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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2016, 02:01:35 PM »
I don't think it should. It's disempowering for black kids to hear that their ancestors were slaves treated like animals and creates resentment towards those who had nothing to do with customs and laws dating back 400 years. It also creates subliminal feelings of superiority for white kids to hear that whites owned blacks for 250 years.

Other than instilling misguided guilt in liberal white kids whose ancestors didn't arrive here until well after slavery was abolished, what's the point?
they should  teach that it was black people that made them slaves in the first place and sold them....thats  thing that black people that arenragging on whites always forgets and nevee mention

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2016, 02:03:18 PM »
I'll accept the trolling. How long did slavery, not just in this country, but in the New World last? Each Euro country had it's own unique form. How did slavery shape Americabe views of race and each other?

It is is white washing, no two ways about it. Slavery and the Industurial Revolution are what shaped this country, morally and economically. Depending on where you live,  a lot of time is spent on the topics you listed, but those are events. Kids in HS also spend a lot of time on civics/government, yet most people don't know the three branches of government, which came first the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. Constitution. And many still don't know what the Electoral College is, some even believe it is a real college that you can enroll in.
Bottom line, when it comes to our own history, Americans know or care very little for it, yet people in other countries know more about America than its own citizens. Now that should be your biggest question.

Are they in the ACC?  :)

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2016, 02:04:19 PM »
First one is commonly known.

Any peer-reviewed references for the other claims?

https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~arihuang/academic/abg/slavery/history.html

Link has documentation at the bottom of the page.  Interesting information.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2016, 02:07:15 PM »
In principle history is not taught to make people feel a certain way but in fact the history taught in schools does suck. Certain things get *cleansed* all the time. I'm all for  fixing it up but I would recommend a more comprehensive approach. Black people haven't even been able to vote for 50 years so you can try to erase it but there's the problem of the folks who are still alive with recollections of mistreatment. This is another unfortunate side effect of slavery, the historical artifacts are not so easy to be rid of. This is why I advocate for the complete elimination of the concept of race as the final solution to this problem.





As long as you have continents with Africans, Asians, Euros, and Indians the concept of race will not be eliminated. It's a liberal fools dream.
And let's not forget colorism.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2016, 02:48:14 PM »
As long as you have continents with Africans, Asians, Euros, and Indians the concept of race will not be eliminated. It's a liberal fools dream.
And let's not forget colorism.

it's certainly a provocative proposal but you can't just slander this notion as liberal idiocy without elaborating!

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2016, 04:14:17 PM »
only as a hands on course....
Figures...:D




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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2016, 06:40:45 PM »
Yes, they should know that they bought and sold themselves into slavery, owned slaves themselves, the first slave owner in America was a black man, and some blacks owned the most slaves in a state.


You forgot to add that it was Whitey that freed the slaves.
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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2016, 06:46:14 PM »

You forgot to add that it was Whitey that freed the slaves.

That would me telling people the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2016, 08:28:23 PM »
Yes, they should know that they bought and sold themselves into slavery, owned slaves themselves, the first slave owner in America was a black man, and some blacks owned the most slaves in a state.
This quote makes no sense, my hook-nosed Ashkenazi friend.

Your beloved grandpa was a slave-owner Adam, correct?

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2016, 08:31:36 PM »
I need to go to bed, I mis-read the title of this thread.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2016, 07:16:50 AM »
This quote makes no sense, my hook-nosed Ashkenazi friend.

Your beloved grandpa was a slave-owner Adam, correct?

He either didn't finish reading the stories or is playing fast and loose with the truth. For example, the Dutch captured the one guy Adumbass is referencing and sold him as an indentured servant. Once his servitude was up he got land and also had indentured servants. We all know Irish, Italians, and others were indentured servants with free children. The black dude had an indentured servant who felt working for someone else was in his best interests. Since the indentured servant wasn't from a British commonwealth, he was classified as property. He might technically be him the first in America to legally own a person as property but that's a very self-serving interpretation in regards to slavery and blurring the lines in cases where it was occurring simultaneously with indentured servitude.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2016, 07:50:26 AM »
It's an important time in our history that still affects how people today's world.

