Are people that brainwashed they dont even stop and question their religion?

[Radical Plato]

Dude......

Not that I don't appreciate the sentiment Shizzo. 

[johnnynoname]

I'm gonna come in with a non sequitor statement

I didn't follow any replies here

that aside- I think people totally forget that "religion" and the notion of a "higher power" ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE


You don't have to subscribe to Showtime to be able to watch Homeland....

[Necrosis]

I would say there is a finite math that's possible to calculate, maybe even use it however you want from then on, control, influence and shape, create new forms of being. The meaning itself may be in the being and experiencing. It's universe experiencing itself.

Do you mean about the universe, describing it all? or genentics, I agree with the genetics, it works like a drop down menu once we figure it out. Why would our dna be like pokemon though? what can be created from particular encoding? it's insanely interesting.

There cannot be for the universe, Godel's work, while incomplete showed at it's core inherent uncertainty (unprovable possibilty) exists.

I can dig the last sentence, I often wonder if after enough 1%'s can we become god or a universe? if the multiverse is real, what possibilities exist? if the universe we exist in is roughly 14billion years, is i possible a 1 trillion year old universe exists? one not consumed by entropy? if so, the shit would look like magic.

[da_vinci]

I honestly think finding what absorbs you, in that state where time, the outside world and you drift away.

Sounds like.................... ..........being in love 

[Radical Plato]

Do you mean about the universe, describing it all?

There cannot be, Godel's work, while incomplete showed at it's core inherent uncertainty (unprovable possibilty) exists.

I can dig the last sentence, I often wonder if after enough 1%'s can we become god or a universe? if the multiverse is real, what possibilities exist? if the universe we exist in is roughly 14billion years, is i possible a 1 trillion year old universe exists? one not consumed by entropy? if so, the shit would look like magic.

So isn't that a paradox, aren't you in effect saying that uncertainty is a certainty.

And wouldn't the religious call such a place "HEAVEN" when describing a 1 trillion year old universe, one not consumed by entropy that looked like magic. If by entropy you mean the inevitable and steady deterioration of a system.

Forgive me if I am way off course, you guys are getting deep, probably too deep for me.

[Radical Plato]

Sounds like.................... ..........being in love 

Or............................... having a good wank

[Necrosis]

So isn't that a paradox, aren't you in effect saying that uncertainty is a certainty.

And wouldn't the religious call such a place "HEAVEN" when describing a 1 trillion year old universe, one not consumed by entropy that looked like magic. If by entropy you mean the inevitable and steady deterioration of a system.

Forgive me if I am way off course, you guys are getting deep, probably too deep for me.

Yes a logical and objective paradox, but a provable one! I was referencing his incompleteness theorem with his work while incomplete, that's the first problem the second problem is the answer (another cool person joke ). Basically there are true things about numbers or systems which are true but unprovable, and that any system where this is true cannot demonstrate consistency.

The reference to magic was in line with Clarke's third law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

Clarke's third law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

I wouldn't suggest it is heaven, which is a personal place for believers in this universe amongst the grand creator and all your relatives, jeebus..

Would someone with sufficient intelligence, perhaps the ability to manipulate physics, harness the sun (read about dyson spheres, and Kardashev scale) want to create life and become god like? I can dig that, we can surmise, this is the source of religion as we know it, the inherent uncertainty, there is no good reason to believe in the bible or any other myth is what it boils down to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

[Necrosis]

Sounds like.................... ..........being in love 

In the depths of my existential thoughts I have arrived that the thing which may transcend everything (like gravity in interstellar) as there is something which cannot be proven (godel's logical analogy) but exists, I often feel it's love.

Love is the point.

[johnnynoname]

Oh copy/paste and religion/god threads


how I missed thee

[da_vinci]

See when people say deep shit like that I feel I almost understand it on an unconscious level, but then I am like what the fuck, it borders on genius/insanity, but then I realise I have no conscious idea what you are saying.  Can you dumb that down for those of us who have probably knocked off more than their fair share of neurons.

