Help dialing in TRT

[Mad-scientist]

I'm perscribed 150mgs a week of test e and I take two shots a week at 75mgs monday and 75mgs thursday. I also take 0.35mgs of arimidex on monday and thursday. My total testosterone after being on for about 2 months is over 1500ng/dl the test stops at 1500, and my estrogen is at 10.5 pg/ml. My joints have been killing me and I have been extremely tired so I knew my estrogen was low and thats why I got my blood work done. So my question is what would you guys change my testosterone and arimidex dosage to in order to get my testosterone between  1100-1200 and my estrogen between  25pg/ml to 35pg/ml? Everything else on my test came back great.

[equipoise]

I'm perscribed 150mgs a week of test e and I take two shots a week at 75mgs monday and 75mgs thursday. I also take 0.35mgs of arimidex on monday and thursday. My total testosterone after being on for about 2 months is over 1500ng/dl the test stops at 1500, and my estrogen is at 10.5 pg/ml. My joints have been killing me and I have been extremely tired so I knew my estrogen was low and thats why I got my blood work done. So my question is what would you guys change my testosterone and arimidex dosage to in order to get my testosterone between  1100-1200 and my estrogen between  25pg/ml to 35pg/ml? Everything else on my test came back great.

change to aromasin and experiment. Or you can do test prop 10 mg a day and you might need not an AI with that

[Jizmo]

drop the arimidex
you most likely wont need any AI with 150mg a week, especially split up into two injections (more stable levels and less estrogen conversion vs one injection)
your test levels are probably between 1500-2000, unless youre a hyperresponder. >1500 is pretty good for just 150mg a week.
imo thats a good and HEALTHY range too.
i would just drop the adex and keep everything the same

[Mad-scientist]

Without arimidex my estrogen levels were at 69.9pg/ml when my testosterone levels where at 1172ng/dl and I was developing gyno, that was only 3 weeks into my trt. So I started arimidex at .25mg twice a week and felt like my nipples were still hurting so I upped my arimidex to 0.35 mg for a couple weeks got my levels checked again and testosterone was over 1500ng/dl and my estrogen levels were at 10.5pg/ml. Long story short if I don't us an AI when my testosterone is around 1200 my estrogen is about 69.9pg/ml so I need to use an AI on cycle. Im just trying to figure out how much I need to lower my testosterone from 150mgs a week to get my levels down to 1100 to 1200 from over 1500. Also Im trying to figure out how much I should lower my arimidex dosage to get my estrogen levels between 25 and 35.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Without arimidex my estrogen levels were at 69.9pg/ml when my testosterone levels where at 1172ng/dl and I was developing gyno, that was only 3 weeks into my trt. So I started arimidex at .25mg twice a week and felt like my nipples were still hurting so I upped my arimidex to 0.35 mg for a couple weeks got my levels checked again and testosterone was over 1500ng/dl and my estrogen levels were at 10.5pg/ml. Long story short if I don't us an AI when my testosterone is around 1200 my estrogen is about 69.9pg/ml so I need to use an AI on cycle. Im just trying to figure out how much I need to lower my testosterone from 150mgs a week to get my levels down to 1100 to 1200 from over 1500. Also Im trying to figure out how much I should lower my arimidex dosage to get my estrogen levels between 25 and 35.

I would dose the arimidex the day after injection when levels peak. The ai is prescribed?

[ritch]

change to aromasin and experiment. Or you can do test prop 10 mg a day and you might need not an AI with that

10mg prop per day?
LOL...

yeah, he's gonna draw up 1 fuckin 10th of a cc and waste a full pin, barrel, switch pins again for one fuckin tenth of a cc.

That's the amount that usually gets stuck in the pin in you don't push enough or use an air bubble to get it out it's so small, yet you want him to inject one freaken 10th of a cc???
 

[pestosterone]

10mg prop per day?
LOL...

yeah, he's gonna draw up 1 fuckin 10th of a cc and waste a full pin, barrel, switch pins again for one fuckin tenth of a cc.

That's the amount that usually gets stuck in the pin in you don't push enough or use an air bubble to get it out it's so small, yet you want him to inject one freaken 10th of a cc???
 

