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« on: March 11, 2006, 04:59:54 PM »
How do the supplement companies go about formulating protein powders?  Do they buy from factories or create their own in house? Just curious.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2006, 07:00:50 PM »
there are 3 or 4 major dairy factories that produce and sell raw whey by product

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2006, 11:16:24 PM »
How do the supplement companies go about formulating protein powders?  Do they buy from factories or create their own in house? Just curious.

Not all protein powders are the same. Some use whey, others soy, others egg etc.

While the majority of supplement companies buy in bulk, pray they've gotten what they've ordered, slap their labels on them an ship them out to the public, other supplement companies stand heads and tails above the rest by formulating their own. It's real easy to put together a formula if you can use artificial chocolate flavours, alot of fillers and a lot of junk, or a bunch of sugar in it, you can make a great tasteing shake. It took Synergy's R & D team a year to make their Maximum Protein formula. It tastes great without a lot of the junk you'll see currently out on the market.

Synergy created Synergy Maximum Protein to provide the benefits of high protein in a delicious chocolate beverage mix as a convenient and flexible way to add high quality protein to your diet and supplement program, in order to achieve your desired weight mgmt. and fitness goals. Whey protein is considered the very best protein source for bodybuilders and other athletes, and Synergy's Maximum Protein contains a powerful blend of whey protein isolates and concentrates along with fat-burning and lean-muscle building CLA and Garcinia.

Synergy's Maximun Protein contains 22grams of protein per serving, and uses:
  • Whey Protein
  • Branch Chain Amino Acids
    -Isoleucine
    -Leucine
    -Valine
  • Cocoa
  • Garcinia
  • CLA

Why these ingredients, and what is the benefit for you the consumer?

Isoleucine, Leucine and Valine have been shown to go directly into muscle tissue in higher concentration to help repair and build muscle.

Most proteins are formulated with cheap fillers, loaded with sugar, and other flavouring agents like artificial chocolate flavour to make them taste good.

The Synergy formula uses Cocoa for flavour instead of artificial chocolate flavour, because cocoa contains flavones and flavanols which are immune protective ingredients. It contains Garcinia which is an extract of fruit containing Hydroxycitric acid (HCA). Hydroxycitric acid performs an interesting function in the body. Through enzymatic activity, it inhibits and blocks the absorption and synthesis of fat. It also reduces the appetite and boosts the metabolism,

In animal studies where animals were given hydroxycitric acid and garcinia and given all the food they could possibly eat, they found these animals ate 4% less food. A 4% reduction in food is hardly spectacular, however, in addition to eating 4% less food, this same control group also gained 78% less weight by only eating 4% less food, it showed that it also helped to boost the metabolism of those animals.

Our other ingredient is Conjugated Linoleic acid (CLA)

CLA increases lean muscle tissue, as well as the inhibition of fat storage in Adipocytes (fat cells), through enzymatic activity and works similarly to the garcinia in metabolic function

Studies have shown that increasing CLA in the diet reduces the risk of cancer. In addition to reducing the Cancer risk, CLA protects the cardiovascular system by lowering levels of LDL cholesterol (bad cholesterol) while enhancing and protecting the immune system, and boosting metabolism.

Maximum Protein dissolves easily, mixes nice and frothy simply by shaking, without the fuss, muss, and tedious cleanup required when using a blender. It taste's great, even when mixed only with water, and does not give you the gassy feeling so prevalent with other protein powders. Synergy's Maximum Protein has no sugar added, no aspartame, is a low fat complete protein source, containing all of the essential amino acids required by the body each day. Our formula is great for body-builders, health & fitness enthusiasts, low carb dieters, and as a meal replacement

To purchase Maximum Protein, or get more information about it, feel free to click the link.

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2006, 01:00:37 AM »
1lb of protein for 41 dollars..  great deal  ::)

You can get isopure (high quality isolate protein), 3lbs for $29.



So the protein that Jaguar is pushing costs 4 times as much as isopure. RIP OFF

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2006, 02:13:59 AM »
That would be about 15 servings for $41.    I use 4-5 servings of protein a day.  So 1 container in 4 days.  I would have to spend around $300 a month if I used Synergie's protein, as opposed to $70 using Isopure (If I buy the bigger container of isopure it's even less).


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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2006, 04:09:52 PM »
Just because it costs more doesn't make it a rip off. If all boils down to what one is looking for.