What I mean is... we, human beings, try to understand life and universe, at it's core we are doing math, calculations, our thoughts are math at their core, you know the zeroes and unos, but here lies a paradox - we try to calculate the calculations by using these same calculations! We are vibrations, and these vibrations try to calculate itself by using these same vibrations, in other words. What does it mean? Maybe a consciousness of the universe as a whole? First it's a singular dot, an energy, everything, all the numbers in one place, then it explodes so just to be able to "look" at itself from a far, a process of universe experienceing itself in various forms and ways as - WE are the universe, the same, not some alien matter from "outside". Maybe that's the whole meaning - to be, to experience states, (doubt may be one of these states to experience in this physical shape that we were destined to become). To be - quite a meaning by itself if you think about it. If there's no "be" - there's nothing. And if you are - you experience. We are the extension of everything and everything is an extension of us. Thus if you say "I am" it is the universe that says "I am" and whole universe is just one happening. And if there's no "begining" or "end" (in our human/animal terms) - then it's just that one infinite happening, only now, that continues and continues. This process probably goes on and on, in and out, the duality, the "quantum wave", a vibration, and if it's a vibration it's dual, on-off, the same principle probably applies for an expanding and contracting universe..
 But once it's all calculated (by super intelligence for ex that we are developing in AI form) it is finite, you solve the equation and theres nothing more to calculate, because there's nothing "outside", no such thing, it's all there is, there can't be anything more that there is.

I guess I should stop here  

[da_vinci]

Do you mean about the universe, describing it all? or genentics, I agree with the genetics, it works like a drop down menu once we figure it out. Why would our dna be like pokemon though? what can be created from particular encoding? it's insanely interesting.

There cannot be for the universe, Godel's work, while incomplete showed at it's core inherent uncertainty (unprovable possibilty) exists.

I can dig the last sentence, I often wonder if after enough 1%'s can we become god or a universe? if the multiverse is real, what possibilities exist? if the universe we exist in is roughly 14billion years, is i possible a 1 trillion year old universe exists? one not consumed by entropy? if so, the shit would look like magic.

I was referring to the universes math. And... I guess we actuall ARE universe already, a "god", because.... what else can we be that a universe if we are the universe. lol it's repetitive. These billions of years are proably being counted from the last cycle of contraction-expansion. Everything is dual in universe.

[Radical Plato]

Yes a logical and objective paradox, but a provable one! I was referencing his incompleteness theorem with his work while incomplete, that's the first problem the second problem is the answer (another cool person joke ). Basically there are true things about numbers or systems which are true but unprovable, and that any system where this is true cannot demonstrate consistency.

The reference to magic was in line with Clarke's third law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

Clarke's third law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

I wouldn't suggest it is heaven, which is a personal place for believers in this universe amongst the grand creator and all your relatives, jeebus..

Would someone with sufficient intelligence, perhaps the ability to manipulate physics, harness the sun (read about dyson spheres, and Kardashev scale) want to create life and become god like? I can dig that, we can surmise, this is the source of religion as we know it, the inherent uncertainty, there is no good reason to believe in the bible or any other myth is what it boils down to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

I can tell you are a deep dude, and further down the path than I.  It never ceases to amaze wherever my head takes me, I soon discover their are many men before me who have trodden the same path.  It's like I discover these deep recesses of my mind that seem completely foreign to me, and I am like WTF is that and then with a little investigating I find some philosopher/artist/psychonaut has already been there done that and is now even further along down the rabbit hole and they are saying come on down, you have got to check this shit out.  Life is like the biggest acid trip you could ever take.

[da_vinci]

In the depths of my existential thoughts I have arrived that the thing which may transcend everything (like gravity in interstellar) as there is something which cannot be proven (godel's logical analogy) but exists, I often feel it's love.

Love is the point.

Maybe...love is the highest of these states one can be in? Who knows... but you certainly do NOT question meaning of life when you are in that state, it seems to be self evident. Mind blowing eh?

