Why isn't everyone on HRT?

[theworm]

I feel tired off and completely unmotivated , no sex drive
Feels horrible!


I'm 6'5 and 240 pounds so I need at least 300 mg a week to replace natural levels...

Actual HRT is 200-400 mg every 2-4 weeks , but that's for the average 150 pound dude

As for sides:  not much.  I use arimidex to prevent gyno and topical ketoconazole to protect against hair loss...

[Brass Balls]

That's all anyone needs really, unless you want to compete why bother I reckon.  Maybe some clen to tidy up for summer or for your new chick.   I wish I could run tren, everyone raves about it, but the one time I tried it the sides messed with me too much.

I love tren but haven't run it in almost 10 years. I never had a problem except the occasional tren cough while injecting. Nothing transforms your body as drastically as tren. I've heard too many bad things so I figured I quit using it before it catches up with me.

[Primemuscle]

It's not that easy to get it legally. A lot of narrow minded docs don't like to give it out. Most docs will not prescribe it even if you fall at the bottom end of "normal" levels. Those that do prescribe it will put you on that shitty androgel or those sublingual tablets. It's tougher than you think trying to get injectable testosterone legally.

Maybe it helps to be an old man.   My urologist is okay with prescribing testosterone. In fact, I am at the point of only having to do labs once a year. Androgel made my nipples more sensitive than they already are....not a good sign. Insurance won't cover Androgel; they do cover testosterone Cypionate.

[Griffith]

I feel tired off and completely unmotivated , no sex drive
Feels horrible!


I'm 6'5 and 240 pounds so I need at least 300 mg a week to replace natural levels...

Actual HRT is 200-400 mg every 2-4 weeks , but that's for the average 150 pound dude

As for sides:  not much.  I use arimidex to prevent gyno and topical ketoconazole to protect against hair loss...

Do you find it effective?

[_aj_]

Do you find it effective?

Who cares. I would rather be jacked and bald than a twink with good hair.

[Dave D]

Who cares. I would rather be jacked and bald than a twink with good hair.

Griffith cares, hence his question.


Also please take a look at Marty Champions thread regarding Dave Mira and his suicide over balding you insensitive clown.

[_aj_]

Griffith cares, hence his question.


Also please take a look at Marty Champions thread regarding Dave Mira and his suicide over balding you insensitive clown.

It's easy to be insensitive to baldness when you are rocking a full head of silver fox hair.   

[BBSSchlemiel]

On 400 test a week,,, I know, it's high, but my point is, I feel damn good:

High energy
High sex drive
Less anxiety
Feel great
Very strong and look fantastic

So why isn't everyone on 2-400 mg test a week?  Pretty side effect free and feel like superman!!

200+ per week is not HRT. Actually most men do fine with 100 mg per week.

That's the real dose for HRT. On the net, HRT = 300 to 1000 mg per week, NOT prescribed by a doctor. Don't forget to jack up levels even further with concomitant HCG.

I've used TRT for fourteen years. First I used gels and for the past two years T cyp at 100 mg per week and now 1000 IU HCG three times per week for fertility, prescribed by a real doc.

[theworm]

200+ per week is not HRT. Actually most men do fine with 100 mg per week.

That's the real dose for HRT. On the net, HRT = 300 to 1000 mg per week, NOT prescribed by a doctor. Don't forget to jack up levels even further with concomitant HCG.

I've used TRT for fourteen years. First I used gels and for the past two years T cyp at 100 mg per week and now 1000 IU HCG three times per week for fertility, prescribed by a real doc.

I use a real doctor as well...

[_aj_]

I use a real doctor as well...

BB's head just exploded.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Even in 10 years, I'd still take the studies that come out with a grain of salt. Hospital doctors are only really starting to get into HRT. And many still wont touch it. Many are still not keeping Test levels steady throughout. If you go on HRT and get your total test levels up to say 800, how far are they dropping before the Dr. gives you another shot? They were shooting once a month. Which was retarded. Are now doing one every two weeks. Which is better but your levels are going to fall off a cliff at the 7 to 9 day mark in most cases with Cyp and Enth. I think the yoyoing of Test levels is where people are going to have problems. But Doctors will never admit to that. Very few are keeping levels the same or close to the same for years at a time. So these studies that will be coming out will not take that into consideration. On Hrt you need a min/ of a shot once a week with Cyp/Enth. Most Doctors aren't prescribing that way. And they certainly weren't 10 years ago when the studies began...And that is most likely the biggest problem...

