Steroids and heart issues

[BBSSchlemiel]

Low level HRT can change the viscosity of blood for the worse. It can also increase red blood cells to dangerous levels. Now imagine the crazy amounts of anabolic steroids that bodybuilders take? It also increases blood pressure that could lead to heart problems and kidney problems.

Heart disease is the number one killer of man. It is the most important muscle in your body. Bodybuilders in general don't care about the heart muscle judging by how many of them gas by just walking on a treadmill. If the heart muscle was outside the chest cavity and had to be showed off at a contest bodybuilders would be running like track guys.

Lack of TRT when it is needed for hypogonadism also makes one susceptible to heart disease, diabetes, and overweight.

There is no "low level" TRT; there is the correct amount that's needed. Oh wait, TRT on the net is 250 to 1000 mg per week.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.

I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.

How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?

T'is all in the genetics, in the genetic code that is. Besides, there are great rewards in hell and heaven for being ungodly big, just like all the rewards guys get for being huge while alive. You know, rewards like statements like, "OMG, that guy's huge." What else? Uh, I can't think of any.

[Coffeed]

I think anyone who has been in the fitness "culture" more than a decade knows some juicer that had a heart attack.

That's why it always comes up.

Despite the fact that mainstream medicine makes steroids akin to 30's reefer madness, anyone who "gets it" know that hittin' the sauce is no free lunch.

Are some better able to manage it than others? Sure.
But just like some folks can drink or do blow on the weekends, it doesn't have an effect on their physiology.

[Waller]

T'is all in the genetics, in the genetic code that is. Besides, there are great rewards in hell and heaven for being ungodly big, just like all the rewards guys get for being huge while alive. You know, rewards like statements like, "OMG, that guy's huge." What else? Uh, I can't think of any.

Hahaha if I have a heart attack I'll take your post into due consideration!

[local hero]

I know two guys who started after knowing they already had heart and kidney defects, this is before even starting to use gear, even after lots of wise heads advising otherwise

[drkaje]

Some are willing to die for a certain look.

[bears]

I am guessing that the coke and the booze played a big part here.

cocaine, Viagra, and booze?  that's not a good combo at all.  the test is the least of his problems.

[_aj_]

T'is all in the genetics, in the genetic code that is. Besides, there are great rewards in hell and heaven for being ungodly big, just like all the rewards guys get for being huge while alive. You know, rewards like statements like, "OMG, that guy's huge." What else? Uh, I can't think of any.

Mountains of dripping wet pussy come to mind.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Mountains of dripping wet pussy come to mind.

For some, which could likely be achieved with a good body minus the drugs.

[SquatsRule]

Steroids are bad.

Anabolic Halo looking good here.

[da_vinci]

cocaine, Viagra, and booze?  that's not a good combo at all.  the test is the least of his problems.

To be honest I know a ridiculous amount of guys who are on all of that constantly. And when I say a ridiculous amount - I mean it, literally. As you say - test is most likely the lowest factor here usualy.. Not a secret that people who are seriously into bodybuilding, pretty often like other drugs too.

[bears]

To be honest I know a ridiculous amount of guys who are on all of that constantly. And when I say a ridiculous amount - I mean it, literally. As you say - test is most likely the lowest factor here usualy.. Not a secret that people who are seriously into bodybuilding, pretty often like other drugs too.

yeah.  it is amazing how much the human body can take.  had a buddy who used to take pain killers and snort coke pretty much every time he went out.  he would take 5-6 vicodins and chew them up before we went out and then do it again later on in the night....while doing blow and drinking about literally 20-30 drinks.  and this was a normal night out for him.

if I take 2 vicodin and have ONE beer i'm dead to the world.

[falco]

The sheer number of studies linking anabolic steroid use to heart problems is overwhealming. We see it every day with new strongmen, bodybuilders, wrestlers, etc. dying.

Yes, even low level 200mg a week can cause heart issues in some people using HRT.


Now what does 2,000mg a week do? 

200mg a week is not trt. 100mg a week is.

[_aj_]

200mg a week is not trt. 100mg a week is.

Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.

[equipoise]

Nandrolone has been found to cause changes in heart muscle structure and electrical activity. I have some npp in my drawer that I'm tempted to use, but I think for now i'll stick with test.

[liberalismo]

200mg a week is not trt. 100mg a week is.

I'm on TRT and use 200mg a week.

[pellius]

I think anyone who has been in the fitness "culture" more than a decade knows some juicer that had a heart attack.