[Necrosis]

What I mean is... we, human beings, try to understand life and universe, at it's core we are doing math, calculations, our thoughts are math at their core, you know the zeroes and unos, but here lies a paradox - we try to calculate the calculations by using these same calculations! We are vibrations, and these vibrations try to calculate itself by using these same vibrations, in other words. What does it mean? Maybe a consciousness of the universe as a whole? First it's a singular dot, an energy, everything, all the numbers in one place, then it explodes so just to be able to "look" at itself from a far, a process of universe experienceing itself in various forms and ways as - WE are the universe, the same, not some alien matter from "outside". Maybe that's the whole meaning - to be, to experience states, (doubt may be one of these states to experience in this physical shape that we were destined to become). To be - quite a meaning by itself if you think about it. If there's no "be" - there's nothing. And if you are - you experience. We are the extension of everything and everything is an extension of us. Thus if you say "I am" it is the universe that says "I am" and whole universe is just one happening. And if there's no "begining" or "end" (in our human/animal terms) - then it's just that one infinite happening, only now, that continues and continues. This process probably goes on and on, in and out, the duality, the "quantum wave", a vibration, and if it's a vibration it's dual, on-off, the same principle probably applies for an expanding and contracting universe..
 But once it's all calculated (by super intelligence for ex that we are developing in AI form) it is finite, you solve the equation and theres nothing more to calculate, because there's nothing "outside", no such thing, it's all there is, there can't be anything more that there is.

I guess I should stop here  

Good post, we are made up of star stuff, stars exploded, created planets, we are the very same atoms that once existed in stars, it's objectively true we are a "part" of the universe.

Quantum entanglement indicates the whole thing may be entangled.

[Radical Plato]

What I mean is... we, human beings, try to understand life and universe, at it's core we are doing math, calculations, our thoughts are math at their core, you know the zeroes and unos, but here lies a paradox - we try to calculate the calculations by using these same calculations! We are vibrations, and these vibrations try to calculate itself by using these same vibrations, in other words. What does it mean? Maybe a consciousness of the universe as a whole? First it's a singular dot, an energy, everything, all the numbers in one place, then it explodes so just to be able to "look" at itself from a far, a process of universe experienceing itself in various forms and ways as - WE are the universe, the same, not some alien matter from "outside". Maybe that's the whole meaning - to be, to experience states, (doubt may be one of these states to experience in this physical shape that we were destined to become). To be - quite a meaning by itself if you think about it. If there's no "be" - there's nothing. And if you are - you experience. We are the extension of everything and everything is an extension of us. Thus if you say "I am" it is the universe that says "I am" and whole universe is just one happening. And if there's no "begining" or "end" (in our human/animal terms) - then it's just that one infinite happening, only now, that continues and continues. This process probably goes on and on, in and out, the duality, the "quantum wave", a vibration, and if it's a vibration it's dual, on-off, the same principle probably applies for an expanding and contracting universe..
 But once it's all calculated (by super intelligence for ex that we are developing in AI form) it is finite, you solve the equation and theres nothing more to calculate, because there's nothing "outside", no such thing, it's all there is, there can't be anything more that there is.

I guess I should stop here  

Gee, thanks for dumbing it down for me. 

Maybe I need some acid to understand all that, it sounds like you understand it all.

But where does individual suffering come into all this.

And why is experiencing emotional states such as joy easier to tolerate than misery.

And do you think striated glutes should be a consideration when judging a bodybuilders physique?

[Necrosis]

I can tell you are a deep dude, and further down the path than I.  It never ceases to amaze wherever my head takes me, I soon discover their are many men before me who have trodden the same path.  It's like I discover these deep recesses of my mind that seem completely foreign to me, and I am like WTF is that and then with a little investigating I find some philosopher/artist/psychonaut has already been there done that and is now even further along down the rabbit hole and they are saying come on down, you have got to check this shit out.  Life is like the biggest acid trip you could ever take.

Philosophy is in essence, non-sense, anything others have thought or deduced, can be accessed by introspection. This is the point, use your own mind to come to these revelations, there is nothing special about me or others, IQ refers to speed, anyone with effort can get there.

