Is every single supplement company committing fraud?

[Never1AShow]

None work.  All claim to work.  How can there be an entire industry based on pure horseshit?  I'm a very profreedom libertarian on many things, but how can this be allowed?  How is GNC not closed down?

PS, I don't need to hear about the one in 10,000 exception.

[OB1]

Nope. But most.

[Royalty]

None work.  All claim to work.  How can there be an entire industry based on pure horseshit?  I'm a very profreedom libertarian on many things, but how can this be allowed?  How is GNC not closed down?

PS, I don't need to hear about the one in 10,000 exception.

Preworkout supplements work

But they are way overpriced

[BB]

Frontline did a PBS special on this, this week. While a bit of it reeks of "hit" piece, some of it was quite interesting, especially how many of the major brands don't meet label claims or make substitutions for claimed ingredients. You can see it here -

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/supplements-and-safety/ .

[OB1]

Preworkout supplements work

But they are way overpriced

And underdosed most of the time.

[Yamcha]

if I didn't get my supplements for free, I don't think I'd ever use them again, except:
caffeine pills
and a high quality (supposedly) fish oil

[youandme]

Every? No.  Majority. Yes.
The mislabeling could be a big issue in the future. The claims, perhaps.
Deceptive, false, and misleading consumers is big money when it comes to consumer class actions.
There were a few mass tort attorneys advertising for clients who experienced liver failure due to dangerous supplements (superdrol some fat loss supplements too).....but what are they going to do get a million dollar judgment and actually get paid  
Problem - Do these companies carry insurance? I'm sure but not a lot. Especially for recall issues.  
More likely they have insurance for spoilage and partial product loss issues.  

Be interesting if someone on this board with more information on the industry chimed in.

[oldschoolfan]

if I didn't get my supplements for free, I don't think I'd ever use them again, except:
caffeine pills
and a high quality (supposedly) fish oil

mr yamcha are you saying basically that is all that works?

fuck thats scary.

[_aj_]

mr yamcha are you saying basically that is all that works?

fuck thats scary.

Anything that is remotely useful gets quickly hung on the elastic "steroid" list and made illegal.

[Desolate]

Frontline did a PBS special on this, this week. While a bit of it reeks of "hit" piece, some of it was quite interesting, especially how many of the major brands don't meet label claims or make substitutions for claimed ingredients. You can see it here -

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/supplements-and-safety/ .

I was going to post a new thread on this special, but this is good enough.

Thanks, BB.

[youandme]

Some supplement companies back in the 90s were selling basically wood powder and labeling it as protein powder.
Lol, one of those companies that did that is still around.

[Desolate]

I use protein supplements.

I still believe in vitamin and mineral supplements.

I take fish oil too.

I make my own drinks/shakes to get fruits and vegetables I don't usually like on their own.

I try to get a good amount of salads and I make my own vegetable soups.

[oldgolds]

The NY attorney general got samples from Walmart, Target, GNC,CVS and had  them analyzed at a lab, Only 20% actually contained the ingredients listed on the label....80% were complete frauds...GNC is now having all their supplements DNA tested.

[Yamcha]

mr yamcha are you saying basically that is all that works?

fuck thats scary.

how else am I gonna turn pro?

[Desolate]

The NY attorney general got samples from Walmart, Target, GNC,CVS and had  them analyzed at a lab, Only 20% actually contained the ingredients listed on the label....80% were complete frauds...GNC is now having all their supplements DNA tested.

Crazy.

It pisses me off though that the government doesn't watch and regulate the industry.

I don't want to hear the lies that there is insufficient government funds to do so.

That's crap.

[youandme]

Crazy.

It pisses me off though that the government doesn't watch and regulate the industry.

I don't want to hear the lies that there is insufficient government funds to do so.

That's crap.

If you want government regulation of the industry then be prepared to pay $100 for a jug of protein powder.

[oldtimer1]

If you want government regulation of the industry then be prepared to pay $100 for a jug of protein powder.

You are joking right?  A $100 dollar increase?

There is zero regulation of supplements. You have no idea what's inside the stuff. No idea of the contaminants. Remember how contaminated Chinese sourced creatine was that the majority of supplement companies were using? The ingredients could be off. The clinical trials are a joke of a statement on their label.  There are glossy ads in muscle magazines that are supplements being made in a guy's garage. Sports Illustrated did an article on the supplement business way back. One guy was actually filling his jugs in his garage.

[youandme]

You are joking right?  A $100 dollar increase?

There is zero regulation of supplements. You have no idea what's inside the stuff. No idea of the contaminants. Remember how contaminated Chinese sourced creatine was that the majority of supplement companies were using? The ingredients could be off. The clinical trials are a joke of a statement on their label.  There are glossy ads in muscle magazines that are supplements being made in a guy's garage. Sports Illustrated did an article on the supplement business way back. One guy was actually filling his jugs in his garage.

Lol, $100 was an exaggeration but costs would go up. Like you pointed out that guy filling jugs in his garage would have to follow whatever guidelines the government put in place.  I once bought some protein powder and found crickets in it!! 

[Coffeed]

It blows my mind how a forum like this can be so enlightened on pro bodybuilding but in the dark when it comes to supplements.

So often you hear something along the lines of "Supplements are a scam, that's why I only take X, Y, Z, A, B, C, D, E, F."

Look at your pre-workout. It's caffeine.

Caffeine works and it's in just about every "energy booster" laced with god knows what else. What a joke.

[Rambone]

None work.  All claim to work.  How can there be an entire industry based on pure horseshit?  I'm a very profreedom libertarian on many things, but how can this be allowed?  How is GNC not closed down?

PS, I don't need to hear about the one in 10,000 exception.

I think of this every time I see one. They must still do a decent job preying on the naive youth and senile elderly. I can't see them being around in the next decade. The Blockbuster Videos of the supplement industry.

[falco]

Dat dere cell-tech was some serious shit. Stacked with acetabolan, you will became Jay Cutler.

[Grape Ape]

Creatine, protein powder, fish oils, etc...can all be used beneficially....

[SF1900]

A few years back, I went into GNC to browse. I picked up a muscletech product and Jay Cutler was on it. Some old man walked out from behind the counter and approached me. I asked him if I took X muscletech supplement, would I look like Jay Cutler. His response was, "Of course." 

[markofan]

A few years back, I went into GNC to browse. I picked up a muscletech product and Jay Cutler was on it. Some old man walked out from behind the counter and approached me. I asked him if I took X muscletech supplement, would I look like Jay Cutler. His response was, "Of course." 

That's true.  If he works for GNC he wouldn't lie.

[Mr Anabolic]

31 years training. 

Here is what works:

1. Creatine... but you only need about 50% of the amount the supp companies claim you need.

2. Protein/aminos... more is necessary when you are training balls to the wall.  BCAA's are very important, especially Leucine.

3. Caffeine... no more than 100mgs before the workout.

That's about it.