Hebrews boycotting Oscars

[BlackMetallic]

These are all libs. Let em eat each other

[TuHolmes]

You have a right to not take the Osars seriously. I don't, either, believe it or not. Never even watched them. But if you were an actor or a creative in the film industry, would you have a different opinion of them? What I mostly take issue with is  you and some other posters seem to be making the argument that the Oscars in their current state are legit and completely merit-based.

Where did I say they were legit.

I simply and very accurately stated I was not in a position to judge the people being chosen.

Are you saying they are completely false and the people nominated were unworthy?

Are you saying you are 100 percent certain that there were black actors / directors /artists of whatever sort, that were overlooked and without a doubt should have been included?

Spike Lee just accepted an award from them last year that was an honorary award. Will he be giving it back?

Would you also mind answering the question as to whether you believe the Academy is in fact, racist?

[Al Doggity]

They just can't accept that their movies are not as good for the audience.

If they made a movie that was really liked by everyone , not only would they get nominated but they'd also get awarded with a statue.

  Half the shit that gets nominated is stuff that no one has ever heard of.  

[Kwon_2]

Half the shit that gets nominated is stuff that no one has ever heard of.  

Indeed, things like "12 years a slave" , "What happened, Miss Simone?" and shit like that.

[Al Doggity]

Where did I say they were legit.

I simply and very accurately stated I was not in a position to

judge the people being chosen.

You asked if blacks were nominated, would the nominations be

token nominations.You appeared to answer the question yourself

in the affirmative and then went on to say that a token

nomination would be worse. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but

that seems to imply a legitimacy to the other nominations that

you don't consider "tokenism".

Are you saying they are completely false and the people

nominated were unworthy?

I am saying that it is a subjective award and each and every

year there are people/projects  nominated that aren't the best

of the year. No, they are not completely false-there is

undeniably great work that gets nominated- but there is also a

lot of mediocre work that gets nominated.  So, yes, some

people/projects nominated are unworthy.

Are you saying you are 100 percent certain that there were

black actors / directors /artists of whatever sort, that were

overlooked and without a doubt should have been included?

Once again, it's a subjective award. How would it be possible

to be "100 percent certain" that someone deserves to be

nominated for a subjective acting award? Are you asking if

there were any performers of color that I 100% think deserve

to be nominated? I don't think there is a realistic way to

answer the question as asked.

Spike Lee just accepted an award from them last year that was

an honorary award. Will he be giving it back?

I am not Spike Lee. I don't think I ever said or implied that

I was. How would I be privy to that information?
Why do you think I'm Spike Lee.

Would you also mind answering the question as to whether you

believe the Academy is in fact, racist?

It depends on how you define "racist" I guess. If you go by

"racially exclusionary", then yes.  95% of the

Academy voters are white. I think that has an impact on which

films are nominated.

[Al Doggity]

Indeed, things like "12 years a slave" , "What happened, Miss Simone?" and shit like that.

Was thinking more along the lines of box-office powerhouses like "Brooklyn", "Carol", "Trumbo", "The Danish Girl".

[Pet shop boys]

Has there been any notable black performance's lately? There's alot of films in yet to see..

Exactly my point ...One thing is to complain about certain black actor/actress that was ignored in nomination rather than just going "hey where's my Oscars black quota this year?



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[TuHolmes]

I asked questions inquiring as to your belief.

I didn't say you were Spike Lee, it was an inferred rhetoric question.

Ok, then they are racist. Take it up with the Academy and tell the black actors and directors to stop taking jobs they are offered. Give up their SAG cards. Be sure to mention that Sydney Potrtier should return his Oscar from 1963.

[TuHolmes]

I asked questions inquiring as to your belief.

I didn't say you were Spike Lee, it was an inferred rhetoric question.

Ok, then they are racist. Take it up with the Academy and tell the black actors and directors to stop taking jobs they are offered. Give up their SAG cards. Be sure to mention that Sydney Potrtier should return his Oscar from 1963.

[Pet shop boys]

Spike Lee is a very complicated individual to begin with



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[Al Doggity]

I asked questions inquiring as to your belief.

I didn't say you were Spike Lee, it was an inferred rhetoric question.

Ok, then they are racist. Take it up with the Academy and tell the black actors and directors to stop taking jobs they are offered. Give up their SAG cards. Be sure to mention that Sydney Potrtier should return his Oscar from 1963.

Why would black actors and directors stop taking jobs and give up their SAG cards?

[SF1900]

You asked if blacks were nominated, would the nominations be

token nominations.You appeared to answer the question yourself

in the affirmative and then went on to say that a token

nomination would be worse. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but

that seems to imply a legitimacy to the other nominations that

you don't consider "tokenism".

