CTer ALERT!!! Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS'

[240 is Back]

Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS'
CNN

Biloxi, Mississippi (CNN)Donald Trump on Saturday said the policies of President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "created ISIS," the furthest the GOP front-runner has gone in tying the Obama administration's policies to the rise of the terror group.

Trump offered no evidence for his claim here at the Mississippi Coast Coliseum, in which he also said escalating tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia were signs that the Islamic Republic wanted to take over the longtime U.S. ally in the Middle East.

"They've created ISIS. Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama," Trump said.

[WOOO]

George Bush created ISIS.

[headhuntersix]

Ok woo...explain please. ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was released by Obama in 2009. Some dispute if it was him or not but regardless had 10K troops stayed in Iraq we would not be having this discussion.

[WOOO]

The invasion of Iraq by Jr destabilized the Middle East as a whole triggering the Islamic state, the Kurdish fight for independence, the Arab spring, the Syrian civil war, et cetera.

The US is a terrorist state. It causes nothing but harm in the world due to its blind Christian "divine right" foreign policy optics.

[TuHolmes]

The invasion of Iraq by Jr destabilized the Middle East as a whole triggering the Islamic state, the Kurdish fight for independence, the Arab spring, the Syrian civil war, et cetera.

The US is a terrorist state. It causes nothing but harm in the world due to its blind Christian "divine right" foreign policy optics.

Please explain this.

I would like to understand what "Christianity" had to do with the invasion of Iraq.

Not defending the invasion. I was against it from jump. However, what does Christianity have to do with it?

[WOOO]

The leadership justification was financial 100%. The social backing was 100% religious intolerance masked by fake agreement with fake evidence of terrorism.

America has been crusading against Islam since the end of ww2.

[andreisdaman]

Actually the Gulf states and Maliki created ISIS

[TuHolmes]

The leadership justification was financial 100%. The social backing was 100% religious intolerance masked by fake agreement with fake evidence of terrorism.

America has been crusading against Islam since the end of ww2.

How can you say this when for sure they majority of the US had no issue with Islam before 9/11

This anti-islam stuff is a direct relation to things since then. Even the original Gulf War was purely about oil and backing your allies.

I would have to disagree with your statement that since WW2 this has occurred.

[WOOO]

How can you say this when for sure they majority of the US had no issue with Islam before 9/11

This anti-islam stuff is a direct relation to things since then. Even the original Gulf War was purely about oil and backing your allies.

I would have to disagree with your statement that since WW2 this has occurred.

Were you born in the 80s?  GnRs One in a Million gives you an example... The world trade centre bombing, the Rushdie affair and the gulf war are examples of incidents which generated a profound anti Muslim response socially.

What's changed in the last 10 years is the amount of new immigrants in the US practicing Islam.

The history of islamophobia is inherently intertwined with the rise of the notion of anti-semitism following ww2 through the founding of the state of Israel.

[TuHolmes]

Were you born in the 80s?  GnRs One in a Million gives you an example... The world trade centre bombing, the Rushdie affair and the gulf war are examples of incidents which generated a profound anti Muslim response socially.

What's changed in the last 10 years is the amount of new immigrants in the US practicing Islam.

The history of islamophobia is inherently intertwined with the rise of the notion of anti-semitism following ww2 through the founding of the state of Israel.

I'm probably older than you.

And no... Those incidents almost did nothing to generate Anti-Muslim responses to be honest.

It wasn't until after 9/11 that Muslims started changing their names because of the public outcry.

Sorry, but what you are saying doesn't jive with what was going on at the time. It's just not true.

[WOOO]

American history is written differently outside of America.

[WOOO]

If you feel like an interesting read

http://www.lifeintheusa.com/religion/islamophobia.htm

[WOOO]

Another regarding Jewish influence through Hollywood

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n5p-2_Sindi.html

[TuHolmes]

American history is written differently outside of America.

Perhaps, but being in America means I get to see it for my own eyes.

If you feel like an interesting read

http://www.lifeintheusa.com/religion/islamophobia.htm

I'll read it, but again, as a person who lives inside of the country, I feel I am completely adequate to understand what's going on inside of the country.

[headhuntersix]

Were you born in the 80s?  GnRs One in a Million gives you an example... The world trade centre bombing, the Rushdie affair and the gulf war are examples of incidents which generated a profound anti Muslim response socially.

What's changed in the last 10 years is the amount of new immigrants in the US practicing Islam.

The history of islamophobia is inherently intertwined with the rise of the notion of anti-semitism following ww2 through the founding of the state of Israel.

The gulf war?....Saddam was friggen Bathist...barely muslim. You basically just disqualified yourself from any further discussions on this with your bullshit ct crap.

[WOOO]

The gulf war?....Saddam was friggen Bathist...barely muslim. You basically just disqualified yourself from any further discussions on this with your bullshit ct crap.

Arabs are Muslims to Americans. They do not understand the difference on the whole.... Hell they think some Hindus are Muslims....

[TuHolmes]

Arabs are Muslims to Americans. They do not understand the difference on the whole.... Hell they think some Hindus are Muslims....

That is very simplified.

Most US citizens do understand the difference... Picking the dumbest statements doesn't equate to the United States as a whole.

[Kazan]

Arabs are Muslims to Americans. They do not understand the difference on the whole.... Hell they think some Hindus are Muslims....

Actually the Sikh's wear turbans not Hindus. Which is I am sure where you are going with that.

[absfabs]

George Bush created ISIS.

no he did not

[andreisdaman]

no he did not

I don't believe he did either........I wish people wouldn't say that

[WOOO]

Actually the Sikh's wear turbans not Hindus. Which is I am sure where you are going with that.

Yes. I left that as an idiot trap.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_and_Sikhism

Sikhism is a recent sect of Hinduism.

I work 6 to 8 months a year in India.

[TuHolmes]

Yes. I left that as an idiot trap.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_and_Sikhism

Sikhism is a recent sect of Hinduism.

I work 6 to 8 months a year in India.

Do you go to the Sikh Temples?

I have... more than once.

As far as religions are concerned, they are one of the better to be honest.

[WOOO]

I'm anti theistic and nihilistic by nature.

I don't spend my time in that way.

[TuHolmes]

I'm anti theistic and nihilistic by nature.

I don't spend my time in that way.

One of my friends is a Sikh... his family invited me to go. It was important so I said yes.

No problem there.

[WOOO]

I don't believe he did either........I wish people wouldn't say that

A solid read
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/did-george-w-bush-create-isis


Ironically it doesn't address the key issue.

The invasion of Iraq in 2003 was completely unjustified. It was illegal. Many war crimes were committed.