I did overhead squats for the first time today

[Dave D]

But it's mostly true. They rarely win on policy. They win by promising free everything to young, influenced college kids and oppressed mostly lazy people that think they're entitled. You don't have to tell me why I get so much hate. I know this. I've known this for years. I get hate because people hate hearing the truth.

Coach loved the video demo and I don't care for politics but when you say stuff like the above you sound foolish.

You think the young/college aged and lazy make up enough of the vote to swing the election? Do you know the turnout percentages of these voters?

The vast MAJORITY of voting America works, they aren't looking for handouts. Of course there are others that do want everything free, but they aren't the ones who show up to political rally's with signs.

The popularity vote is almost always spilt, if it was as simple as persuading one group collectively elections would be simple.

[NaturalWonder83]

Do you understand the teaching method to an OH head squat, snatch balance and bar placement when it comes to the external rotation of the shoulders? The teaching starts with behind the neck press with the bar or PVC over the shoulder, hip and ankle with eyes in the neutral position. That video shows EXACTLY that. The load is directly balanced over those joints. As long as there is enough thoracic mobility and the load isn't shifting forward "butt wink" is irrelevant. Using the term "butt wink" is que term used when teaching the progression. What you see in that video is damn near textbook.

the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat

[Necrosis]

the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat

His elbows are bent quite clearly.

[Coach is Back!]

the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat

100% lock out does not mean a compensation for shoulder position. If it did his external rotation couldn't be in that position. But as it were, his elbows are locked as much as his elbows allow.

Ever do a behind the neck press? Tell me where the bar path is at the top of the movement? Heels are not off the floor. If they were it would be an indication of the load shifting forward. Clearly it's not.

If you think those are "common" mistakes of the overhead press then you need to do some extensive research on O-lifts for athletes.....not Olympic lifters.

Common mistakes...

Anterior pelvic tilt causing the load to shift and the HEELS to come off the ground.

Lack of external rotation in the shoulders causing the head to NOT "poke" through. If the bar were directly over the top of the head there would be little if any thoracic mobility. Also, the lack of external rotation would indicate lack of scap and thoracic mobility and again, causing the load to shift forward. Ever attempt an OH squat and have your mid back cramp up while in full overhead extension?

Lack of dorsi-flexion in the ankles.

Hip disfunction

Vulgum

Feet that pronate or supinate

Head NOT being through the bar

Squat depth

THOSE above are the COMMON mistakes.

[NaturalWonder83]

Ok coach believe what u want to want to believe
Yes your athlete is amazing
At 2 seconds in u can see the heels come off the floor
I'll go by what Kelly starret has taught me any day in person over you

100% lock out does not mean a compensation for shoulder position. If it did his external rotation couldn't be in that position. But as it were, his elbows are locked as much as his elbows allow.

Ever do a behind the neck press? Tell me where the bar path is at the top of the movement? Heels are not off the floor. If they were it would be an indication of the load shifting forward. Clearly it's not.

If you think those are "common" mistakes of the overhead press then you need to do some extensive research on O-lifts for athletes.....not Olympic lifters.

Common mistakes...

Anterior pelvic tilt causing the load to shift and the HEELS to come off the ground.

Lack of external rotation in the shoulders causing the head to NOT "poke" through. If the bar were directly over the top of the head there would be little if any thoracic mobility. Also, the lack of external rotation would indicate lack of scap and thoracic mobility and again, causing the load to shift forward. Ever attempt an OH squat and have your mid back cramp up while in full overhead extension?

Lack of dorsi-flexion in the ankles.

Hip disfunction

Vulgum

Feet that pronate or supinate

Head NOT being through the bar

Squat depth

THOSE above are the COMMON mistakes.

[Coach is Back!]

Ok coach believe what u want to want to believe
Yes your athlete is amazing
At 2 seconds in u can see the heels come off the floor
I'll go by what Kelly starret has taught me any day over you

I'll go one better when Dimitri Kolkov gave a seminar at my facility. This was last year. About 6 years after spending a week in Colorado Springs learning this crap for 6-8hrs per day and teaching it ever since. Starett is good as well.

[Coach is Back!]