Consumers who use Synergy products do so because they know they can trust our products. We serve the babyboom market that is more concerned with purity, potency, efficacy, and having the very best formula from a company they know they can trust. Most of our consumers would never trust a supplement geared strictly towards the bodybuilding industry because of the lack of trustworthiness demonstrated by bodybuilding nutritional supp manufacturers. Our market is an educated informed market that is well aware of the many companies that include steroids in their products without noting it on the labels. There have been too many athletes dreams dashed by supp companies who have failed to properly disclose the list of banned substances contained in their products. Our consumers aren't looking for cheap, they are looking for quality they know they can trust. A product that does what it says it will do, and will contribute to their overall health & wellness goals.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2006, 06:19:55 PM »
Just because it costs more doesn't make it a rip off. If all boils down to what one is looking for.

Consumers who use Synergy products do so because they know they can trust our products. We serve the babyboom market that is more concerned with purity, potency, efficacy, and having the very best formula from a company they know they can trust. Most of our consumers would never trust a supplement geared strictly towards the bodybuilding industry because of the lack of trustworthiness demonstrated by bodybuilding nutritional supp manufacturers. Our market is an educated informed market that is well aware of the many companies that include steroids in their products without noting it on the labels. There have been too many athletes dreams dashed by supp companies who have failed to properly disclose the list of banned substances contained in their products. Our consumers aren't looking for cheap, they are looking for quality they know they can trust. A product that does what it says it will do, and will contribute to their overall health & wellness goals.

I understand you are trying to "sell" your products...but writing and telling people that other supplement companies put steroids in thier products and not on the label is really low and ignorant.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2006, 06:59:40 PM »
1 pound of protein for 41 dollars..That shit better be spiked with with Anavar.. ;D
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2006, 12:33:27 AM »
I understand you are trying to "sell" your products...but writing and telling people that other supplement companies put steroids in thier products and not on the label is really low and ignorant.

JMentis,

In my estimation, what is really low is failing to disclose banned substances in products distributed to unsuspecting consumers, not acknowledging that it occurs. It does happen, and many companies have been sued as a result. Titles & trophys relinquished as a result, while others hang in limbo, and reputations destroyed and dragged through the mud.

“Today, we have taken another important step in the ongoing effort to eliminate the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in sports. As evidenced by today’s indictment of Mr. Arnold, who allegedly conspired to distribute anabolic steroids and misbrand drugs with the intention to defraud, we remain steadfast in our commitment to prosecuting those individuals involved in the distribution of anabolic steroids and performance enhancing drugs.” -- US Federal Attorney Kevin V. Ryan speaking on the indictment of Patrick Arnold.

Even Victor Conte admitted some athletes using his products were unaware they were taking a banned substance, and now that he's singing like a bird, the fallout in his case is going to be even more tragic than it has already been.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/html/2005_10_18_balco_sentencing.htm

TRACK AND FIELD: ATHLETES SANCTIONED

Based on positive drug tests

Regina Jacobs (THG): Four-year ban, stripped of 2003 U.S. championship at 1,500 meters. When accused by USADA of testing positive for THG, the 40-year-old runner launched a legal challenge and sought arbitration outside the usual process. She lost in court and then retired, saying she wanted "to avoid being subjected to what I believe would be an unfair hearing." Her retirement abruptly halts her bid to make the 2004 Olympic team, which would have been her fifth. She competed in the 1988, 1992 and 1996 Games but fell ill in Sydney and could not compete. At 1,500 meters, she was a two-time silver medalist in the World Championships (1997, 1999) and 11-time U.S. champion (the expunged 2003 victory would have been her 12th). At 5,000 meters, she was a three-time U.S. champion.

Kevin Toth (THG, modafinil): Two-year ban, stripped of 2003 U.S. championship and fourth-place finish in the 2003 World Championships (both in shot put). Announced his retirement.

Melissa Price (THG): Two-year ban, stripped of 2003 U.S. championship and 12th-place finish in the 2003 World Championships (both in hammer throw). Also finished 12th in 2001 World Championships. Married to British shot putter Carl Myerscough, who was banned for two years after a positive test in 1999 and is banned for life from the Olympics under British rules.

John McEwen (THG, modafinil): Two-year ban, stripped of second-place finish in 2003 U.S. Championships (hammer throw).

Dwain Chambers (THG): Two-year ban, also banned for life from Olympics under British rules. British sprinter trained with Korchemny. Bronze medalist at 100 meters in 1999 World Championships and multiple medalist in World Championship relays. Fourth at 100 meters in 2000 Olympics.