The smartest of the very smart have no fucking clue what is going on in a sense that we truly know very little, quantum computing may be the next leap which will make more sense of this.

I have been grappling with these issues for as long as I can remember, as a child I would be overcome with the concepts of death, what the fuck are dreams etc. One thing I do know after a life of over thinking, life is best when not-thinking.

[Necrosis]

Maybe...love is the highest of these states one can be in? Who knows... but you certainly do NOT question meaning of life when you are in that state, it seems to be self evident. Mind blowing eh?

You don't, it seems to be the most real.

[Radical Plato]

Philosophy is in essence, non-sense, anything others have thought or deduced, can be accessed by introspection. This is the point, use your own mind to come to these revelations, there is nothing special about me or others, IQ refers to speed, anyone with effort can get there.

The smartest of the very smart have no fucking clue what is going on in a sense that we truly know very little, quantum computing may be the next leap which will make more sense of this.

I have been grappling with these issues for as long as I can remember, as a child I would be overcome with the concepts of death, what the fuck are dreams etc. One thing I do know after a life of over thinking, life is best when not-thinking.

Man you and I are kindred spirits by the sounds of it.  I agree 100% with living a life of over thinking and that life is best when not-thinking.  But fuck me if I can't stop the habit.  And yes, I agree with developing insight by introspection, but I always find it comforting to read about it in a more complete form and by someone more likely smarter than I.  I think I get relief from it because often times I think I am completely mad, as in my circle of friends and family, none of them think like I do, and I mean none of them.  They often times think I am crazy, which I can't blame them for it as I have experienced psychosis twice and been involuntarily admitted on both those occasions (let me tell you I wasn't happy about that, as I was a harmless psychotic  )

I am surrounded by people who are like, just focus on the positive and you think to much.   I respond by saying fuck the positive and you don't think enough. 

[Radical Plato]

Maybe...love is the highest of these states one can be in? Who knows... but you certainly do NOT question meaning of life when you are in that state, it seems to be self evident. Mind blowing eh?

You only begin to question it when you realise the woman you are in love with isn't in love with you, then you ask some BIG FUCKING QUESTIONS. 

[da_vinci]

Gee, thanks for dumbing it down for me.  

Maybe I need some acid to understand all that, it sounds like you understand it all.

But where does individual suffering come into all this.

And why is experiencing emotional states such as joy easier to tolerate than misery.

And do you think striated glutes should be a consideration when judging a bodybuilders physique?

No you don't need anything, you already understand it, because you are the same, from the same, just like me. Individual suffering is a state just as meaningful as joy, because if there is just BE, but no experiencing of states, well then there really would be no point, would it? And if there's joy, there must be sadness, the same duality, vibration, in-out, up-down. I think we probably can't even "kill" oourselves, as there's nothing to kill, we can only change shape/state of being. In our animalistic reality we sweat the begining and end a lot, but there are no such things, there are only now, one massive vibration that generates all that we can see and experience, we are the part of that vibration, we ARE that viration. They say universe is "expanding". no shit t does, just like everything else that accumulates energy for a long time and releases it out, then it starts slowing down, just like an explosion, cooling down, and because universe is all there is (because math ends at the "big bang". and there's no point to ask what was "before") it will swirl slowly (as everything is swirling too, planets, electrons, atoms, etc..) and will start accumulating once again.

I think striated glutes are like that Schroedingers cat - where you look - you find it. If you look for shredded glutes - you find 'em (except if it's Cutler on the stage). This may bring to another point - be careful where you focus your attention to, because consciousness tends to manifest into a shape (like a car for ex. it's consciousness with a shape), besically if these quantum experiments and interpretation are true - we really find what we concentrate on..

That would by my take on this matter.

[da_vinci]

You only begin to question it when you realise the woman you are in love with isn't in love with you, then you ask some BIG FUCKING QUESTIONS. 

