Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[drkaje]

Your little theory works great and all until you realize that the majority of the United States is still rural and that law enforcement can be 45 to an hour or more away.

So what are you going to do?  Run a few miles to find help?  The police cannot help stop a crime taking place in many areas.  It makes no sense to deprive anyone else of their right to defend themself just because you can have the police there in an instant on speed dial in your urban environment.

Take Vermont for example.  They have HIGH gun ownership and LOW, EXTREMELY LOW instances of gun violence.  Every stop and wonder why that is?

I would LOVE to hear your answer.  Can you answer why that is for me please?

Is 1.2% black or African American what you're waiting to read?

[Walter Sobchak]

Even if you didn't have children??? My point was that having a gun in the house is a higher risk for children than the possibility of an intruder. I would not want to place my children at risk by having a gun in the house.

No, I'm going to get out of the house and call the police. What is the worst that an intruder can do? Steal my Herb Ritts print?

So a group of armed violent intruders break into your house looking to rob and kill you and you're just going to "get out of the house and call the police"?

How exactly are you going to pull that off?

[SF1900]

Even if you didn't have children??? My point was that having a gun in the house is a higher risk for children than the possibility of an intruder. I would not want to place my children at risk by having a gun in the house.

No, I'm going to get out of the house and call the police. What is the worst that an intruder can do? Steal my Herb Ritts print?

Get out of your house? What if the person lives in a house with 1 entrance, which is the front door. And what if there is an intruder guarding the front door with a shotgun? Many people who break into homes do it in packs (more than 1 person).

Don't you watch Investigative Discovery? In every home invasion, the person RARELY ever escapes the house. They usually go hiding in the home or attempt to fight off the attacker.

I mean, seriously, get out of the house. Sure, you can try that, but your in no way guaranteed that you will be able to leave the home.

Although I do not consider myself a democrat in strict terms, I have more democratic ideals than I do republican ideals. However, youre the reason why democrats look bad because youre living in a fantasy world. Get out of the house. Really? Are you living in reality?

Im at the point where I am thinking of even owning a handgun for home protection.

[polychronopolous]

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No, I'm going to get out of the house and call the police. What is the worst that an intruder can do? Steal my Herb Ritts print?

[mr.turbo]

Is 1.2% black or African American what you're waiting to read?

sadly, the causes of gun violence are not studied in the US.

but I'm eager to hear the answer to this question too!

[calfzilla]

Get out of your house? What if the person lives in a house with 1 entrance, which is the front door. And what if there is an intruder guarding the front door with a shotgun? Many people who break into homes do it in packs (more than 1 person).

Don't you watch Investigative Discovery? In every home invasion, the person RARELY ever escapes the house. They usually go hiding in the home or attempt to fight off the attacker.

I mean, seriously, get out of the house. Sure, you can try that, but your in no way guaranteed that you will be able to leave the home.

Although I do not consider myself a democrat in strict terms, I have more democratic ideals than I do republican ideals. However, youre the reason why democrats look bad because youre living in a fantasy world. Get out of the house. Really? Are you living in reality?

Im at the point where I am thinking of even owning a handgun for home protection.

  a pro gun thread from sf1900.

[SF1900]

a pro gun thread from sf1900.

Im not anti-gun.

One of my best friends owns about 8-10 guns, and I go target and skeet shooting with him all the time.

My cousins husband also owns about 6 guns and we go target shooting.

Ive shot plenty of guns before.

ps - But I wont go hunting with my cousins husband. Its fine that he hunts, but I am not shooting bambi. 

[drkaje]

sadly, the causes of gun violence are not studied in the US.

but I'm eager to hear the answer to this question too!

It may be one of the more affluent states.

Drove through there last year on college visits with one of the kids.... was colder than a witch's titty in a brass bra.

[SF1900]

It may be one of the more affluent states.

Drove through there last year on college visits with one of the kids.... was colder than a witch's titty in a brass bra.

2014 stats:

Vermont did not make the top 10 for the most richest states.

It also was not listed as one of the top 10 poorest states.

Thus, I am guessing it falls somewhere in the middle.

[The Scott]

Tim the Enchanter is going to get out and phone the police.  Sure he is...

Don't want a gun, don't buy one.  Don't try to take them from responsible Americans.  Switch gun with "penis".  

"Make penises against the law because when penises are outlawed only outlaws will have penises!"   Sounds stupid, huh?  

So does the enchanted one.

[The Scott]

.... was colder than a witch's titty in a brass bra.

Excellent olde world reference, sir!   No, really it was! I rarely hear or see it used as most people haven't a clue.  I digress.

[drkaje]

Excellent olde world reference, sir!   No, really it was! I rarely hear or see it used as most people haven't a clue.  I digress.

