Re: having kids....

[cephissus]

I think many ignore that there are different levels of involvement in these things, and always take it from the view of the ultra strict, all consuming Catholic lifestyle.   Many people practice different forms of religion, and some just go to church and takeaway decent life lessons, a sense of community, etc....Many people are also well adjusted enough that when they get older they can balance what they've been taught vs what they think and formulate their own opinions.

The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.

You're viewing it through your own lens of personal experience.  Which is fine.   You're a good dude, but you're also the type of person who could worry themselves into a coma if they felt they added too many radishes to their salad.  So, I'm not sure you're the best measure to use as a baseline.

Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing.  And many others can say the same.

[OB1]

The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.

Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing.  And many others can say the same.

I can.

[Man of Steel]

What have I made up?

My parents were a lot like you.  In the "Christian worldview", as you like to say, we were a picture-perfect family.

It won't last.  Your descendants will end up as godless as those you bicker with on this forum.

I'm sorry that your family lost their way.

Will this world continue to become increasingly more and more Godless?  Yes.

Am I going to abandon my children because of that eventuality?  Not for a moment.

My grandparents went to their graves with their faith in God.  My parents will go to their graves with their faith, my siblings will go to their graves with theirs and we're raising our children to make a choice for God also in their lives.  

I'm on a daily mission to arm myself to the hilt spiritually so I can prepare my children for the eventualities this world has in store for believers. 

This forum bickering serves a few important purposes and one of them is practice so that I can learn the perspective and tactics of those that hate God and oppose believers.   I can pass knowledge onto my kids so that they're 2-3 times more prepared than I was.

[Grape Ape]

The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.

Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing.

So, now that you've recognized that, can't you stop having them?

[Parker]

Sorry if I blamed you, call it a misunderstanding.

I didn't bother with the original thread at all, until you started with the God stuff.

That is why I said what I said. I was thinking this was the original thread from Thong Maniac. When you reminded me that it was not.

[Howard]

If I were God, I'd do this:

It would prove  God is a getbigger 

[Howard]

I'm sorry that your family lost their way.

Will this world continue to become increasingly more and more Godless?  Yes.

Am I going to abandon my children because of that eventuality?  Not for a moment.

My grandparents went to their graves with their faith in God.  My parents will go to their graves with their faith, my siblings will go to their graves with theirs and we're raising our children to make a choice for God also in their lives.  

I'm on a daily mission to arm myself to the hilt spiritually so I can prepare my children for the eventualities this world has in store for believers. 

This forum bickering serves a few important purposes and one of them is practice so that I can learn the perspective and tactics of those that hate God and oppose believers.   I can pass knowledge onto my kids so that they're 2-3 times more prepared than I was.

MOS ; serious , quick, basic question.

Do believe I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in Jesus like a born again Christian?

Thanks for an honest reply. 

[Howard]

Not to mention the complete confusion for the child of why they can't go.

I guess they could get used to it.  But I don't get the big deal of just going.

If you believe strong enough in anything, it doesn't make sense to not want to share that with your kids.  Anyway, once they get older, they'll make their own decisions.

Ok, all this philosophical debate is all well and good , but here's some get big reality .

1.Talk to a man who is thinking about having his 1st kid ( like Thong Maniac).
2. Have him watch at least 5 Jason Genova videos.
3. Tell that there is small but real chance he could end up with THAT as his future son.

Talk about effective birth control 

[SF1900]

MOS ; serious , quick, basic question.

Do believe I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in Jesus like a born again Christian?

Thanks for an honest reply. 

He won't answer this. If he does, Ill be surprised.

He's going to say something like, "This is not for me to say. This is a question that can only be answered by God. Your relationship with God is between yourself and him. In some way, you will have to answer to your God." I believe he has said something like this in the past.

Deep down inside, MOS does think you're going to Hell. He just doesn't want to say so, because he doesn't want to come across as a "mean" Christian.

[OB1]

He won't answer this. If he does, Ill be surprised.

He's going to say something like, "This is not for me to say. This is a question that can only be answered by God. Your relationship with God is between yourself and him. In some way, you will have to answer to your God." I believe he has said something like this in the past.

Deep down inside, MOS does think you're going to Hell. He just doesn't want to say so, because he doesn't want to come across as a "mean" Christian.

Sounds quite accurate to me.