[deadz]

200+ per week is not HRT. Actually most men do fine with 100 mg per week.

That's the real dose for HRT. On the net, HRT = 300 to 1000 mg per week, NOT prescribed by a doctor. Don't forget to jack up levels even further with concomitant HCG.

I've used TRT for fourteen years. First I used gels and for the past two years T cyp at 100 mg per week and now 1000 IU HCG three times per week for fertility, prescribed by a real doc.

If your fertility isn't going up, drop the test and use 2000iu 3x's a week, win.

[_aj_]

If your fertility isn't going up, drop the test and use 2000iu 3x's a week, win.

2000 iu of what? Growth? HCG?

[deadz]

2000 iu of what? Growth? HCG?

HCG for fertility.

[BBSSchlemiel]

I use a real doctor as well...

Your doc, provided he is not a rogue, prescribes you upwards of 400 mg per week? Your levels can reach into the 4000's with that dose.

[BBSSchlemiel]

If your fertility isn't going up, drop the test and use 2000iu 3x's a week, win.

Thanks.

There has not been a need to drop the T and increase the HCG. My sperm count went from 700,000 on 500 IU twice a week, to 4.5 million with 1000 IU thrice per week. My last T level was 966 and E2 was 47, so I am feeling VERY good, emotionally, mentally, and physically. My fertility might even be better in a few months.

I first started out with HCG mono therapy for 3,000 thrice per week but that had my T value in the mid-300's and I felt VERY bad. TRT + HCG is where it's at for me!

[shootfighter1]

Replacement dose is 80-150mg/wk for the most part. There are some variability between individuals. Levels best regulated with lower dose shot once/wk or even split twice weekly but usually not necessary.  Even every other week makes little sense based on half life of T.  Go to a doctor trained in this if you are 40 and up, there are things to watch and ways to keep risks minimal (less than most other prescriptions).  Most studies say there is a null effect on cardiovascular health, several show lower CVD risk (again this is medically monitored).  Only 2 studies showed a small risk but they used androgel and poor quality retrospective studies.  The one study was a VA study and subjects were old with lots of medical problems and androgel not very well regulated with subjects.  Very low testosterone and very high testosterone have both been shown to increase cardiovascular risk.  Don't risk going the illegal route, too much bad stuff out there, plus you have piece of mind your staying healthy and legal.  As you get older its most important to stay healthy.  

400mg/wk is definitely not medical dosing.

[BigRo]

I am off and will likely stay off. Feel pretty good, balls are very large... repping 140kg on bench, 180kg squats 200 + deadlifts, 100kg military press 18 plus stones body weight 

[Radical Plato]

I am off and will likely stay off. Feel pretty good, balls are very large... repping 140kg on bench, 180kg squats 200 + deadlifts, 100kg military press 18 plus stones body weight 

ROFL

[BigRo]

ah getbig never fails to deliver on fresh positivity!

I have more peace of mind without it.

[Radical Plato]

ah getbig never fails to deliver on fresh positivity!

I have more peace of mind without it.

How long you been off Ro?  And I noticed you said 'likely', just keeping a reservation in case.  Because you know you will be back on the sauce when the grind wears too thin.

[_aj_]

ah getbig never fails to deliver on fresh positivity!

I have more peace of mind without it.

Do you think you'll be able to keep that strength and muscle natty or do you just want to let your size go down?

[BigRo]

a few months now, it was trt levels most of last year since around April.

[BigRo]

Do you think you'll be able to keep that strength and muscle natty or do you just want to let your size go down?

I think this is maintainable, the muscle volume is not the same but thats alright, I was never totally invested in being it.

[_aj_]

I think this is maintainable, the muscle volume is not the same but thats alright, I was never totally invested in being it.

I really like you man. If you are able to stay at 250+ lean pounds with those kinds of lifts totally natty, you'll be my hero. Fingers crossed.