I am saying that it is a subjective award and each and every

year there are people/projects  nominated that aren't the best

of the year. No, they are not completely false-there is

undeniably great work that gets nominated- but there is also a

lot of mediocre work that gets nominated.  So, yes, some

people/projects nominated are unworthy.
Once again, it's a subjective award. How would it be possible

to be "100 percent certain" that someone deserves to be

nominated for a subjective acting award? Are you asking if

there were any performers of color that I 100% think deserve

to be nominated? I don't think there is a realistic way to

answer the question as asked.

I am not Spike Lee. I don't think I ever said or implied that

I was. How would I be privy to that information?
Why do you think I'm Spike Lee.
It depends on how you define "racist" I guess. If you go by

"racially exclusionary", then yes.  95% of the

Academy voters are white. I think that has an impact on which

films are nominated.

Although the awards are subjective, they are not entirely subjective. The same with music. Musicians can and have measured the complexity of music. Most talented musicians would agree that a Mozart symphony is much more complicated than Brittany Spears song. There may be some who may think a Brittany song is more much more complicated than a Mozart Symphony, but I guarantee you that it would be EXTREMELY rare. As such, experts can definitely measure the complexity and sophistication of a movie and/or acting part. In that sense, its NOT ENTIRELY subjective, as you may think. I mean, whats a more sophisticated movie/acting, "Killer Klowns from Outer Space" or "The Godfather?" The general consensus would be the latter.

Obviously, subjectivity creeps in even more when two movies are equally or close to equally good. I totally get that. However, I don't think its entirely subjective.

[TuHolmes]

Why would black actors and directors stop taking jobs and give up their SAG cards?

I mean, if you're going to boycott, boycott all the way right?

[Parker]

Janet Hubert, the mother from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, slams Jada Pinket Smith

She makes a good point.

[TuHolmes]

She makes a good point.

Yes. Yes she does.

I do agree with her also on Idris Elba. He man is very talented.

[Al Doggity]

Although the awards are subjective, they are not entirely subjective. The same with music. Musicians can and have measured the complexity of music. Most talented musicians would agree that a Mozart symphony is much more complicated than Brittany Spears song. There may be some who may think a Brittany song is more much more complicated than a Mozart Symphony, but I guarantee you that it would be EXTREMELY rare. As such, experts can definitely measure the complexity and sophistication of a movie and/or acting part. In that sense, its NOT ENTIRELY subjective, as you may think. I mean, whats a more sophisticated movie/acting, "Killer Klowns from Outer Space" or "The Godfather?" The general consensus would be the latter.

Obviously, subjectivity creeps in even more when two movies are equally or close to equally good. I totally get that. However, I don't think its entirely subjective.

This is sort of like saying a bodybuilding show isn't subjective, because a guy who had a high bodyfat percentage and didn't train could never be Mr. Olympia. Of course there are certain standards/guidelines for what is considered skillful filmmaking,  But subjectivity more than "creeps in" when judging art .  

[MANGOOS]

To get to the Superbowl, teams have to win non-subjective contests. Oscar contenders are chosen by a small pool of  voters who cast a secret ballot. How are these two things comparable?

Every team has people who choose players, a small pool of people. Lack of diversity and racism against white people, they should boycott NFL and NBA games.

[Al Doggity]

I mean, if you're going to boycott, boycott all the way right?

So, rather than trying to affect a change within a system that you consider flawed, you think the better option is to abandon it, stop working and give up your creative outlet? This makes no sense. Was it another inferred rhetoric question?

[TuHolmes]

So, rather than trying to affect a change within a system that you consider flawed, you think the better option is to abandon it, stop working and give up your creative outlet?

That's what they are doing already. Their "boycott" will see to that.

[Al Doggity]

That's what they are doing already. Their "boycott" will see to that.

So, let me get this straight- my interpretation of your previous post was that if there are blacks who see problems with the Academy awards, then blacks ( as a group) should leave the industry and return accolades going back 50 years. My interpretation of this was that you were saying "If the system is so racist, then why don't you just leave".  Did I misinterpret you?

[calfzilla]

She makes a good point.

What does Hillary look like today?

[Parker]

Yes. Yes she does.

I do agree with her also on Idris Elba. He man is very talented.

Looking back,  Fresh Prince was a modern day Good Times. Will Smith was the Jimmy Walker/JJ Evans.
And Jimmy Walker's buffoonery was criticized by John Amos.
http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_grapevine/2015/06/john_amos_says_he_was_kicked_off_good_times_because_he_didn_t_agree_with.html
So, he was kicked off.

Fast fwd to Fresh Prince, and something similar
http://www.vibe.com/2013/04/original-aunt-viv-reveals-why-she-left-fresh-prince-bel-air/

You can change the frame, but the picture remains the same.

[Parker]

What does Hillary look like today?

Similar to what she used to look like. A tad aged

[Waller]

Off the top of my head I thought of 2 good heeb actors. Morgan Freeman and Jamie Foxx.

Both have received Oscars. Because they can act. What's the problem?

[Kwon_2]

Denzel L Freeman definitely deserve all the Oscars and Nominations he had.

Great actor.