Calvin Harrison (modafinil): Two-year ban, stripped of 2003 World Championship gold medal in 4x400-meter relay and second-place finish at 400 meters in 2003 U.S. Championships. Though modafinil offenses in 2003 carried lesser penalties, his ban was set at two years because he had a prior doping offense as a junior in 1993. With twin brother Alvin, gold medalist in 4x400-meter relay in 2000 Olympics, but that gold medal is in jeopardy because of Jerome Young's doping scandal, which has not been connected to BALCO.

Chryste Gaines (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of fifth-place result from 2003 U.S. Championships.

Chris Phillips (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of fifth-place finish in 110-meter hurdles at 2003 World Championships.

Eric Thomas (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of 2003 U.S. title in 400-meter hurdles.

Sandra Glover (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of third-place finish in 400-meter hurdles at 2003 U.S. Championships.

Not based on positive drug tests

Michelle Collins: Four-year ban (agreed), stripped of 2003 World Indoor title at 200 meters (expected to appeal). First case without a positive test to be decided in arbitration. Initially banned for eight years, but it was reduced in an agreement in which Collins agreed to drop her appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Charged with using EPO, THG and a testosterone cream.

Alvin Harrison: Four-year ban (accepted), stripped of results dating back to Feb. 1, 2001. After seeing evidence obtained by USADA from the U.S. Senate, admitted usage of anabolic steroids, insulin, EPO, growth hormone and modafinil. Silver medalist in men's 400 meters in 2000 Olympics and member of gold-medal relay teams in 1996 and 2000. Twin brother of Calvin Harrison.

Kelli White: Two-year ban (accepted), forfeited all results dating back to December 2000, including 2003 World Championship victories at 100 and 200 meters. Tested positive for modafinil at the World Championships and vowed to fight for her medals, but the point became moot 10 months later when she accepted a ban upon seeing the evidence of steroid and EPO use obtained in the BALCO investigation. Agreed to help with further investigation, though other athletes have cast aspersions on anything she has said or will say. First ran afoul of drug testers in 2002 when she tested positive for an asthma medication that was no banned by track authorities but was illegal in France. She was banned from the country for six months but not from competition.

Tim Montgomery: Two-year ban (imposed), stripped of all results dating back to March 31, 2001, including world record in 100 meters, 2001 World Championship gold in relay and 2001 U.S. title in 100 meters. His world record had already been broken by Asafa Powell in June 2005. Though various reports claim that he admitted to steroid use in grand jury testimony and Victor Conte has claimed that he supplied him with drugs, he fought all accusations all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which cut a proposed four-year ban to two years in its ruling Dec. 13, 2005. The reports of his testimony also indicate that he implicated Barry Bonds. World record-holder at 100 meters and gold medalist in 4x100 relay at 2000 Olympics. Marion Jones' boyfriend; the couple has a son born in June 2003.

Chryste Gaines: Two-year ban (imposed), stripped of all results dating back to Nov. 30, 2005. Like Montgomery, contested charges to Court of Arbitration for Sport. Previously punished for positive modafinil test with public warning, loss of fifth-place result from 2003 U.S. Championships. Two-time Olympic medalist in 4x100 relay (gold 1996, bronze 2000). Won U.S. 100-meter title in 2001 while competing for Conte's ZMA Track Club.

JMentis,
Whether you want to admit it or not, doesn't negate the fact that it does happen. It's because of incidences like these that many consumers choose to use companies they know and trust, and why some poor kids have parents who refuse to let them even take protein. I'm not on an anti-steroid rant. If someone wants to take steroids, that's their business. My concern is proper disclosure for the consumer. I don't think a person should be caused to take something unknowingly that they wouldn't take knowingly. It's about full and proper disclosure which in todays supplement industry is not as prevalent as it should be. And this relates not only to the ingredients used, but also the quality thereof.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2006, 12:48:46 AM »
1 pound of protein for 41 dollars..That shit better be spiked with with Anavar.. ;D

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Gamma, while I can appreciate the humour in your comment, let me say our consumers aren't looking to sprout freakishly deformed muscles overnight, or get on a stage in a posedown with a chemical freak.

They're looking for a good quality, product that they can trust to impart health promoting, immune enhancing, metabolism increasing, and appetitie suppressing benefits to their nutritional  and weight management regimens as part of a healthy lifestyle. They're not looking for cheap, ...they're looking for quality. For those who want cheap, ...there are plenty of brands out there that will fill that bill.