[Primemuscle]

You have to understand that when Prime see's the word "anal", he gets wet around the rim and all his senses become blurred.

You would know.

[Man of Steel]

MOS ; serious , quick, basic question.

Do believe I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in Jesus like a born again Christian?

Thanks for an honest reply. 

Yes.  Those that reject Jesus Christ as God, Lord and Savior have no advocate before the Father and they will be judged according to their life and offenses committed against God therein.

That's another reason I persist on these boards, but despite the mockery and ridicule (of which you provide none...thank you) I still love these folks because I know what it means to live as a person without Christ and a person with Christ.  He can make a decent man a righteous man and he can make a complete wretch of a man a brand new creature clothed in righteousness.  Seeing the transformation in people's lives (and in my own) has been awesome.   

Don't want to see any of you separated from God forever.  All I can do is share Jesus Christ and pray for God's drawing upon your lives.

[da_vinci]

The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.

Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing.  And many others can say the same.

My good friend has been royally fucked up by his very religious parents (not christians, but that doesn't matter). Has lots of passive agression towards them now, even tho he's still quite religious, but more confused than religious. He's weak too, just as were his parents, and he doesn't like it (deprssed often). His family instead of raising him as a strong individual, consciously conditioned him to indulge in a religious "buzz". Well they didn't know any better, quite difficult to find who's responsible for what.

[ritch]

Just another random message saying "don't do it man" Don't have kids, ya not gonna sleep or sleep in for a long ass time....

[DroppingPlates]

Yes.  Those that reject Jesus Christ as God, Lord and Savior have no advocate before the Father and they will be judged according to their life and offenses committed against God therein.

That's another reason I persist on these boards, but despite the mockery and ridicule (of which you provide none...thank you) I still love these folks because I know what it means to live as a person without Christ and a person with Christ.  He can make a decent man a righteous man and he can make a complete wretch of a man a brand new creature clothed in righteousness.  Seeing the transformation in people's lives (and in my own) has been awesome.   

Don't want to see any of you separated from God forever.  All I can do is share Jesus Christ and pray for God's drawing upon your lives.

It's disappointing that you say that, since I thought you weren't a God fearing Christian..

[Radical Plato]

Yes.  Those that reject Jesus Christ as God, Lord and Savior have no advocate before the Father and they will be judged according to their life and offenses committed against God therein.

That's another reason I persist on these boards, but despite the mockery and ridicule (of which you provide none...thank you) I still love these folks because I know what it means to live as a person without Christ and a person with Christ.  He can make a decent man a righteous man and he can make a complete wretch of a man a brand new creature clothed in righteousness.  Seeing the transformation in people's lives (and in my own) has been awesome.  

Don't want to see any of you separated from God forever.  All I can do is share Jesus Christ and pray for God's drawing upon your lives.

This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him.  It's absurd in the extreme.

And there are no decent men, we are made indecent.  I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness.  I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete cun+s, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people.  They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense.  They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.

[SF1900]

This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him.  It's absurd in the extreme.

And there are no decent men, we are made indecent.  I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness.  I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete ciunts, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people.  They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense.  They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.

Behind it all, MOS is an extremely condescending person. This is why he constantly edits his posts, so he comes off as "nice" and "loving." But if you catch his original posts (without the edits), you see the real person shine through.

[da_vinci]

Behind it all, MOS is an extremely condescending person. This is why he constantly edits his posts, so he comes off as "nice" and "loving." But if you catch his original posts (without the edits), you see the real person shine through.

He "doesn't even read my posts" lol..  because I ask the "wrong" questions. I've had quite some religious debates in real life too. Needless to say every single one of these who tried arguing with me experienced a total nervous meltdown, sooner or later. And I do it in a very respectful manner (when irl), no ad hominem, no inappropriate remarks. I never do it with my newer friends who happen to be religious, even if they try (and they try pretty often. Probably feel that I have "something" that enables me to stay sober, and subconsciously they want to shake off that addiction too, so start discussions in hopes that someone will prove them wrong) because it's a straight way to get them avoid me, even if I do it in a very very respectful manner, the threat to a belief system presented by a pure critical thinking is way too much to handle.