Yeah! That's when the state passes and you start to think once again - so what is this all about? Funny

[Radical Plato]

No you don't need anything, you already understand it, because you are the same, from the same, just like me. Individual suffering is a state just as meaningful as joy, because if there is just BE, but no experiencing of states, well then there really would be no point, would it? And if there's joy, there must be sadness, the same duality, vibration, in-out, up-down. I think we probably can't even "kill" oourselves, as there's nothing to kill, we can only change shape/state of being. In our animalistic reality we sweat the begining and end a lot, but there are no such things, there are only now, one massive vibration that generates all that we can see and experience, we are the part of that vibration. They say universe is "expanding". no shit t does, just like everything else that accumulates energy for a long time and releases it out, then it starts slowing down, just like an explosion, cooling down, and because universe is all there is (because math ends at the "big bang". and there's no point to ask what was "before") it will swirl slowly (as everything is swirling too, planets, electrons, atoms, etc..) and will start accumulating once again.

I think striated glutes are like that Schroedingers cat - where you look - you find it. If you look for shredded glutes - you find 'em (except if it's Cutler on the stage). This may bring to another point - be careful where you focus your attention to, because consciousness tends to manifest into a shape (like a car for ex. it's consciousness with a shape), besically if these quantum experiments and interpretation are true - we really find what we concentrate on..

That would by my take on this matter.

Thanks da_vinci, and I like the classic getbigger response at the end, taking the comical question seriously and probably producing some pretty deep wisdom out of it.

[da_vinci]

Thanks da_vinci, and I like the classic getbigger response at the end, taking the comical question seriously and probably producing some pretty deep wisdom out of it.

No biggie, you are not alone, we are all in this shit, we are all the same. I should try acid some time, they say you fully realize that while tripping, that there are no "borders". If you ever decide to "change shape" - well so be it, you won't dissapear anywhere anyway... nor me or anyone else. In light of this thinking holly books and jesus bullshit looks so dam nridiculously hilarious.

[Radical Plato]

No biggie, you are not alone, we are all in this shit, we are all the same. I should try acid some time, they say you fully realize that while tripping, that there are no "borders". If you ever decide to "change shape" - well so be it, you won't dissapear anywhere anyway... nor me or anyone else. In light of this thinking holly books and jesus bullshit looks so dam nridiculously hilariuos.

I take acid every now and again to break things up.  It truly is one of the best drugs ever.  You should try it, it is easy to get on the darknet and because they are essentially tiny little paper tabs it is the easiest drug to receive through the mail that almost NEVER gets intercepted.  I just ordered a fresh batch and will be tripping later this week.  I love to do it on my own and listen to music, music just comes alive on this drug. And I go for long walks in nature.  On acid my whole body sometimes gets really light and I can walk and walk for hours on end with zero fatigue.  And I can laugh for ever while watching something funny when tripping.  And it is unlikely you develop a dependance as you develop an immediate tolerance, so you have to wait at least a week or two before doing it again to achieve the desired effect.  And good acid has virtually no negative comedown, maybe a little insomnia but that's about it.  It's like waking from a pleasant dream as it wears off, that has been my experience although I have had a couple of bad trips, but they aren't as bad as some of the stories I have heard.  Just have to get the dosage right.

[da_vinci]

I take acid every now and again to break things up.  It truly is one of the best drugs ever.  You should try it, it is easy to get on the darknet and because they are essentially tiny little paper tabs it is the easiest drug to receive through the mail that almost NEVER gets intercepted.  I just ordered a fresh batch and will be tripping later this week.  I love to do it on my own and listen to music, music just comes alive on this drug. And I go for long walks in nature.  On acid my whole body sometimes gets really light and I can walk and walk for hours on end with zero fatigue.  And I can laugh for ever while watching something funny when tripping.  And it is unlikely you develop a dependance as you develop an immediate tolerance, so you have to wait at least a week or two before doing it again to achieve the desired effect.

I'm not an addictive type anyway and would not search for a 'relief" so have no worries about dependencies, but I'd certainly would like to try it for "self exploration". Listening to music must be really magic, I'm a huge music fanatic, can only imagine what it would be like. Tried just weed a few times till now, and it was great for the music too. Once a year such a trip probably wouldn't hurt anyone.