That's why it always comes up.

Despite the fact that mainstream medicine makes steroids akin to 30's reefer madness, anyone who "gets it" know that hittin' the sauce is no free lunch.

Are some better able to manage it than others? Sure.
But just like some folks can drink or do blow on the weekends, it doesn't have an effect on their physiology.

I don't know a single person personally that juices and had a heart attack and I'm in my mid fifties. I know several personally that don't juice that have had a heart attack (both parents, four aunts, one uncle and two of my brothers). Other than my brothers, the rest died of that heart attack.

[pellius]

To be honest I know a ridiculous amount of guys who are on all of that constantly. And when I say a ridiculous amount - I mean it, literally. As you say - test is most likely the lowest factor here usualy.. Not a secret that people who are seriously into bodybuilding, pretty often like other drugs too.

Viagra was originally created to treat high blood pressure. It's a vasodilator opening up the blood vessels allowing for better blood flow.

Many athletes take it before training and before an event for that purpose. I've use it preworkout and the pumps are much better.

Now if you are already on BP medication there is a risk that your BP can get too low. Say you take viagra and you're already on BP medication and then go to sleep. But usually people take Viagra prior to physical activity but even if you don't do anything it's still very unlikely you'll experience an issue. Having enlarged blood vessels is a good thing and it's unlikely that it will get so large from 50mg of Viagra that your heart can't pump enough blood fast enough.

Alcohol and oral steroids are a bad combo because of the stress on the liver.

[pellius]

Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.

200mg/week puts me above normal (1,100-1,200) but my the rest of my blood work is fine with my cholesterol always testing on the low side. Total cholesterol is 89, HDL is 41, LDL is 51, Non-HDL is 58.

Actually, now that I look at my blood test taken last Nov my Total Test is at 1,283 and Free Test is at 475.3. My doctor did bring this up earlier and probably 150mg/wk would be ideal but the hassle of trying to pull .75 of a cc and the way the insurance works I just wanted to stick to an even 1cc so a vial last 10 weeks.

[equipoise]

200mg/week puts me above normal (1,100-1,200) but my the rest of my blood work is fine with my cholesterol always testing on the low side. Total cholesterol is 89, HDL is 41, LDL is 51, Non-HDL is 58.

Actually, now that I look at my blood test taken last Nov my Total Test is at 1,283 and Free Test is at 475.3. My doctor did bring this up earlier and probably 150mg/wk would be ideal but the hassle of trying to pull .75 of a cc and the way the insurance works I just wanted to stick to an even 1cc so a vial last 10 weeks.

Why not just inject a smaller amount and stockpile the remaining test for a rainy day?

[pellius]

Nandrolone has been found to cause changes in heart muscle structure and electrical activity. I have some npp in my drawer that I'm tempted to use, but I think for now i'll stick with test.

Long term use of steroids does have health consequences for the heart. Which increases as you get older.

But life is always a matter of trade offs. Should your life just revolved around security and safety? Seems like there are some risks to everything we do. I mean, even weight training takes it's toll. My brother, and we were born in the same year and the closest thing I have to a clone has zero joint problems. I'm a mess (knees, elbows, shoulders, neck, back) always in some kind  of pain. He has blood pressure issues and I do not and I've been on TRT since 1999 and mess with steroids off and on throughout my twenties. So you are talking decades of some kind of use.

My quality of life is vastly improve because I take 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of EQ. I am able to do things physically that my brother can't do. But I know I am eventually going to die of a heart attack as everyone in my family does. But right now I'm the only one that doesn't have heart and BP issues and all but one of my brothers are younger than me (three younger, one older) so I'm ahead of the game despite my steroid use though I do have an enlarged heart and a thickening of the left ventricle.

So I'm making that trade off of quality of life now and maybe losing some years off my life.

http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrotest.html

[pellius]

Why not just inject a smaller amount and stockpile the remaining test for a rainy day?

I have a two vials of ugl Test for that "rainy" day. It's not like Test is hard to get.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.

I get prescribed 220mgs/week.  Deal with it haters. 

PS love you AJ.

[Radical Plato]

Some are willing to die for a certain look.

I just think more this, some people just don't value life as much as others.

[phreak]

I just think more this, some people just don't value life as much as others.

Like me they likely value life, just not existence for the sake of existence. Life is not an endurance race, with the oldest one being the happiest. Do things that make you happy while you can still do them. Nothing more pathetic than someone slaving away at a career for 4 decades, only to die of a heart attack at 67. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.