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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2016, 11:25:43 AM »
31 years training. 

Here is what works for me:

1. Creatine... but you only need about 50% of the amount the supp companies claim you need.

2. Protein/aminos... more is necessary when you are training balls to the wall.  BCAA's are very important, especially Leucine.

3. Caffeine... no more than 100mgs before the workout.

That's about it.
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2016, 11:32:46 AM »
None work.  All claim to work.  How can there be an entire industry based on pure horseshit?  I'm a very profreedom libertarian on many things, but how can this be allowed?  How is GNC not closed down?

PS, I don't need to hear about the one in 10,000 exception.

Because it is a deregulated industry. It is just business.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2016, 11:48:56 AM »
None work.  All claim to work.  How can there be an entire industry based on pure horseshit?  I'm a very profreedom libertarian on many things, but how can this be allowed?  How is GNC not closed down?

PS, I don't need to hear about the one in 10,000 exception.

The US congress led by Sen Hatch (R) of Utah, backed legislation to
insure supplement companies could avoid full disclosure .
http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2014/10/hatch-marks-20th-anniversary-of-the-dietary-supplement-health-and-education-act-dshea

The above link is only one example of this, but the trend has moved to keep GOV out of inspecting most supps.
In my opinion, without some form of inspection, the industry becomes the wild west and buyer beware.
Imagine the meat and poultry industry without GOV meat inspectors?! Talk about run away disease and illness!

Obviously, there were some pros and cons of this kind of "hands off" , buyer beware policy.

1. I now buy most of my supplements at big box , discount stores, like Wal-Mart or Target.
They tend to offer the best prices and are big enough to avoid useless gimmick supps .

If a start up/new supplement brand is found fraudulent, it likely won't make much noise in the media.
That's why Gorilla Balls mass powder can be total fake crap. BUT, it still can cash in with meatheads, then folds without much trouble.

2. I stick with basic, proven stuff and avoid gimmicks when possible. I use:
 Body Fortress or Six Star Whey Isolate protein, avg Wal-Mart price is around 18-20 bucks per 1.5 lbs and it tastes good.
Fish Oil tabs ( burp free) , Vit/min tabs , Various thermogenic (tabs and or powders)
BPI - Vortex is sold at Wal_mart, mixes easy , tastes good and gives me a pre workout lift.
I also use Glucosimine/Chondrotin tabs for joints.

If a supp doesn't help, I simply stop buying it and chalk it up to experience.

3. For my testosterone levels , I am on prescribed Androgel and have been for the past decade.
Test levels stay in the 600's mg/dl and no side effects and decent levels on my 20 indicator annual blood work.

Supplements were meant to be just that, a SUPPPLEMENT to add a bit more to an existing good diet.
FOOD in the form of quality lean meats, dairy grains , fruits and veggies is still the most important aspect of your nutrition.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2016, 12:36:52 PM »
if I didn't get my supplements for free, I don't think I'd ever use them again, except:
caffeine pills
and a high quality (supposedly) fish oil

do some research on fish oil.

it has no benefit whatsoever unless you are a lactating mother, and in that case the benefit is very minor.

try looking at actual qualified research, not BS studies pushed by manufacturers. \

adelaide university in australia did the study im referring to.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2016, 02:07:35 PM »
Sure, caffeine works a little to rev you up.  It is being sold through fraud at a 10x markup in these supplements.  99 percent of everything on GNC's shelves is fraud.  Making false claims is not "just business."  It is fraud and should be stopped.  It is way way way beyond some kind of let the buyer beware scenario.  But it has gone on for so long and is so entrenched and moneyed up that nothing is done to stop it.

Imagine the auto industry selling cars where less than 1 in a 100 was able to drive a mile down the road.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2016, 08:56:59 PM »
do some research on fish oil.

it has no benefit whatsoever unless you are a lactating mother, and in that case the benefit is very minor.

try looking at actual qualified research, not BS studies pushed by manufacturers. \

adelaide university in australia did the study im referring to.

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Hmmmm, I thought not...

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2016, 09:33:16 PM »
Fish oil is in about the same category as fart powder.
Basically close to useless.
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2016, 04:51:22 AM »


Let me guess, you're 20 years old.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2016, 05:34:43 AM »
Fish oil is in about the same category as fart powder.
Basically close to useless.


I guess you're gonna tell me now that nutraceutical anti-inflammatory are bullshit too?