[Straw Man]

I'll go one better when Dimitri Kolkov gave a seminar at my facility. This was last year. About 6 years after spending a week in Colorado Springs learning this crap for 6-8hrs per day and teaching it ever since. Starett is good as well.

I seriously doubt you learned anything

how many times have you been taught how to embed a YouTube video on this board and still the mystery eludes you

[Fuzzy Nuts]

I'll go one better when Dimitri Kolkov gave a seminar at my facility. This was last year. About 6 years after spending a week in Colorado Springs learning this crap for 6-8hrs per day and teaching it ever since. Starett is good as well.

Selling ripped off cookie cutter programs to the gullible and children. You're a hero.

[Coach is Back!]

Selling ripped off cookie cutter programs to the gullible and children. You're a hero.

And you're a homo

[Fuzzy Nuts]

And you're a homo

Yeah, and when we meet you will be blowing your rape whistle.

[Grape Ape]

Yes, completely useless.  Swiss ball, kettle weights, , etc... all part of the same absurd mentality.

Not useless at all.

Both are very good pieces of equipment for conditioning and strength.

[Coach is Back!]

Yeah, and when we meet you will be blowing your rape whistle.

We'll never meet. You don't have the balls. We could be standing right next to each other and you wouldn't have the balls to say who you actually are.

[NaturalWonder83]

We'll never meet. You don't have the balls. We could be standing right next to each other and you wouldn't have the balls to say who you actually are.

ive been asking u for years to come out to ct to train me
I'd pay for plane
Put u up in hotel
Or I come to u
For YEARS I've been asking

[NaturalWonder83]

I'm saying having elbows bent is the athlete compensating for shoulder issues

100% lock out does not mean a compensation for shoulder position. If it did his external rotation couldn't be in that position. But as it were, his elbows are locked as much as his elbows allow.

Ever do a behind the neck press? Tell me where the bar path is at the top of the movement? Heels are not off the floor. If they were it would be an indication of the load shifting forward. Clearly it's not.

If you think those are "common" mistakes of the overhead press then you need to do some extensive research on O-lifts for athletes.....not Olympic lifters.

Common mistakes...

Anterior pelvic tilt causing the load to shift and the HEELS to come off the ground.

Lack of external rotation in the shoulders causing the head to NOT "poke" through. If the bar were directly over the top of the head there would be little if any thoracic mobility. Also, the lack of external rotation would indicate lack of scap and thoracic mobility and again, causing the load to shift forward. Ever attempt an OH squat and have your mid back cramp up while in full overhead extension?

Lack of dorsi-flexion in the ankles.

Hip disfunction

Vulgum

Feet that pronate or supinate

Head NOT being through the bar

Squat depth

THOSE above are the COMMON mistakes.

[chaos]

ive been asking u for years to come out to ct to train me
I'd pay for plane
Put u up in hotel
Or I come to u
For YEARS I've been asking

Come on out Gene, I'll go with you!

[cephissus]

kelly starett pisses me off more than any other 'fitness expert'

not saying he's wrong but man if ever i had to punch someone in the face...

[Ropo]

the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat

You forgot the buttwink..

And the main problem is this: Average people find these exercises and try them without anything like knowledge how to do it right, but technique like this is just too demanding to average gym rat. The errors of his techniques are clear; her posture is not stable, because at the bottom of the squat his lower back is rounded, probably as the gluteus and the hamstrings are too tight. Why you shouldn't squat with the rounded lower back? Do I have to tell it? Most of the spinal disc herniation comes from this kind of errors, and that isn't nice thing to do to some guy who is paying you as his PT. It is obvious that real coach should know this, but for some getbig clown this could be unknown mystery: If your squat has the buttwink, don't squat until you can do it properly  

This exercise comes from the Olympic weightlifting, and those guys uses the weightlifting shoes, which has some heel, so your stand is different. These gym rats  try to do the same with the flat running shoes = buttwink = with heavy loads = a spinal hernia = the unsymmetrical pain at the lower back = most common back injury at the gym.

[CalvinH]

ive been asking u for years to come out to ct to train me
I'd pay for plane
Put u up in hotel
Or I come to u
For YEARS I've been asking

I hate when people don't come through when you want to workout with them!

