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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/05/obama-executive-action-on-guns-to-require-background-checks-for-more-sales.html

1/5/2015
President Obama on Tuesday will formally announce plans to expand background checks and make other changes to America's gun rules via executive action‎, going around Congress and fueling allegations of executive overreach.


At the centerpiece of Obama's plan is a more sweeping definition of gun dealers that the administration hopes will expand the number of gun sales subject to background checks. At gun shows, websites and flea markets, sellers often skirt that requirement by declining to register as licensed dealers, but officials said new federal guidance would clarify that it applies to anyone "in the business" of selling firearms.

Obama's actions, detailed by the White House Monday, mark a renewed bid by the president to enact gun control measures with or without Congress.

Republicans accused the president of going too far, and already have threatened to fight the new measures by withholding DOJ funding. The guidance, though, aims to achieve a long-time administration goal of at least narrowing the so-called gun show loophole.

Under current law, only federally licensed gun dealers must conduct background checks on buyers, but many who sell guns at flea markets, on websites or in other informal settings don't register as dealers. The ATF has issued updated guidance that says the government can consider someone a gun dealer regardless of where the guns are sold.

In an attempt to prevent gun purchases from falling through the cracks, the FBI will hire 230 more examiners to process background checks, the White House said.

The FBI has a computerized system that can process background checks for many in seconds, but in instances where the FBI needs more time, the government only has three days before prospective buyers can return and buy the gun without being cleared.

Earlier Monday, Obama vowed to press ahead with new executive actions on gun control after meeting with top law enforcement officials, claiming he has the “legal authority” to act – and defying congressional critics who say he’s pursuing a “dangerous” overreach.

The president spoke after meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey and other top officials to review their proposals and finalize his plans.

Obama said their recommendations are “well within my legal authority” and would be supported by “the overwhelming majority of the American people, including gun owners.” 

“The recommendations that are being made by my team here are ones that are entirely consistent with the Second Amendment,” Obama said, claiming they could “potentially save lives.”

The revived push to tighten America’s gun laws via executive action, however, has resulted in a backlash on Capitol Hill and the campaign trail. 

Republicans made clear they would fight the administration and accused the president of overstepping.

"While we don’t yet know the details of the plan, the president is at minimum subverting the legislative branch, and potentially overturning its will,” House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said in a statement. “This is a dangerous level of executive overreach, and the country will not stand for it.”

Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, who chairs a key appropriations panel, warned Lynch on Monday that he would “use every tool at my disposal to immediately restrict” DOJ funding if the department proceeds with “new restrictions on our Constitutional rights.”

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump vowed to reverse any such actions if he’s elected.

"We're not changing the Second Amendment," Trump said Saturday at a campaign rally in Biloxi, Miss. "I will veto that. I will un-sign that so fast."

While Obama took heat from Republicans, supporters of stronger action on gun control applauded the president’s new push.

"We definitely think there are things he can do," said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which advocates for expanding background checks. Gross says his recent conversations with White House aides have left him hopeful.

"It's very clear that the White House is feeling emboldened," he said.

Obama announced the meeting with Lynch in his weekly address from his Hawaii holiday vacation. On Thursday, he'll take his argument to prime time, participating in a town hall discussion of gun violence on CNN. He's slated to make his case for changes in his State of the Union address on Jan. 12.

The high-profile rollout reflects a White House continuing to look for ways to wrap up unfinished business despite an uncooperative Congress.

After all but ignoring the issue in his first term, Obama changed course after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in December 2012. Nevertheless, the president failed to push a package of gun measures through Congress, including one expanding background checks.

At the same time, Obama took nearly two dozen executive actions to tighten gun laws, but left a major expansion of background checks out of the mix.

But after the shooting at a community college in Roseburg, Ore. in October, Obama ordered his staff to redouble the effort to look for ways to work around Congress.