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2016, 06:52:51 AM »
31 years training. 

Here is what works:

1. Creatine... but you only need about 50% of the amount the supp companies claim you need.

2. Protein/aminos... more is necessary when you are training balls to the wall.  BCAA's are very important, especially Leucine.

3. Caffeine... no more than 100mgs before the workout.



That's about it.

Why no more than 100 Mgs?  That's like a half cup of good coffee

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2016, 06:57:38 AM »
Why no more than 100 Mgs?  That's like a half cup of good coffee

It's actually about a whole cup.

If someone needs more than that to get a pre-workout buzz, they're already taking too much per day.  I save it for pre-workout only

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2016, 08:31:14 AM »
Fish oil is in about the same category as fart powder.
Basically close to useless.


I disagree.

I see a huge need and market with the ladies here.
Fart powder = looking and SOUNDING sexy in her yoga pants.

Nothing makes a sexy lady feel better then hearing ; " Damn sweety, your butt smells." ;D

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2016, 08:34:01 AM »
I guess you're gonna tell me now that nutraceutical anti-inflammatory are bullshit too?

Probably not.
No experience with those.
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2016, 08:36:07 AM »
I disagree.

I see a huge need and market with the ladies here.
Fart powder = looking and SOUNDING sexy in her yoga pants.

Nothing makes a sexy lady feel better then hearing ; " Damn sweety, your butt smells." ;D

 :D
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2016, 08:52:24 AM »
None work.  All claim to work.  How can there be an entire industry based on pure horseshit?  I'm a very profreedom libertarian on many things, but how can this be allowed?  How is GNC not closed down?

PS, I don't need to hear about the one in 10,000 exception.

In America it is expected that you are intelligent and can think for yourself and that bad businesses go out of businesses. Some level of discernment and intelligence is expected from the citizen on average to uphold this natural order of things.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2016, 08:52:54 AM »
Supplements are meant to supplement a healthy diet not replace it.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2016, 08:56:58 AM »
I guess you're gonna tell me now that nutraceutical anti-inflammatory are bullshit too?

Let me tell you instead. A lot of the commercial versions are complete bullshit.
It's not just bodybuilding, the entire supplement industry is mostly bullshit.
There are still only a handfull of useful items like caffeine, B&C vitamins and possibly fish oils but the benefit is overstated. Most supplements are overpriced containing some real products if you are lucky and lots of unproven crap thrown in.
When patients ask me I tell them it's their choice but I advise them to save their money.
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2016, 08:57:15 AM »
It's actually about a whole cup.

If someone needs more than that to get a pre-workout buzz, they're already taking too much per day.  I save it for pre-workout only

100% bullshit
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2016, 08:58:44 AM »
Supplements are meant to supplement a healthy diet not replace it.

Nobody said it was.
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2016, 09:01:19 AM »
Buy supplements and support the sport
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2016, 09:07:58 AM »
Buy supplements and support the sport

THAT...or deal with seeing bodybuilders getting busy with old schmoes and grapefruit.

If the supps don't fly off the store shelves, the semen will fly in hotel rooms. FACT

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2016, 09:28:18 AM »
In America it is expected that you are intelligent and can think for yourself and that bad businesses go out of businesses. Some level of discernment and intelligence is expected from the citizen on average to uphold this natural order of things.

When based on obvious readily provable lies business crosses the line into fraud.  Fraud is illegal.  Just no one doing anything about it so need to crack down further. 

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2016, 09:35:06 AM »
Nobody said it was.
Nobody here said it was.

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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2016, 09:37:08 AM »
Nobody here said it was.

Your post kinda hinted to it.
So what are they good for then?
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Re: Is every single supplement company committing fraud?
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2016, 09:54:48 AM »
Your post kinda hinted to it.
So what are they good for then?

Sorry, I did not mean to. 

To make up (within reason) important vitamins/minerals which are lacking in sufficient quantity in  your dietary intake.   Right now I only take a vitamin/mineral pill once or twice a day and I pretty much eschew (unless they are on sale CHEAP!  ;D) those supplements that claim "all natural". 

All natural vitamin C for example comes from an orange, not a pill.  Even if the pill got its C from an orange it is no longer natural once it is made into pill form.

And no way would I ever get C from grapefruit.   ;D

Almost forgot to mention that I do drink a pre-workout concoction.  If not that then a Monster, a pop or tea.  They all work to help me wake up and get going with  some better than others.