[SF1900]

He "doesn't even read my posts" lol..  because I ask the "wrong" questions. I've had quite some religious debates in real life too. Needless to say every single one of these who tried arguing with me experienced a total nervous meltdown, sooner or later. And I do it in a very respectful manner (when irl), no ad hominem, no inappropriate remarks. I never do it with my newer friends who happen to be religious, even if they try (and they try pretty often. Probably feel that I have "something" that enables me to stay sober, and subconsciously they want to shake off that addiction too, so start discussions in hopes that someone will prove them wrong) because it's a straight way to get them avoid me, even if I do it in a very very respectful manner, the threat to a belief system presented by a pure critical thinking is way too much to handle.

I don't debate with religious people in real life. They tend to be stuck in their ways, and will never budge.

I debate on getbig, well, because its getbig.   

[OB1]

This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him.  It's absurd in the extreme.

And there are no decent men, we are made indecent.  I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness.  I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete cun+s, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people.  They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense.  They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.

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[cephissus]

So, now that you've recognized that, can't you stop having them?

To fix your mind, you have to change your beliefs.  To change your beliefs, you have to have the opportunity, desire, and strength to both learn and unlearn.

I'm trying.  But the mind is little understood.  Nietzsche said all animals are innocent, and man doubly so.  It was a good joke, but you have to suffer some ill-fortune to laugh at it.

Children have teachers, parents, time to learn, and clean, growing brains.  They build concepts and thought processes rapidly.  Adults have responsibilities, competitors, calcified minds, and doctors with "treatments" at the ready.

It's a hard day when you realize, at last, that you're the terminal branch of a sick family tree.  And this realization is in store for many present-day Christians.

[cephissus]

I'm sorry that your family lost their way.

Funny you should say this.  From your perspective, I lost my way.

Will this world continue to become increasingly more and more Godless?  Yes.

Am I going to abandon my children because of that eventuality?  Not for a moment.

They'll abandon you.  And if not, then their children will abandon them.

You're sowing the seeds of familial discord, and your descendants will reap them.

This forum bickering serves a few important purposes and one of them is practice so that I can learn the perspective and tactics of those that hate God and oppose believers.   I can pass knowledge onto my kids so that they're 2-3 times more prepared than I was.

You can prepare all you want, but you won't stem the tide.  And the harder you struggle, the more damage your children will take.

The reward for their piety, sadly, lies in this world, not the next.  And a dead God has little left to spare them.

[Radical Plato]

To fix your mind, you have to change your beliefs.  To change your beliefs, you have to have the opportunity, desire, and strength to both learn and unlearn.

I'm trying.  But the mind is little understood. Nietzsche said all animals are innocent, and man doubly so.  It was a good joke, but you have to suffer some ill-fortune to laugh at it.

Children have teachers, parents, time to learn, and clean, growing brains.  They build concepts and thought processes rapidly.  Adults have responsibilities, competitors, calcified minds, and doctors with "treatments" at the ready.

It's a hard day when you realize, at last, that you're the terminal branch of a sick family tree.  And this realization is in store for many present-day Christians.

I think Nietzsche wrote 'All of humanity is innocent of its existence; but women are doubly innocent'

Here it is in context

"Will and willingness.-- Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his head and smiled. "It is men," said he, "that corrupt women; and all the failings of women should be atoned by and improved in men. For it is man who creates for himself the image of woman, and woman forms herself according to this image."
"You are too kind-hearted about women," said one of those present; "you do not know them." The sage replied: "Will is the manner of men; willingness that of women. That is the law of the sexes - truly, a hard law for women. All of humanity is innocent of its existence; but women are doubly innocent. Who could have oil and kindness enough for them?"
"Damn oil! Damn kindness!" someone shouted out of the crowd; "Women need to be educated better!" - "Men need to be educated better," said the sage and beckoned to the youth to follow him. - The youth, however, did not follow him."

from Nietzsche's The Gay Science

I take it as a defining of the relationship between the sexes as a master/slave scenario, and that if women are poor servants that is because man is a poor master.  Basically women aren't as responsible as men, therefore men should lead better.

[OB1]

I take it as a defining of the relationship between the sexes as a master/slave scenario, and that if women are poor servants that is because man is a poor master.  Basically women aren't as responsible as men, therefore men should lead better.

Master/slave sounds a bit harsh.
Let's say active/passive.

[Radical Plato]

Master/slave sounds a bit harsh.
Let's say active/passive.

Well, you could use any number of definitions of duality to describe.

Maybe dominant/submissive is less harsh a description.  

And don't worry, the feminists labelled Nietzsche a misogynist for such musings.