Apple vs. The Government

[Al Doggity]

Any thoughts on this epic battle?   My theory: the husband and wife terrorists' phone is an obvious and convenient red herring. Current legal tussle not about this phone, but about creating the magical slippery slope.

[Irongrip400]

No need for the government to intervene and force Apples hand in this matter. They should get their own hackers to break the security function of the phone, not force a company to do it. Gestapo tactics right der.

[OB1]

It's all show.
CrApple, Microshit and many others have backdoors for the government already incorporated in their products for many years.
If you want to make it a little harder for the government to spy on you use Linux.

[Coffeed]

On the surface this looked like a glamorous headline, but after looking at it it is certainly interesting.

I tend to agree with the rights over the people. I mean, like someone said it's a slippery slope and the rights of the people kept us from being run by communist dictators so there's that.

[Mitch]

It's all show.
CrApple, Microshit and many others have backdoors for the government already incorporated in their products for many years.
If you want to make it a little harder for the government to spy on you use Linux.

x2. Just a bullshit ad campaign to promote how safe apple products are. Tbombz's ass is more protected.

[oldtimer1]

So protection of terrorists is a noble thing? It's a court's order just like a warrant. Unless you believe law enforcement shouldn't have warrants to search computers and phones because it's a slippery slope.  Just typical liberal thought that is ruining this country.

[FitnessFrenzy]

x2. Just a bullshit ad campaign to promote how safe apple products are. Tbombz's ass is more protected.

interesting comparison. Really something to ponder. 

[Irongrip400]

So protection of terrorists is a noble thing? It's a court's order just like a warrant. Unless you believe law enforcement shouldn't have warrants to search computers and phones because it's a slippery slope.  Just typical liberal thought that is ruining this country.

It's not the same as a search warrant. You're forcing the manufacturer of the product to break into it for you. It's the same as the government forcing businesses to bake cakes for gay weddings. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not giving up my freedoms "just this one time" for the government.

[beakdoctor]

It's not the same as a search warrant. You're forcing the manufacturer of the product to break into it for you. It's the same as the government forcing businesses to bake cakes for gay weddings. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not giving up my freedoms "just this one time" for the government.

I didn't read the article but its not about YOU giving up YOUR freedpom just this one time. Its a search of an individial cell phone related to a specific event. There's obviously loads of Probable cause to justify searching the phone (s) that belonged to the shooters. Nobody cares about your phone.

Apple one of the greediest organizations ever taking the high road is hilarious. Apple doesnt give a fuck about your personal freedoms.

[Thin Lizzy]

It's not the same as a search warrant. You're forcing the manufacturer of the product to break into it for you. It's the same as the government forcing businesses to bake cakes for gay weddings. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not giving up my freedoms "just this one time" for the government.

Governments have a tendency of using tragedies to expand power and limit freedoms. The government could just get the phone records from ATT and Verizon.

[Disgusted]

The NSA had criticized Apple about a year ago because they encrypted their products. They accused them of protecting child molesters.   Apple can NOT get into that phone no matter what unless they can guess a simple password. The issue at hand is they want Apple to create a back door so they can get into your phone and computer.

I have spoken to Apple about this already regarding a phone my friend  could not remember his password. They said you might a well toss it unless you an remember your PW.   Apple gives you the option to use an advanced PW and from what I read you should have at least a 15 character one with various letters and numbers. Most people will not do this.

Some states have passed a new law I think NJ is one of them (perhaps Harley can verify) that if you get pulled over in you car they can now take your phone as evidence if you are charged with something or even if they suspect you have committed a crime.

[Nails]

[OB1]

The NSA had criticized Apple about a year ago because they encrypted their products. They accused them of protecting child molesters.   Apple can NOT get into that phone no matter what unless they can guess a simple password. The issue at hand is they want Apple to create a back door so they can get into your phone and computer.

With all due respect it's naive to think there's no backdoor in a device that has been mainly created to monitor the user's activities.

[Disgusted]

With all due respect it's naive to think there's no backdoor in a device that has been mainly created to monitor the user's activities.

Oh you may be right but I do know of a situation where local police took a mans phone and were unable to get in it. Maybe these back door devices are only reserved to certain agencies.

[Dave D]

I didn't read the article but its not about YOU giving up YOUR freedpom just this one time. Its a search of an individial cell phone related to a specific event. There's obviously loads of Probable cause to justify searching the phone (s) that belonged to the shooters. Nobody cares about your phone.

Apple one of the greediest organizations ever taking the high road is hilarious. Apple doesnt give a fuck about your personal freedoms.

Well thanks for your opinion on a topic you admittedly know nothing about.

[Al Doggity]

With all due respect it's naive to think there's no backdoor in a device that has been mainly created to monitor the user's activities.

Apple and your service provider don't need your password to monitor your activities.

[Al Doggity]

Well thanks for your opinion on a topic you admittedly know nothing about.

This poster needs to understand that once this court battle is decided, it becomes legal precedent. It affects future similar cases.

[Dave D]

So protection of terrorists is a noble thing? It's a court's order just like a warrant. Unless you believe law enforcement shouldn't have warrants to search computers and phones because it's a slippery slope.  Just typical liberal thought that is ruining this country.

Did you read the article? All this could be solved if  gun manufacturers would be required to invent a technology that won't allow the weapon to fire at an unarmed person.

[OB1]

Apple and your service provider don't need your password to monitor your activities.

Luckily I possess no crApple device.
And, yes I know.

[Disgusted]

Can someone give an example where a government agency has hacked into an Apple product using this "back door" technology?

[Dave D]

This poster needs to understand that once this court battle is decided, it becomes legal precedent. It affects future similar cases.

Agreed however based on the comment I don't think this concept is understood.

[OB1]

Can someone give an example where a government agency has hacked into an Apple product using this "back door" technology?

Link

[Disgusted]

Link

Not what we are talking about here. Apple has recently encrypted all there products and if your phone or computer is shut off no one can get in.

[SF1900]

Not what we are talking about here. Apple has recently encrypted all there products and if your phone or computer is shut off no one can get in.

This is dumb. What if you forget your password?  You have to buy a whole new phone?

[Disgusted]

This is dumb. What if you forget your password?  You have to buy a whole new phone?

Yes!