Anyway, getting back on topic, this thread isn't about the price of products, ...at least that's not what I thought the original poster was asking. I thought it was about how they go about formulating their products. I believe I have answered how and why Synergy chose the use of certain ingredients in the formulation of theirs.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2006, 12:59:49 AM »
JMentis,

In my estimation, what is really low is failing to disclose banned substances in products distributed to unsuspecting consumers, not acknowledging that it occurs. It does happen, and many companies have been sued as a result. Titles & trophys relinquished as a result, while others hang in limbo, and reputations destroyed and dragged through the mud.

“Today, we have taken another important step in the ongoing effort to eliminate the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in sports. As evidenced by today’s indictment of Mr. Arnold, who allegedly conspired to distribute anabolic steroids and misbrand drugs with the intention to defraud, we remain steadfast in our commitment to prosecuting those individuals involved in the distribution of anabolic steroids and performance enhancing drugs.” -- US Federal Attorney Kevin V. Ryan speaking on the indictment of Patrick Arnold.

Even Victor Conte admitted some athletes using his products were unaware they were taking a banned substance, and now that he's singing like a bird, the fallout in his case is going to be even more tragic than it has already been.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/html/2005_10_18_balco_sentencing.htm

TRACK AND FIELD: ATHLETES SANCTIONED

Based on positive drug tests

Regina Jacobs (THG): Four-year ban, stripped of 2003 U.S. championship at 1,500 meters. When accused by USADA of testing positive for THG, the 40-year-old runner launched a legal challenge and sought arbitration outside the usual process. She lost in court and then retired, saying she wanted "to avoid being subjected to what I believe would be an unfair hearing." Her retirement abruptly halts her bid to make the 2004 Olympic team, which would have been her fifth. She competed in the 1988, 1992 and 1996 Games but fell ill in Sydney and could not compete. At 1,500 meters, she was a two-time silver medalist in the World Championships (1997, 1999) and 11-time U.S. champion (the expunged 2003 victory would have been her 12th). At 5,000 meters, she was a three-time U.S. champion.

Kevin Toth (THG, modafinil): Two-year ban, stripped of 2003 U.S. championship and fourth-place finish in the 2003 World Championships (both in shot put). Announced his retirement.

Melissa Price (THG): Two-year ban, stripped of 2003 U.S. championship and 12th-place finish in the 2003 World Championships (both in hammer throw). Also finished 12th in 2001 World Championships. Married to British shot putter Carl Myerscough, who was banned for two years after a positive test in 1999 and is banned for life from the Olympics under British rules.

John McEwen (THG, modafinil): Two-year ban, stripped of second-place finish in 2003 U.S. Championships (hammer throw).

Dwain Chambers (THG): Two-year ban, also banned for life from Olympics under British rules. British sprinter trained with Korchemny. Bronze medalist at 100 meters in 1999 World Championships and multiple medalist in World Championship relays. Fourth at 100 meters in 2000 Olympics.

Calvin Harrison (modafinil): Two-year ban, stripped of 2003 World Championship gold medal in 4x400-meter relay and second-place finish at 400 meters in 2003 U.S. Championships. Though modafinil offenses in 2003 carried lesser penalties, his ban was set at two years because he had a prior doping offense as a junior in 1993. With twin brother Alvin, gold medalist in 4x400-meter relay in 2000 Olympics, but that gold medal is in jeopardy because of Jerome Young's doping scandal, which has not been connected to BALCO.

Chryste Gaines (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of fifth-place result from 2003 U.S. Championships.

Chris Phillips (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of fifth-place finish in 110-meter hurdles at 2003 World Championships.

Eric Thomas (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of 2003 U.S. title in 400-meter hurdles.

Sandra Glover (modafinil): Public warning, stripped of third-place finish in 400-meter hurdles at 2003 U.S. Championships.

Not based on positive drug tests

Michelle Collins: Four-year ban (agreed), stripped of 2003 World Indoor title at 200 meters (expected to appeal). First case without a positive test to be decided in arbitration. Initially banned for eight years, but it was reduced in an agreement in which Collins agreed to drop her appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Charged with using EPO, THG and a testosterone cream.

Alvin Harrison: Four-year ban (accepted), stripped of results dating back to Feb. 1, 2001. After seeing evidence obtained by USADA from the U.S. Senate, admitted usage of anabolic steroids, insulin, EPO, growth hormone and modafinil. Silver medalist in men's 400 meters in 2000 Olympics and member of gold-medal relay teams in 1996 and 2000. Twin brother of Calvin Harrison.

