Steroids and heart issues

[Waller]

Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.

I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.

How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?

[oldtimer1]

Low level HRT can change the viscosity of blood for the worse. It can also increase red blood cells to dangerous levels. Now imagine the crazy amounts of anabolic steroids that bodybuilders take? It also increases blood pressure that could lead to heart problems and kidney problems.

Heart disease is the number one killer of man. It is the most important muscle in your body. Bodybuilders in general don't care about the heart muscle judging by how many of them gas by just walking on a treadmill. If the heart muscle was outside the chest cavity and had to be showed off at a contest bodybuilders would be running like track guys.

[liberalismo]

The sheer number of studies linking anabolic steroid use to heart problems is overwhealming. We see it every day with new strongmen, bodybuilders, wrestlers, etc. dying.

Yes, even low level 200mg a week can cause heart issues in some people using HRT.


Now what does 2,000mg a week do? 

[_aj_]

Oldtimer needs two accounts to rail on this one.

[SF1900]

Steroids are bad.

[OB1]

I think it's not the steroids themselves.
Rather it's the increased muscle mass which wants to be supported.
Using steroids you move well beyond the design specs of the human body.

[Tha Grim Lifter]

I never had a heart scare but once I cleaned out I stay as lean as possible. I'd rather be 185-190 even but my limit is about 198. I could probably be 185 if I never juiced or i'd have to stop lifting which isn't going to happen.

These guys are addicted to being huge and cannot handle being smaller, they will never stop unless they die.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

The sheer number of studies linking anabolic steroid use to heart problems is overwhealming. We see it every day with new strongmen, bodybuilders, wrestlers, etc. dying.

Yes, even low level 200mg a week can cause heart issues in some people using HRT.


Now what does 2,000mg a week do? 

Isn't stress the number one problem with heart issues/attacks? And what kind of stress does the body go through lifting extremely heavy amounts of weight while eating extremely heavy amounts of food on a daily basis?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

HRT started out with doctors giving their clients 100mg to 200mg shots once a month. Talk about a retarded way to take test. Doing it this way spikes your tests levels for about 8 days and then they fall off a cliff for almost 3 weeks. Then back up again. Don't need a study to know that this sort of thing can't be good for you. Even the 2 week shots they use now is semi-retarded when the test their administrating is going to fall off a climb around the 7 to 9 day mark(...You're still seesawing your hormones in your body=Probably not good...Are there any HRT studies out there that have been done with middle aged men who kept their test levels around the same through out the study?

[liberalismo]

No. Doctors who do testosterone therapy today usually  have 3 ways to do it.

1. Under arm gel, patches or such.

2. Weekly Testosterone shots under 200mg usually.

3. A surgical implant that releases testosterone gradually over 1 to 3 months.

[BayGBM]

Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.

I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.

How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?

Denial and muscle addiction are a bad combination.  Even when you get the warning signs it is hard to give up the muscle--especially if that's all you have in life.  You assume/hope it won't happen to you.

[jon cole]

Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.

I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.

How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?

a friend of mine had a double heart attack 2 years ago. He was a heavy juicer, gh, and also viagra, cocaine and alcohol during party.

He's back on juice. Sad. He just can't live without them. He's in total denial.
He told me that steroid aren't the cause, that stress was the cause etc blablabla...

[_aj_]

a friend of mine had a double heart attack 2 years ago. He was a heavy juicer, gh, and also viagra, cocaine and alcohol during party.

He's back on juice. Sad. He just can't live without them.

I am guessing that the coke and the booze played a big part here.

[jon cole]

I am guessing that the coke and the booze played a big part here.

Guy was a regular customer in swinger club. So it was booze coke and viagra all nite long.

For steroid he was blasting all year long, for 10 years. I know a lot of juicer, all family man style, with normal nife, none of them had heart attack.

The "rec", as you call them in the u.s, are very dangerous with aas.

[_aj_]

Guy was a regular customer in swinger club. So it was booze coke and viagra all nite long.

For steroid he was blasting all year long, for 10 years.

The fact that he's still alive is a testament to the anti-aging and healing properties of the sauce. Viva juice!

[jon cole]

The fact that he's still alive is a testament to the anti-aging and healing properties of the sauce. Viva juice!

he's living the dream !

[Earl1972]

Low level HRT can change the viscosity of blood for the worse. It can also increase red blood cells to dangerous levels. Now imagine the crazy amounts of anabolic steroids that bodybuilders take? It also increases blood pressure that could lead to heart problems and kidney problems.

Heart disease is the number one killer of man. It is the most important muscle in your body. Bodybuilders in general don't care about the heart muscle judging by how many of them gas by just walking on a treadmill. If the heart muscle was outside the chest cavity and had to be showed off at a contest bodybuilders would be running like track guys.

did you ever use steroids?

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[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Denial and muscle addiction are a bad combination.  Even when you get the warning signs it is hard to give up the muscle--especially if that's all you have in life.  You assume/hope it won't happen to you.

Last picture of Anthony always gets to me.....taken 5 minutes before he died.  Sucks that he never got on stage but honestly he tempted fate unwisely

[DanielPaul]

Last picture of Anthony always gets to me.....taken 5 minutes before he died.  Sucks that he never got on stage but honestly he tempted fate unwisely

where can this pic be found?  How's the new job?

[Slapper]

Forget about your heart... that you're going through a roll of toilet paper a day is your ass' way of letting you know your internal organs are getting worked way too much.

At least that's what happened to me.  That and the sudden palpitations.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

No. Doctors who do testosterone therapy today usually  have 3 ways to do it.

1. Under arm gel, patches or such.

2. Weekly Testosterone shots under 200mg usually.

3. A surgical implant that releases testosterone gradually over 1 to 3 months.

Yes but hasn't the form and frequency of therapy you stated above only be into a effect for a few years? It wasn't that long ago that Dr. would give old dudes once a month shots.

[da_vinci]

I think it's not the steroids themselves.
Rather it's the increased muscle mass which wants to be supported.
Using steroids you move well beyond the design specs of the human body.

It is the increased LDL/decreased HDL that are left unchecked. Most cases simple as that.

[honest]

It is the increased LDL/decreased HDL that are left unchecked. Most cases simple as that.

I think the same, if you can get away with a TRT dose that doesn't alter your bloodwork you may be able to sell it to yourself that you are reaping the benefits without the added stress, I can do this with around 100mg dose weekly or every ten days, but i find even this dose effects my resting heart rate by about 4 beats per minute. Just a self observation that may be beneficial to others.

[da_vinci]

I think the same, if you can get away with a TRT dose that doesn't alter your bloodwork you may be able to sell it to yourself that you are reaping the benefits without the added stress, I can do this with around 100mg dose weekly or every ten days, but i find even this dose effects my resting heart rate by about 4 beats per minute. Just a self observation that may be beneficial to others.

Take the countermeasures - more cardio for ex. Esp hiit cardio.

[oldgolds]

Drug addicts...I've seen them have tumors, gyno surgery etc. and go right back on...