I occasionally hear the first half.

[Never1AShow]

All this more likely to be hurt by a gun in the home is a pure horseshit stat.  It is very narrow, "more likely to be killed than to kill with a gun in the house" was the original study.  Very flawed methodology, deliberately so.  It did not account for using a gun to warn an intruder off rather than killing them or injuring them.  It also included thing like suicides.  I think the guy who did the study also said he included instances where the intruder Himself brought the gun into the house but left that fact out.  Very bullshit.  Most people hear of that "stat" in some bastardized exaggerated form like here and think it is true.  It is not.

[drkaje]

All this more likely to be hurt by a gun in the home is a pure horseshit stat.  It is very narrow, "more likely to be killed than to kill with a gun in the house" was the original study.  Very flawed methodology, deliberately so.  It did not account for using a gun to warn an intruder off rather than killing them or injuring them.  It also included thing like suicides.  I think the guy who did the study also said he included instances where the intruder Himself brought the gun into the house but left that fact out.  Very bullshit.  Most people hear of that "stat" in some bastardized exaggerated form like here and think it is true.  It is not.

There are three kinds of lies.....

[Coach is Back!]

Harsh language bro 

I hate spell check

[TuHolmes]

Im not anti-gun.

One of my best friends owns about 8-10 guns, and I go target and skeet shooting with him all the time.

My cousins husband also owns about 6 guns and we go target shooting.

Ive shot plenty of guns before.

ps - But I wont go hunting with my cousins husband. Its fine that he hunts, but I am not shooting bambi. 

I won't hunt personally unless society truly breaks down.

I hunted as a kid with my Dad. It was his thing because he was hick. (Not a redneck)

He was genetically predisposed to do things that rednecks go out of their way to do.

Back to the point.

Unless I'm forced to, I don't hunt, but I can and would if it became survival. Same with fishing.

Guns though. They are as American as apple pie.

[240 is Back]

LOL these inbred hillbillies just look worse and worse, the more airtime they get.


obama should be paying these fcksticks to keep portraying repubs in such a negative light.

[mr.turbo]

All this more likely to be hurt by a gun in the home is a pure horseshit stat.  It is very narrow, "more likely to be killed than to kill with a gun in the house" was the original study.  Very flawed methodology, deliberately so.  It did not account for using a gun to warn an intruder off rather than killing them or injuring them.  It also included thing like suicides.  I think the guy who did the study also said he included instances where the intruder Himself brought the gun into the house but left that fact out.  Very bullshit.  Most people hear of that "stat" in some bastardized exaggerated form like here and think it is true.  It is not.

this one?

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

as the resident gun expert I'm inclined to follow up on such matters.

[TuHolmes]

as the resident gun expert I'm inclined to follow up on such matters.

Oh brother.

 

Only gun expert to never fire a gun.

[timfogarty]

Your little theory works great and all until you realize that the majority of the United States is still rural

"The urban areas of the United States for the 2010 Census contain 249,253,271 people, representing 80.7% of the population, and rural areas contain 59,492,276 people, or 19.3% of the population."


the discussion was what Coach would do vs what I would do.  We both live in the same urban area.  

It makes no sense to deprive anyone else of their right to defend themself just because you can have the police there in an instant on speed dial in your urban environment.

I have never called for confiscation of guns.  the issue was also what risk you would expose your children or others to. I would not want a gun in my house because the risk of accidental shooting and attempted suicides is too great.

and from http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2172

3.7 million burglaries each year, 28% of those were when someone was home, 7% there was a victim of violence.

But here is the thing: Offenders were know to their victims in 65% of violent burglaries.

[Yamcha]

[240 is Back]

who was the misinformed person that said they took over an abandoned building?

they're currently camped out in the office of a biologist Dr Sherry, who cannot go to work because they're eating pizza and sleeping in her office. 

They are printing new govt letterhead, planning on how to slide up these public lands between their corporate friends.  Their bodyguard "buddha" just bailed on them.  they're a confused mess.  this is all about profit.

[Tapeworm]

All red in the face and shaking like a bowl of jelly - the fat guy always gives out first.

[SF1900]

who was the misinformed person that said they took over an abandoned building?

they're currently camped out in the office of a biologist Dr Sherry, who cannot go to work because they're eating pizza and sleeping in her office. 

They are printing new govt letterhead, planning on how to slide up these public lands between their corporate friends.  Their bodyguard "buddha" just bailed on them.  they're a confused mess.  this is all about profit.

Link?

[240 is Back]

rawstory.com is all over it.

now I hear one of the protesters took the donation money and went drinking.  Truth?

FBI are letting them come and go, just following the leadership.  Media is having a field day tailing them, seeing what they're up to.