

But a normal person should think that if the chances of needing to protect my children from an intruder is X, and the chances of my children getting hurt or killed from the thing I use to protect my children from an intruder is Y, and Y is much greater than X, I probably should find another way to protect my children from the unlikely chance of an intruder. 1 866 24 7 4 9 99
Why are you assuming that you have to have children to defend yourself with a firearm?  Where did you get that shit from and why are you repeating this?