[Coach is Back!]

You forgot the buttwink..

And the main problem is this: Average people find these exercises and try them without anything like knowledge how to do it right, but technique like this is just too demanding to average gym rat. The errors of his techniques are clear; her posture is not stable, because at the bottom of the squat his lower back is rounded, probably as the gluteus and the hamstrings are too tight. Why you shouldn't squat with the rounded lower back? Do I have to tell it? Most of the spinal disc herniation comes from this kind of errors, and that isn't nice thing to do to some guy who is paying you as his PT. It is obvious that real coach should know this, but for some getbig clown this could be unknown mystery: If your squat has the buttwink, don't squat until you can do it properly  

This exercise comes from the Olympic weightlifting, and those guys uses the weightlifting shoes, which has some heel, so your stand is different. These gym rats  try to do the same with the flat running shoes = buttwink = with heavy loads = a spinal hernia = the unsymmetrical pain at the lower back = most common back injury at the gym.

I think the most frustrating part of this thread is arguing with people that just chime in just to argue. You're one of them. Not once did you or COULD you address my post but rather just make an attempt to pick it apart as if you really know what the fuck you're talking about. Unless you teach this day in and day out and have a little something to back it up, out of all sincerity stay out of it.

But you would rather attack me rather than play off of someone else's post. You want to talk about this or do you want to have a civil debate about this? Just the fact you mentioned "average gym rat" "her" "rounded lower back" "buttwink" and expecting them to use $150 weight lifting shoes is a mind blower in itself. And BTW, where in any part of my posts did I say we use heavy loads on this? Where did I say that these were competitive Olympic weight lifters? You're clearly clueless.

And all due respect to Gene, I like him and I do think he's pretty well read when it comes to training but one lesson with Kelly Starett or anyone isn't the be all to end all. I can quote the USAW Manuel all day long and you won't  see "buttwink" "stick your butt out" or any cue like that. There isn't just one way to teach, there are many that end with similar results not one worse than another.

[bears]

Yes, everyone, but you. Here you go:

Compared to this dude whose technic is correct, the idiot on your video looks like a handicapped moron. Hope this helps..

you're comparing the oh squat of a 14 year old kid to Chris fucking Spealler.  seriously??

the 14 year old kid's form is perfectly acceptable.  is it perfect?  no.  why?  because the kid is 14 fucking god damn years fucking old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can he improve it and make it better?  yes?  you walk into 100 high schools and pick out some of their best athletes.  now have them perform an overhead squat with an empty bar.  they will all be for shit.  this kid is way ahead of the game for a kid his age. and you're comparing him to Chris Spealler.  You're a fuckin idiot.

[residue]

I have a mid 5's squat and a 95lb ohsquat still kills me.

[chaos]

I have a mid 5's squat and a 95lb ohsquat still kills me.

[Ropo]

I think the most frustrating part of this thread is arguing with people that just chime in just to argue. You're one of them. Not once did you or COULD you address my post but rather just make an attempt to pick it apart as if you really know what the fuck you're talking about. Unless you teach this day in and day out and have a little something to back it up, out of all sincerity stay out of it.

But you would rather attack me rather than play off of someone else's post. You want to talk about this or do you want to have a civil debate about this? Just the fact you mentioned "average gym rat" "her" "rounded lower back" "buttwink" and expecting them to use $150 weight lifting shoes is a mind blower in itself. And BTW, where in any part of my posts did I say we use heavy loads on this? Where did I say that these were competitive Olympic weight lifters? You're clearly clueless.

And all due respect to Gene, I like him and I do think he's pretty well read when it comes to training but one lesson with Kelly Starett or anyone isn't the be all to end all. I can quote the USAW Manuel all day long and you won't  see "buttwink" "stick your butt out" or any cue like that. There isn't just one way to teach, there are many that end with similar results not one worse than another.

Buttwink to butthurt ? Life is tough for an idiots..

[drkaje]

It's a challenging exercise for me. I'm not an expert and couldn't guess how much muscle it builds or to what extent better balance and core strength improves the traditional squat.