Twinlab's ol school, it seems they've fallen off. I'm not really a big fan of their products as well. They haven't come out with anything good lately, mostly gimmicky supplements like their Nitrate Fuel Shot (liquid arginine), andro nitrate fuel 4 (trib n eurycoma longjack in small amounts) and their trib fuel is very weak as well (250 mg trib per tab). One supplement I liked was the MRP Nitrate Fuel, but for some reason they discontinued it. Is was bout 42 grams of protein, 24 grams of a multi wholegrain carb source and it also had EFA's. Other than that, I think they're sports nutrition line up sucks. For example: Glutamine Fuel (it's not cost efficient in capsule form), Glutamine powder (it has silica added as a filler, WTF) Creatine Nitrate Fuel (Ugh real nasty n thick) Amino Fuel (capsule and liquid, all garbage) It's a shame cuz they've been around since day 1. Hope they make a comeback!