I would use the fucking deodorant before I shot 10mgs of prop a day

[Mad-scientist]

The AI is not perscribed it is liquidex by RUI a research lab. My dr didn't want to perscribe me an AI to begin with and I knew my estrogen levels were really high and I was developing gyno so I got on the arimidex. His assistant couldn't draw my blood because I was dehydrated  and I would have had to wait another 1 1/2 to 2 weeks to be able to get on the arimidex he would perscribe me because appointments took so long to get. Once I got my blood tested through a private lab and saw my testosterone levels were at 1172ng/dl and estrogen at 70pg/ml I knew my dr. would want my testosterone around 800 to 900 so I just skipped a dosage before seeing him took 0.25mgs of arimidex and my levels were at 457ng/dl and estrogen was at 23pg/ml and he said those were good TRT results. I just wanted extra testosterone perscribed so I could control what levels I am at and he doesn't, but sadly that leaves me with no perscription AI.

[ritch]

I would use the fucking deodorant before I shot 10mgs of prop a day

Had no idea that existed, cool! Would not rely on it for a boost, just for the fun of saying ya tried it I guess...

[Mad-scientist]

I'm thinking about lowering my testosterone injection to 50 mgs twice a week in order to get my testosterone around 1000ng/dl. And lowering my arimidex to 0.20 twice a week to get my estrogen back in normal ranges. Does that sound like a good place to start from the information I have already given.

[Mad-scientist]

Lol i cant go in my doctors appointment 2 months from now with my test levels at 1500 or I would keep it the same and lower the arimidex.

[Jizmo]

Without arimidex my estrogen levels were at 69.9pg/ml when my testosterone levels where at 1172ng/dl and I was developing gyno, that was only 3 weeks into my trt. So I started arimidex at .25mg twice a week and felt like my nipples were still hurting so I upped my arimidex to 0.35 mg for a couple weeks got my levels checked again and testosterone was over 1500ng/dl and my estrogen levels were at 10.5pg/ml. Long story short if I don't us an AI when my testosterone is around 1200 my estrogen is about 69.9pg/ml so I need to use an AI on cycle. Im just trying to figure out how much I need to lower my testosterone from 150mgs a week to get my levels down to 1100 to 1200 from over 1500. Also Im trying to figure out how much I should lower my arimidex dosage to get my estrogen levels between 25 and 35.

you probably didnt give it enough time to build up at .25mg twice a week
if you have to use an AI for 150 test (100-125 test without AI would have you feeling better libido wise though, i can assure that to you) then use 0.25mg twice a week. id say 0.125 twice a week but theres no way to split the pills into 8 parts

[falco]

In my country, medical TRT regimen consists of one shot of testoviron depot every 2-3 weeks. No need for arimidex.

The amount you are taking more than dobles that dose.

[Jizmo]

In my country, medical TRT regimen consists of one shot of testoviron depot every 2-3 weeks. No need for arimidex.

The amount you are taking more than dobles that dose.

the fact alone that doctors prescribe test E for once every 2 or 3 week injections shows that they have absolutely zero knowledge or credibility regarding these questions. this is a terrible treatment.
test E needs to be injected AT LEAST once a week, period.
 its ridiculous how little knowledge most doctors who can LEGALLY prescribe these drugs actually have.

[equipoise]

10mg prop per day?
LOL...

yeah, he's gonna draw up 1 fuckin 10th of a cc and waste a full pin, barrel, switch pins again for one fuckin tenth of a cc.

That's the amount that usually gets stuck in the pin in you don't push enough or use an air bubble to get it out it's so small, yet you want him to inject one freaken 10th of a cc???
 

Look up john crisler's TRT protocol, you use slin pins and inject subq (

). Of course you don't use a normal needle. It mimics the physiological release of testosterone daily. I have done 15 mg a day and it works well (blood work tested). Short ester minimises estro buildup and less likely to need AI. It's obviously less convenient but if you have the time and energy its the better option imo.

[equipoise]

the fact alone that doctors prescribe test E for once every 2 or 3 week injections shows that they have absolutely zero knowledge or credibility regarding these questions. this is a terrible treatment.
test E needs to be injected AT LEAST once a week, period.
 its ridiculous how little knowledge most doctors who can LEGALLY prescribe these drugs actually have.

From where I come from originally it's nebido (testosterone undecanoate). 2 shots 6 weeks apart followed by 1 shot every 12 weeks

[Jizmo]

From where I come from originally it's nebido (testosterone undecanoate). 2 shots 6 weeks apart followed by 1 shot every 12 weeks

how much do they shoot ? (1 gram every 6 weeks? every 12 weeks? pic below says 750mg in a single injection, thats pretty low for 12 weeks)
in theory the half life of the decanoate ester should suffice (see pic below), but i dont buy into that for us bodybuilders.
imo we metabolize gear faster (because of better blood flow to the muscles, larger muscles, etc).
this obviously does not change the half life of the ester but id still try to get the stuff in every 4 weeks or so...
at day 28 you essentially have 1/3 less testosterone in your system vs at the peak during the first week. i wouldnt want to let it drop down further than that, especially with legit TRT doses.
still a much better choice than E every 2 or 3 weeks if you ask me

[falco]

the fact alone that doctors prescribe test E for once every 2 or 3 week injections shows that they have absolutely zero knowledge or credibility regarding these questions. this is a terrible treatment.
test E needs to be injected AT LEAST once a week, period.
 its ridiculous how little knowledge most doctors who can LEGALLY prescribe these drugs actually have.

