Sean Penn meeting El Chapo in October Picture-Very interesting article

[Dave D]

Enough people kill themselves with alcohol, tobacco and painkillers. Get over the initial excitement and eventually the message "don't fuck yourself over" will come through. As it is, these drugs are widely available and wildly overpirced - and illegal/mixed with fuck knows. Get it all out there, you won't see the dow or S&P fall anyway.

Dont forget the war on drugs is also a billion dollar industry (at least for the US), from law making, law enforcement and the prison system. Plus it gives America the "right to bully" other smaller nations, so we can do our biding under the guise of dismantling drug traffickers.

You have to believe pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol companies only see dollar signs when it deals with legalizing these substances, and with all their money the fact that it isn't close to becoming a reality says much.

[Never1AShow]

Enough people kill themselves with alcohol, tobacco and painkillers. Get over the initial excitement and eventually the message "don't fuck yourself over" will come through. As it is, these drugs are widely available and wildly overpirced - and illegal/mixed with fuck knows. Get it all out there, you won't see the dow or S&P fall anyway.

Stuff like meth, ice and cocaine base or crack are unbelievably addicting but also stimulate in ways alcohol and opiates do not.  Opiates are also a huge problem even though they are medically controlled.  How does legalizing work?  Is it prescribed and dosages monitored by doctors?  Who pays for all those junkies sitting around doing nothing but drugs?  I think the numbers would go up if it were legalized.  I think maybe for every dead gangbanger we have shot in the current war in drugs there would be at least ten dead junkies from ODs.

[Never1AShow]

Dont forget the war on drugs is also a billion dollar industry (at least for the US), from law making, law enforcement and the prison system. Plus it gives America the "right to bully" other smaller nations, so we can do our biding under the guise of dismantling drug traffickers.

You have to believe pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol companies only see dollar signs when it deals with legalizing these substances, and with all their money the fact that it isn't close to becoming a reality says much.

I see MJ as different in kind than the other stuff.  Stoners aren't really junkies, they just lose initiative and are apathetic in their own lives.  I was speaking to a person at a party recently who works for a big alcohol distributor.  She said the hot topic now in that industry is whether to distribute MJ and if it will be offered in liquid forms and how that will affect the booze.

[TuHolmes]

Really?  Is this still a job that he still does? How often is his life in danger?

Is it safe to assume watching a drug lords children would seem to be very hazardous?

He doesn't do it any longer as the children are all adults. (You've seen the instagram of El Chapo Jr. perhaps) As they are all grown adults, his position was effectively eliminated.

He has told me numerous stories about issues other cartels had and things he's had to do to keep them safe back when he was traveling with them across boarders.

[Dave D]

Stuff like meth, ice and cocaine base or crack are unbelievably addicting but also stimulate in ways alcohol and opiates do not.  Opiates are also a huge problem even though they are medically controlled.  How does legalizing work?  Is it prescribed and dosages monitored by doctors?  Who pays for all those junkies sitting around doing nothing but drugs?  I think the numbers would go up if it were legalized.  I think maybe for every dead gangbanger we have shot in the current war in drugs there would be at least ten dead junkies from ODs.

Who pays for these issues we have now? Who pays for the method lab house fire? Who pays for the medical bills of the corner hustler that gets shot and robbed? Who pays to keep the methadone clinic open in your community?

I wasn't saying legalizing these drugs was the answer, I'm not sure it is. I meant the system we have already have in place makes a lot of money/generates power for the people in charge. I now know more people  addicted to legal prescription drugs than street drugs.

Convincing  the general public the benefits of legalized drugs, after a LIFETIME of being warned against them, would be a huge hurdle. Realistic what percentage of the population rotinely uses these drugs, and out of that what percentage would be considered addicts? I'm assuming it's less than 25%? Even if it was 50% of the population how many are showing up to vote to pass the issue?

[Dave D]

He doesn't do it any longer as the children are all adults. (You've seen the instagram of El Chapo Jr. perhaps) As they are all grown adults, he doesn't do it any longer.