Kelli White: Two-year ban (accepted), forfeited all results dating back to December 2000, including 2003 World Championship victories at 100 and 200 meters. Tested positive for modafinil at the World Championships and vowed to fight for her medals, but the point became moot 10 months later when she accepted a ban upon seeing the evidence of steroid and EPO use obtained in the BALCO investigation. Agreed to help with further investigation, though other athletes have cast aspersions on anything she has said or will say. First ran afoul of drug testers in 2002 when she tested positive for an asthma medication that was no banned by track authorities but was illegal in France. She was banned from the country for six months but not from competition.

Tim Montgomery: Two-year ban (imposed), stripped of all results dating back to March 31, 2001, including world record in 100 meters, 2001 World Championship gold in relay and 2001 U.S. title in 100 meters. His world record had already been broken by Asafa Powell in June 2005. Though various reports claim that he admitted to steroid use in grand jury testimony and Victor Conte has claimed that he supplied him with drugs, he fought all accusations all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which cut a proposed four-year ban to two years in its ruling Dec. 13, 2005. The reports of his testimony also indicate that he implicated Barry Bonds. World record-holder at 100 meters and gold medalist in 4x100 relay at 2000 Olympics. Marion Jones' boyfriend; the couple has a son born in June 2003.

Chryste Gaines: Two-year ban (imposed), stripped of all results dating back to Nov. 30, 2005. Like Montgomery, contested charges to Court of Arbitration for Sport. Previously punished for positive modafinil test with public warning, loss of fifth-place result from 2003 U.S. Championships. Two-time Olympic medalist in 4x100 relay (gold 1996, bronze 2000). Won U.S. 100-meter title in 2001 while competing for Conte's ZMA Track Club.

JMentis,
Whether you want to admit it or not, doesn't negate the fact that it does happen. It's because of incidences like these that many consumers choose to use companies they know and trust, and why some poor kids have parents who refuse to let them even take protein. I'm not on an anti-steroid rant. If someone wants to take steroids, that's their business. My concern is proper disclosure for the consumer. I don't think a person should be caused to take something unknowingly that they wouldn't take knowingly. It's about full and proper disclosure which in todays supplement industry is not as prevalent as it should be. And this relates not only to the ingredients used, but also the quality thereof.

I respect the novel you just wrote but you didn't answer to what I commented on. Tell me what nutritional supplement company was sued and found guilty for having steroids in their products??

All I need is one.

JM

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2006, 02:45:11 AM »
I respect the novel you just wrote but you didn't answer to what I commented on. Tell me what nutritional supplement company was sued and found guilty for having steroids in their products??

All I need is one.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2006, 03:15:20 AM »
1 pound of protein for 41 dollars..That shit better be spiked with with Anavar.. ;D

...no make that Dbol...I want to have a couple serving & gain about five pounds.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2006, 03:31:08 AM »
Jaguar,

Price of your whey protein is simply ridiculous!  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2006, 03:42:26 AM »
Jaguar,

Price of your whey protein is simply ridiculous!  ;D

If you feel that way, ...then don't buy it. There's no law that says you have to.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2006, 03:57:11 AM »
So, supplement companies are putting steroids in their products, and this is showing up on drug tests?  But, the growth hormones that are put in beef and chicken don't? 
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 12:00:37 PM »
Jaguar,

Your big list of ppl shows no proof or evidence that their doping was from the directive use of certain products or companies products....

You talk a good game but......

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2006, 12:57:19 PM »
Bay Area Laboratory CoOperative (Balco)?  You think that the people who were getting their "supplements" from there had no idea what was going on?   ::) 
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2006, 04:16:04 PM »
Bay Area Laboratory CoOperative (Balco)?  You think that the people who were getting their "supplements" from there had no idea what was going on?   ::) 


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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2006, 05:05:02 PM »
Like Barry Bonds? ;D  Maybe it was more of a case of "don't ask, don"t tell". 

I can't believe that an athlete (on any kind of professional level) doesn't know what a real nutritional supplement can and can't do. 

Anyway, the original point of this, is that supplement companies are supposedly putting steriods in their products.  I don't consider Blaco a "supplement" company.  They were a drug company plain and simple.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2006, 09:46:12 PM »
This is the lamest thread ever. 

41 bucks for a damn lb of protein is crazy no matter how u look at it. 

and u mention balco lol

I bet u cant fine any real supplement companys that ahve been busted for doin this action u speak of.

And there is no proof that anyone in that list TRUELY got some tainted protein with some form of roids in it.

People use the ole " it was in my protein " line when they get busted but want to save some face with the same schmoes that buy ur $41 magic lb of protien
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