So we all should forget what Schering and all european endochrinologists prescribe, and follow your lead?

[Jizmo]

So we all should forget what Schering and all european endochrinologists prescribe, and follow your lead?

do what the fuck you want to do. believe your god in the white coat. i mean hes wearing a stethoscope, that means he must know everything, right?

alternatively you could also use your own brain for a change.

people nowadays are all sheeple. incapable of doing research on DRUGS they inject into their bodies.


im speaking from personal experience here.
both of my grandmas (diabetics) use shitloads of insulin (>150 IU a day, yes you read that right). they have ABSOLUTELY ZERO clue what the fuck theyre doing. they dont know how insulin works. doc told them they HAVE TO eat and HAVE TO inject the shit several times a day. this is their therapy.
no nutritional intervention, nothing. completely plain fucking RETARDED. theyre not even given the appropriate needles or injection sites (4mm needles for subcutaneous injections... they have 20 inches of belly fat, is this a fucking joke? theres so much scar tissue and so little blood flow in their bellies there i doubt the insulin even gets absorbed, it probably takes hours)
works just as expected, both have fasting blood sugar in the 200s and 300s, both are most likely completely insulin resistant and both are falling apart health wise.
nice job, healthcare!


DO YOU REALLY THINK doctors and healthcare give a flying fuck about your health or wellbeing?  
EYE OPENER. they want to sell their shit and get people dependent on it. nothing else.

[Mad-scientist]

After getting on TRT and seeing the ignorance most doctors have towards something as simple as test E half life it makes me really wonder how educated they are in other fields. My Dr refuses to give me HCG and I asked him why and his only responce was " I don't think it works" he didn't even know what it was used for on TRT.

[Mad-scientist]

you probably didnt give it enough time to build up at .25mg twice a week
if you have to use an AI for 150 test (100-125 test without AI would have you feeling better libido wise though, i can assure that to you) then use 0.25mg twice a week. id say 0.125 twice a week but theres no way to split the pills into 8 parts

I have liquid arimidex so i could try that dosage. I skipped taking my arimidex last night should I start up taking it again today and then continue my monday and thursday dosage or should I wait until thursday to take the next dosage. How long do you think it takes for arimidex to fully build up in your system?

[Jizmo]

I have liquid arimidex so i could try that dosage. I skipped taking my arimidex last night should I start up taking it again today and then continue my monday and thursday dosage or should I wait until thursday to take the next dosage. How long do you think it takes for arimidex to fully build up in your system?

youre way overthinking this
0.1mg is not gonna make a difference within a week anyway
just take it from thursday on and see what happens to how you feel
if you feel right get bloodwork and see where ur at

[Mad-scientist]

Your right thanks

[equipoise]

how much do they shoot ? (1 gram every 6 weeks? every 12 weeks? pic below says 750mg in a single injection, thats pretty low for 12 weeks)
in theory the half life of the decanoate ester should suffice (see pic below), but i dont buy into that for us bodybuilders.
imo we metabolize gear faster (because of better blood flow to the muscles, larger muscles, etc).
this obviously does not change the half life of the ester but id still try to get the stuff in every 4 weeks or so...
at day 28 you essentially have 1/3 less testosterone in your system vs at the peak during the first week. i wouldnt want to let it drop down further than that, especially with legit TRT doses.
still a much better choice than E every 2 or 3 weeks if you ask me

This guy was just a GP so I think was following the prescribing guidelines. I did visit an endo once and she was realy knowledgeable, knew about HCG, even knew about using clomid to stimulate the HPTA etc. All this is private of course.

[pestosterone]

Had no idea that existed, cool! Would not rely on it for a boost, just for the fun of saying ya tried it I guess...

My uncle tried it from his dr. It was a giant pain in the ass for him u have to let it dry and it made his underarms sore as hell like raw. But also he is a giant fat pussy so he exaggerates shit and is lazy. So he saw no benefit from it before he gave up