He has told me numerous stories about issues other cartels had and things he's had to do to keep them safe back when he was traveling with them across boarders.

Thats fascinating.

 It's even more shocking that he was released from general service. The kids would be one of the most prized "possessions". If he was trusted with their well being you'd think they'd make room for him in another area, or otherwise see him as a potential liability.

Thanks for sharing, because of the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon I now feel like I'm 3 people removed from El Chapo.

[TuHolmes]

Thats fascinating.

 It's even more shocking that he was released from general service. The kids would be one of the most prized "possessions". If he was trusted with their well being you'd think they'd make room for him in another area, or otherwise see him as a potential liability.

Thanks for sharing, because of the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon I now feel like I'm 3 people removed from El Chapo.

He just decided he wanted out... El Chapo was perfectly ok with it. No harm no foul.

[Never1AShow]

Who pays for these issues we have now? Who pays for the method lab house fire? Who pays for the medical bills of the corner hustler that gets shot and robbed? Who pays to keep the methadone clinic open in your community?

I wasn't saying legalizing these drugs was the answer, I'm not sure it is. I meant the system we have already have in place makes a lot of money/generates power for the people in charge. I now know more people  addicted to legal prescription drugs than street drugs.

Convincing  the general public the benefits of legalized drugs, after a LIFETIME of being warned against them, would be a huge hurdle. Realistic what percentage of the population rotinely uses these drugs, and out of that what percentage would be considered addicts? I'm assuming it's less than 25%? Even if it was 50% of the population how many are showing up to vote to pass the issue?

I'd think more than 50 percent of all meth users and heroin users are addicts.  If legalized I think that would at least double, at least.  We aren't really differing.  I think the costs would still be much higher than what we have to pay now.

One problem is that even though many urge "rehab" as the solution, rehab doesn't really work.  It has a ridiculously high failure rate.  So you end up with a problem where you'd need to spend a hundred grand or more per addict trying to get them clean and there just isn't that kind of money, especially when you can spend 10 grand on 10 innocent young kids helping them out much more.

Of course, I do not believe that in this modern day when we can put a man on the moon and do all kinds of tech and medical stuff that we cannot cure addiction, not rehab, I mean a real cure.  Some kind of shot or implant or something that makes drugs not work and no cravings.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Funny thing is no one ever forces you to take drugs.  It's a personal choice.  the gov that seems to be so much about freedom want to dictate what you can willingly take or do.

[Yamcha]

I'd think more than 50 percent of all meth users and heroin users are addicts.  If legalized I think that would at least double, at least. 

[Fortress]

Math's tough.

P.S. El Fappo is a twink midget with epic skinny-fat genes. Hope he suffers a major aneurysm and collapses into some cow dung.

[Never1AShow]

Obviously this means the current number of addicts would double not the percentage.  Only aspies assume something that literal.

[SquidVicious]

Now that Chapo's put a hit out on Penn, you can expect him to go incognito again.

[Nether Animal]

Some kind of shot or implant or something that makes drugs not work and no cravings.

It exists for opiates: http://luxury.rehabs.com/naltrexone-vivitrol/implant-for-opiate-addiction/


 

[Yamcha]

Obviously this means the current number of addicts would double not the percentage.  Only aspies assume something that literal.

whatever you say butthole eyes

[Radical Plato]

[Radical Plato]

I just realised the whole thing is a ruse, El Chapo has been intelligent enough to stay alive to the age of 61 in the most ruthless business in the world, he is reported to have many doubles and is very well connected, not to mention a billionaire.  What would the ideal situation be for El Chapo, to have the world believe he has been captured and imprisoned again.  Everyone's happy and he can semi retire while still pulling the strings from behind the scenes.  I think the real giveaway will be if there is no retribution for Sean Penn.  Some theorised that the El Chapo was never in prison in the first place, and it was just one of his body doubles that was in there.

[Parker]

I see MJ as different in kind than the other stuff.  Stoners aren't really junkies, they just lose initiative and are apathetic in their own lives.  I was speaking to a person at a party recently who works for a big alcohol distributor.  She said the hot topic now in that industry is whether to distribute MJ and if it will be offered in liquid forms and how that will affect the booze.