I don't know if covering it imparts false senses of insecurity or security.

Considering today's politically correct climate... books will eventually be rewritten so kids are taught blacks weren't slaves. New books will say they wanted to come here, worked to pay back, expenses, and any whipping was just to teach us rhythm. :)

Bingo! The goal should be to teach the evils of slavery and the social injustice that went with it.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2016, 08:22:54 AM »
He either didn't finish reading the stories or is playing fast and loose with the truth. For example, the Dutch captured the one guy Adumbass is referencing and sold him as an indentured servant. Once his servitude was up he got land and also had indentured servants. We all know Irish, Italians, and others were indentured servants with free children. The black dude had an indentured servant who felt working for someone else was in his best interests. Since the indentured servant wasn't from a British commonwealth, he was classified as property. He might technically be him the first in America to legally own a person as property but that's a very self-serving interpretation in regards to slavery and blurring the lines in cases where it was occurring simultaneously with indentured servitude.
Might I also remind that one of the LARGEST Slave owners in the South was a Free Black man in Carteret County, NC.  John Carruthers Stanly




John Carruthers Stanly
1774-1846
Black Slaveholder



Stanly, born a slave in 1774, was the son of an African Ibo woman and the white prominent merchant-shipper John Wright Stanly. He was apprenticed to Alexander and Lydia Stewart, close friends and neighbors of his father.  They saw to it that John received an education and learned the trade of barbering.  At an early age, they helped him establish his own barbershop in New Bern.  Many of the town’s farmers and planters frequented his barbershop for a shave or a trim. As a result, Stanly developed a successful business.  By the time he reached the age of twenty-one, literate and economically able to provide for himself, his owners petitioned the Craven County court in 1795 for his emancipation. However, he was not completely satisfied with the ruling of the court and in 1798, through a special act, the state legislature confirmed the emancipation of John Carruthers Stanly, which entitled him to all rights and privileges of a free person.

Between 1800 and 1801, Stanly purchased his slave wife, Kitty, and two mulatto slave children. By March 1805, they were emancipated by the Craven County Superior Court. A few days later, Kitty and Stanly were legally married in New Bern and posted a legal marriage bond in Raleigh. Stanly’s wife was the daughter of Richard and Mary Green and the paternal granddaughter of Amelia Green. Two years later, in 1807, Stanly was successful in getting the court to emancipate his wife’s brother.

Some politically correct Court Historians end the story here, if they acknowledge the existence of black slaveholders at all.  What a noble thing, to purchase and emancipate one's own family!  But there is much more to the story.

After securing his own and his family’s freedom, Stanly began to focus more on business matters. He obtained other slaves to work for him.  Two of them, Boston and Brister, were taught the barbering trade. Once they became skillful barbers, Stanly let them run the operation while he used the money they helped him earn to invest in additional town property, farmland, and more slaves.

Through his business acumen, Stanley eventually became a very wealthy plantation owner and the largest slaveholder in all of Craven County. He profited from investments in real estate, rental properties, the slave operated barbershop, and plantations from which he sold commodities such as cotton and turpentine.

Stanly’s plantations and rental properties were operated by skilled slaves along with help from some hired free blacks. To improve his rental properties in New Bern, he used skilled slaves and free blacks to build cabins and other residences and to repair and renovate these properties. During the depression of the early 1820s it was slave labor that kept Stanly economically stable.

The 1830 census reveals that Stanly owned, 163 slaves. He has been described as a harsh, profit-minded task master whose treatment of his slaves was no different than the treatment slaves received from white owners. Stanly’s goal, shared by white southern planters, was on expanding his operations and increasing his profits.

