Steroids and heart issues

[_aj_]

I get prescribed 220mgs/week.  Deal with it haters. 

PS love you AJ.

I really need to do some Doctor shopping.

Love you to bro.

[falco]

Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.

    In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
    Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.

    I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.

[phreak]

great post freak.  My dad is 71, juiced for 30 years straight.  His organs are in perfect shape, his mind is going from dementia. 

You have my sympathy. That's actually my worst fear, dementia. Stay strong.

[Tha Grim Lifter]

   In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
    Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.

    I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.

That is HRT or TRT. The body doesn't produce 200mg a week. That's just for these guys that want to say they are on HRT but not admit they are juicing anymore.

[Tedim]

my script is 300x10days cyp

but I pin 200x7days and my test lvl is 1500+

[da_vinci]

great post freak.  My dad is 71, juiced for 30 years straight.  His organs are in perfect shape, his mind is going from dementia. 

Damn, badass dad, it sucks big time he has that issue when body is still intact.

Do you know what was his usual choice of substances?

[da_vinci]

yeah.  it is amazing how much the human body can take.  had a buddy who used to take pain killers and snort coke pretty much every time he went out.  he would take 5-6 vicodins and chew them up before we went out and then do it again later on in the night....while doing blow and drinking about literally 20-30 drinks.  and this was a normal night out for him.

if I take 2 vicodin and have ONE beer i'm dead to the world.

Yes. My one friend is out of his mind too. Can roll lots of molly over night, booze, coke... it's insane, I have no idea how his body is still going. He's young, barely over 30, but these amounts and mixes are something that makes you wonder what kind of genetics some ppl carry to not drop dead.

[da_vinci]

Long term use of steroids does have health consequences for the heart. Which increases as you get older.

But life is always a matter of trade offs. Should your life just revolved around security and safety? Seems like there are some risks to everything we do. I mean, even weight training takes it's toll. My brother, and we were born in the same year and the closest thing I have to a clone has zero joint problems. I'm a mess (knees, elbows, shoulders, neck, back) always in some kind  of pain. He has blood pressure issues and I do not and I've been on TRT since 1999 and mess with steroids off and on throughout my twenties. So you are talking decades of some kind of use.

My quality of life is vastly improve because I take 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of EQ. I am able to do things physically that my brother can't do. But I know I am eventually going to die of a heart attack as everyone in my family does. But right now I'm the only one that doesn't have heart and BP issues and all but one of my brothers are younger than me (three younger, one older) so I'm ahead of the game despite my steroid use though I do have an enlarged heart and a thickening of the left ventricle.

So I'm making that trade off of quality of life now and maybe losing some years off my life.

http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrotest.html

Good post. I'm sure you feel (and look) a lot better than most guys your age, and even if it does chip some years off your lifespan.. hell, what's so fun to sit on your butt all day at a really old age anyway? For someone that has been active and on the roll most of the time - it's a nightmare.

[equipoise]

   In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
    Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.

    I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.

In Europe pharma test is not hard to get. Greek norma, galenika in serbia etc. Can also go UK so it's so easily available (and 100% legal to possess but not to sell)

[Big Chiro Flex]

   In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
    Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.

    I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.

250mgs of test gave you gyno?  Son...you might be a woman.

[simon]

Damn, badass dad, it sucks big time he has that issue when body is still intact.

Do you know what was his usual choice of substances?

Test, lots and lots of test.

[da_vinci]

Test, lots and lots of test.

Good choice!

[bigmikecox]

Take the countermeasures - more cardio for ex. Esp hiit cardio.

I do cardio 6 days a week now for 30 minutes at a time.

[johnnynoname]

i think if you're on the gas (and specifically blasting and crusing) you should have a "I'm gonna eventually ween myself" time frame in mind

I don't care if you get your blood work done every three months or whatever

in my mind, there should be a end date........then after said end date you maybe can do TRT under a dr's supervision

now- if you're planning on being a IFBB pro then there is a different story

In time you grow up and being the biggest, most shredded guy starts to mean less and less

That's what happened to me.....now, I"m slowly learning to accept loving who I am no matter what my midsection looks like...it's a battle sometimes though

TL/DR----try and come off of gear...don't plan on shooting up all your life

[oldgolds]

If he juiced for 30 years straight, he was demented a long time ago..

[simon]

fuck you asshole, way uncalled for you bitter piece of shit.  Go troll somewhere else

[Disgusted]

It's all diet. Keep your sugar content low no matter what type of diet and eat whole foods you will stay healthy. 

[da_vinci]

i think if you're on the gas (and specifically blasting and crusing) you should have a "I'm gonna eventually ween myself" time frame in mind

I don't care if you get your blood work done every three months or whatever

in my mind, there should be a end date........then after said end date you maybe can do TRT under a dr's supervision

now- if you're planning on being a IFBB pro then there is a different story

In time you grow up and being the biggest, most shredded guy starts to mean less and less

That's what happened to me.....now, I"m slowly learning to accept loving who I am no matter what my midsection looks like...it's a battle sometimes though

TL/DR----try and come off of gear...don't plan on shooting up all your life

I have a few friends, both approaching 60's, have been using for like 30 years, small doses, consistently, both strong and healthy as horses, can't see them comming off anytime soon, why would they afterall, the quality of life outweights any possible future risk for them by a lot. It's not like many males live over age 70 anyway, and they almost made it to that age at a peak physical performance, win.

[10pints]

fuck you asshole, way uncalled for you bitter piece of shit.  Go troll somewhere else

Come on, give the guy some credit. I thought it was pretty funny.