An addict is an addict, and a junkie is a junkie. No matter how you slice it or want to downplay it. Westerners and their drug addictions, smh.

[Radical Plato]

An addict is an addict, and a junkie is a junkie. No matter how you slice it or want to downplay it. Westerners and their drug addictions, smh.

Stereotypes
"Because the [people] that don’t know [about drugs], they talk about drug use as being simply like a, b and c. What the f*ck? That’s like saying people are simply a, b and c."  Dr. Carl Hart

You are a typical ignoarmus, using your shaming language to judge people you don't even know. What gives you the right to treat people as second class citizens who use substances that you happen to have been brainwashed into believing are evil. Please tell us about your extensive personal experience with addictive drugs, or where you recieved your PhD on drug addiction.  You sound like a real expert.  Westerners and their ignorance and smug belief they know better.

You want to get some insight and an awareness of what a wanker you are, take the time to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about.

Building Tolerance
"Folks [who are] tolerant of marijuana-related effects, they could smoke a joint, be high, and perform cognitively at the same level as someone who was not high." - Dr. Carl Hart

The Reality behind Withdrawals
"When we think about marijuana withdrawal, it’s certainly not life-threatening, but it can be irritating...We get withdrawal from caffeine; it’s not a big deal, but it’s real." - Dr. Carl Hart

Current Criteria for Addiction
"Tolerance can be a criterion; withdrawal symptoms can be a criterion. So it’s no big deal whether a drug is “addictive” or not; it’s how your use of it compares to everything else." - Dr. Carl Hart

On Legal Heroin
"You have to have a corresponding increase in education—proper education...when we think about heroin, people always talk about heroin overdoses. That’s so rare, it’s not even worth talking about" - Dr. Carl Hart

The Bottom Line
"Why [are] we, as a field, so politically motivated and not data-driven?"

[Never1AShow]

No one ever addresses meth.  No way to legalize that without crazy number of hyped up addicts everywhere and dropping like flies on the streets.  H is a downer.

[Never1AShow]

I just realised the whole thing is a ruse, El Chapo has been intelligent enough to stay alive to the age of 61 in the most ruthless business in the world, he is reported to have many doubles and is very well connected, not to mention a billionaire.  What would the ideal situation be for El Chapo, to have the world believe he has been captured and imprisoned again.  Everyone's happy and he can semi retire while still pulling the strings from behind the scenes.  I think the real giveaway will be if there is no retribution for Sean Penn.  Some theorised that the El Chapo was never in prison in the first place, and it was just one of his body doubles that was in there.

I said this yesterday in the other El Chapo thread.  The guy in the hotel room doesn't look like the real El Chapo.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I just realised the whole thing is a ruse, El Chapo has been intelligent enough to stay alive to the age of 61 in the most ruthless business in the world, he is reported to have many doubles and is very well connected, not to mention a billionaire.  What would the ideal situation be for El Chapo, to have the world believe he has been captured and imprisoned again.  Everyone's happy and he can semi retire while still pulling the strings from behind the scenes.  I think the real giveaway will be if there is no retribution for Sean Penn.  Some theorised that the El Chapo was never in prison in the first place, and it was just one of his body doubles that was in there.

You're confusing the Saddam Hussein story with El Chapo.

Hey, now you can look like El Chapo since an LA store is selling his famous shirt.

[Radical Plato]

No one ever addresses meth.  No way to legalize that without crazy number of hyped up addicts everywhere and dropping like flies on the streets.  H is a downer.

I am sure it could be better managed with pure gear and working out the best dosage for the individual. Also using other drugs to counter some of the side effects, like downers for sleep etc. The goal is to make them as functional as possible while working towards stopping or at least managing their use.  Still problematic, but their is no perfect solution, so best to work on harm minimisation.

[Pet shop boys]

Wonder if they make those shirts for men

Barabas , Arnold has a few of those shirts .


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[Pet shop boys]

He is 5'6" just like Dexter Jackson  imagine if he was the bodybuilder, and Dexter the drug lord ....




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