Under current law, federally licensed firearms dealers are required to seek background checks on potential firearm purchasers. But advocacy groups say many sellers are currently exempt from having to register, increasing the chance of sales to customers prohibited by law from purchasing a gun.
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Pheew, I feel so much safer knowing criminals will go through background checks to get their guns now.
Thanks Obama
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Pheew, I feel so much safer knowing criminals will go through background checks to get their guns now.
Thanks Obama

Well, I am assuming this is meant for people who ALREADY have a criminal background, who are trying to buy guns from a gunshow. Not someone who is not yet a criminal, but may become one. I agree that if someone wants to engage in criminal activity, they are going to find a way to obtain a gun.
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More political non-sense that will accomplish nothing. My question is when does the tipping point hit where .gov says we have exhausted all means, now we must ban firearms
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More political non-sense that will accomplish nothing. My question is when does the tipping point hit where .gov says we have exhausted all means, now we must ban firearms

Question:

why do you put a period in front of gov? ".gov?"
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Question:

why do you put a period in front of gov? ".gov?"



There is a reason for it.

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There is a reason for it.

Well, I know many federal webpages end with ".gov" I am just trying to figure out if there is a deeper meaning behind it, since he uses it here.
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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2016, 12:47:17 PM »
Fuck him. No one listens to him anyway...lol.

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2016, 12:50:43 PM »
More political non-sense that will accomplish nothing. My question is when does the tipping point hit where .gov says we have exhausted all means, now we must ban firearms

I suspect the government may eventually try to do that. I mean, I don't think it will actually ever happen, but I bet they try. Eventually, you will only be able to own a 2" pocket knife.
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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2016, 12:52:34 PM »
What is the point of having a Congress?  Seriously, every time Bahama proposes a new bill and Congress votes it down, he always "executive actions" it.  So what is the point?  Should the POTUS have this much power?   ???

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2016, 12:57:37 PM »
What is the point of having a Congress?  Seriously, every time Bahama proposes a new bill and Congress votes it down, he always "executive actions" it.  So what is the point?  Should the POTUS have this much power?   ???

He doesn't have that much power, it happens because we the people allow it to happen.
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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2016, 12:58:59 PM »
What is the point of having a Congress?  Seriously, every time Bahama proposes a new bill and Congress votes it down, he always "executive actions" it.  So what is the point?  Should the POTUS have this much power?   ???
Pretty sure a veto is not a new thing. Google 'pocket veto,' ace. 

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 12:59:36 PM »
why are people against background checks?  Shouldn't it already be happening by default?

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2016, 12:59:49 PM »
I suspect the government may eventually try to do that. I mean, I don't think it will actually ever happen, but I bet they try. Eventually, you will only be able to own a 2" pocket knife.

Who would have ever thought prohibition would have happened? But it did, of course like just about everything .gov does, all it did was create a huge black market and backfire on them. Al Capone loved the shit out of prohibition.
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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2016, 01:05:43 PM »
Pretty sure a veto is not a new thing. Google 'pocket veto,' ace. 

I'm not talking about veto power, I'm talking about executive action. 

Mandatory background checks were already proposed by Obama.  The Senate voted it down.  Which leads us to where we are now.  Obama is unhappy that they voted it down, so he says, "Fuck it, I'll just executive action it!" 

Kind of seems like a mild dictatorship.  POTUS proposes bills, and if they pass, he's happy.  If they don't pass, he just executive actions them.  Either way, he's going to get what he wants. 

 ???

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2016, 01:07:29 PM »
I'm not talking about veto power, I'm talking about executive action. 

Mandatory background checks were already proposed by Obama.  The Senate voted it down.  Which leads us to where we are now.  Obama is unhappy that they voted it down, so he says, "Fuck it, I'll just executive action it!" 

Kind of seems like a mild dictatorship.  POTUS proposes bills, and if they pass, he's happy.  If they don't pass, he just executive actions them.  Either way, he's going to get what he wants. 

 ???
Yeah. Kinda like Dick Cheney. What are ya gonna do?

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2016, 01:08:48 PM »
I never understood how this guy ended up with Katy Perry.



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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2016, 01:11:22 PM »

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2016, 01:22:37 PM »
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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2016, 01:26:27 PM »
did someone say guns?

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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2016, 01:27:24 PM »
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Re: Obama executive action on guns to require background checks for more sales
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2016, 01:30:22 PM »
why are people against background checks?  Shouldn't it already be happening by default?

i'm a British national with forgiven military service(Israel), I sound English and look like i could be Arabic.

I visited my gf's family in Memphis 2 months ago, gun shop offered to sell me a small arsenal that i'd be allowed to take home that same day, as long as i left my driver's license for an eventual background check. If i was keen on a suicide run they'd be loads of dead folks in a some shitty Walmart. That's fucking mental