During the early 1820s, Stanly’s wife, Kitty, was taken seriously ill.  She became bedridden and, despite careful attention by two slave nurses, she died around 1824. It was at this same time that Stanly began to face a series of financial difficulties.  His fortune began to plummet when the Bank of New Bern, due to the national bank tightening controls of some state and local banks, was forced to collect all outstanding debts. Unfortunately, Stanly had countersigned a security note for John Stanly, his white half-brother, in the amount of $14,962. Stanly was forced to assume the debt. This, along with his own debts forced him to refinance his mortgages and sell large pieces of property, including slaves. When these options did not resolve his economic woes, he resorted to mortgaging his turpentine, cotton, and corn crops, as well as selling his barbershop, which had been operating continuously for forty years. Without a steady flow of income, his fortunes continued to decline.  In 1843, his last 160 acres of land were sold at public auction. Three years later, at the age of 74,  John Carruthers Stanly died.  At the time of his death he still owned seven slaves.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2016, 08:24:34 AM »

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2016, 09:57:35 AM »
So a wealthy slaveowner would forgo having sex with his freshly showered and perfumed white wife to sneak into the horse stalls and have sex with the black woman who hadn't showered in weeks and then impregnate her? Seems like the template for alpha males like Arnold was well laid hundreds of years ago.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2016, 07:04:04 PM »
i'm not sure about slavery - but slayer should definitely be taught in schools


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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2016, 10:45:22 PM »
I don't think it should. It's disempowering for black kids to hear that their ancestors were slaves treated like animals and creates resentment towards those who had nothing to do with customs and laws dating back 400 years. It also creates subliminal feelings of superiority for white kids to hear that whites owned blacks for 250 years.

Other than instilling misguided guilt in liberal white kids whose ancestors didn't arrive here until well after slavery was abolished, what's the point?
Modern Schools is where the elites now train their wage slaves.  In some ways the olden day slaves had it better, back then a slave owner had a responsibility to house, feed and provide medical assistance to their workers.  These days wage slaves are left to fend for themselves with minimal resources.  The Elites are as clever as fuck, they have convinced the masses from the working and underclasses that they aren't actually slaves all the while convincing them that class mobility is much more prevalent than what it really is.  Ingenious.
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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2016, 03:30:43 AM »
Modern Schools is where the elites now train their wage slaves.  In some ways the olden day slaves had it better, back then a slave owner had a responsibility to house, feed and provide medical assistance to their workers.  These days wage slaves are left to fend for themselves with minimal resources.  The Elites are as clever as fuck, they have convinced the masses from the working and underclasses that they aren't actually slaves all the while convincing them that class mobility is much more prevalent than what it really is.  Ingenious.

Pretty good observation.
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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2016, 03:44:14 AM »
Pretty good observation.

Well, that's my take on it anyway.  It's a marxist viewpoint, based on cultural hegemony which describes the domination of a culturally diverse society by the ruling class, who manipulate the culture of that society — the beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values, and mores — so that their ruling-class worldview becomes the worldview that is imposed and accepted as the cultural norm; as the universally valid dominant ideology that justifies the social, political, and economic status quo as natural, inevitable, perpetual and beneficial for everyone, rather than as artificial social constructs that benefit only the ruling class.
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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2016, 05:12:19 AM »
First one is commonly known.

Any peer-reviewed references for the other claims?


Nope...all true


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison
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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2016, 05:24:06 AM »

Nope...all true


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison

I've tried typing this slowly in the past but it doesn't seem to make any difference:

Wiki

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a peer-reviewed

source.

Any retard with the internet and a computer can make Wiki entries.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2016, 05:32:52 AM »
I've tried typing this slowly in the past but it doesn't seem to make any difference:

Wiki

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not

a peer-reviewed

source.

Any retard with the internet and a computer can make Wiki entries.

Lmao at Vince thinking a Wikipedia page is peer-reviewed. :D
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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2016, 05:37:41 AM »
Lmao at Vince thinking a Wikipedia page is peer-reviewed. :D

He's not alone in thinking it to be a definitive, reliable, source.

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Re: Should Slavery be Taught in Schools?
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2016, 05:38:10 AM »
of course it should be taught, it's still a common practice world wide; especially in the Religion of Peace


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