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Bernie Sanders Medicare
« on: February 18, 2016, 09:05:58 PM »
 I thought my wife misunderstood something or miss heard something because she told me the other day that Bernie Sanders wants to do away with regular insurance and have everybody on Medicare not just seniors but everybody. I don't really pay too much attention because I thought maybe it was just something she saw on Facebook. But I watch some of his Townhall tonight and that is exactly his plan.  He flat out said he wants to put everyone on Medicare.

 What are your guys thoughts on this ?

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 09:07:28 PM »
 Oh yeah bodybuilding related .... His face is always red, he looks like he has high blood pressure and could keel over at any moment.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 09:11:53 PM »
That won't work.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 09:17:12 PM »
The goal is Universal healthcare where everyone gets a card and you go into any hospital in the Country. The rich will still be able to use top notch doctors and specialist. The regular schmoe will get Dr. Melvin G where your health is a crap shoot.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 09:24:02 PM »
This Country can't even afford to take care of our elders who deserve Medicare. They are constantly decreasing the benefits for the people who really need it.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 11:08:51 PM »
It all doesn't matter because it's free.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 12:19:45 AM »
I thought my wife misunderstood something or miss heard something because she told me the other day that Bernie Sanders wants to do away with regular insurance and have everybody on Medicare not just seniors but everybody. I don't really pay too much attention because I thought maybe it was just something she saw on Facebook. But I watch some of his Townhall tonight and that is exactly his plan.  He flat out said he wants to put everyone on Medicare.

 What are your guys thoughts on this ?

Sorry stupid speak to text on phone.
You mean join the rest of the Industrialized world and actualyl have a healthcare system that SAVES money and is more efficient.

Why is it we pay MORE per capita per person in the United States but have WORSE outcomes than the rest of the world in terms of Healthcare?

http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World

   

June 17, 2014
The U.S. ranks worst among 11 wealthy nations in terms of “efficiency, equity and outcomes" despite having the world's most expensive health care system

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 12:22:13 AM »
This Country can't even afford to take care of our elders who deserve Medicare. They are constantly decreasing the benefits for the people who really need it.
They?  Meaning morons who fight for private insurances where profit is more important than human suffering and misery?

Hmmm, I wonder who those people are. Follow the money.

We are paying MORE right now than we would be if we had a Medicare for All system and we are getting less and worse treatment and health outcomes.

We are an EMBARRASSMENT to the rest of the world.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 12:26:09 AM »
It all doesn't matter because it's free.
Drug addict free?

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 12:32:03 AM »
That won't work.
Yes it would.  It would save Billions and Billions, eventually into the trillions by cutting out the middleman (Insurance companies) whose only goal is to drive and dictate prices and to deny coverage as to make as much money off of human suffering as possible.  There is no point to them other than that.

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Facts about National Health Insurance (NHI) You Might Not Know

The health care delivery system remains private. As opposed to a national health service, where the government employs doctors, in a national health insurance system, the government is billed, but doctors remain in private
practice.

A national health insurance program could save approximately $150 billion on paperwork alone. Because of the administrative complexities in our current system, over 25% of every health care dollar goes to marketing, billing,
utilization review, and other forms of waste. A single-payer system could reduce administrative costs greatly.

Most businesses would save money. Because a single-payer system is more efficient than our current system, health care costs are less, and therefore, businesses save money. In Canada, the three major auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, and Daimler-Chrysler) have all publicly endorsed Canada’s single-payer health system from a business and financial standpoint. In the United States, Ford pays more for its workers health insurance than it does for the steel to make its cars.

Under NHI, your insurance doesn’t depend on your job. Whether you’re a student, professor, or working part-time raising children, you’re provided with care. Not only does this lead to a healthier population, but it’s also beneficial from an economic standpoint: workers are less-tied to their
employers, and those that dislike their current positions can find new work
(where they would be happier and most likely more productive and efficient).

Myths about National Health Insurance (NHI)

The government would dictate how physicians practice medicine.
In countries with a national health insurance system, physicians are rarely questioned about their medical practices (and usually only in cases of expected fraud). Compare it to today’s system, where doctors routinely have to ask an insurance company permission to perform procedures, prescribe certain medications, or run certain tests to help their patients.

Waits for services would be extremely long.
Again, in countries with NHI, urgent care is always provided immediately. Other countries do experience some waits for elective procedures (like cataract removal), but maintaining the US’s same level of health expenditures (twice as much as the next-highest country), waits would be much shorter or even non-existent.

People will overutilize the system.
Most estimates do indicate that there would be some increased utilization of the system (mostly from the 42 million people that are currently uninsured and therefore not receiving adequate health care), however the staggering savings from a single-payer system would easily compensate for this. (And remember, doctors still control most health care utilization. Patients don’t receive prescriptions or tests because they want them; they receive them because their doctors have deemed them appropriate.)

Government programs are wasteful and inefficient.
Some are better than others, just as some businesses are better than others. Just to name a few of the most successful and helpful: the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control, and Social Security. Even consider Medicare, the government program for the elderly; its overhead is approximately 3%, while in private insurance companies, overhead and profits add up to 15-25%.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 12:34:52 AM »
Well, he lies less than the others. Give him that.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 12:35:39 AM »
Massive Savings.  Hilarious that Conservatives are too stupid to realize that Single Payer saves Trillions of dollars in the long run.  So much for being fiscally aware.   ::)

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 12:36:26 AM »
Well, he lies less than the others. Give him that.
What are you talking about?  Show me one instance where he lied or has lied?

You can't just say nonsense and float it as truth. 

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2016, 12:57:28 AM »
I hear Dr Malachi Love-Robinson is accepting new patients.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 01:39:58 AM »
What are you talking about?  Show me one instance where he lied or has lied?

You can't just say nonsense and float it as truth. 

Being a polietician his job is to lie.
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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2016, 03:35:53 AM »
On the interwebz, so it must be true...

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2016, 04:53:32 AM »
i know it's a EXTREMELY moot point but can people just post there own words and stop relying on the cut and paste


the irony is that "smart people" cut and paste to show how "smart" they are....fucking really?!

it's just so annoying, predictable and boring to be honest

I opened this thread and I already knew there was gonna be something "copy and pasted"

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2016, 05:01:19 AM »
i know it's a EXTREMELY moot point but can people just post there own words and stop relying on the cut and paste


the irony is that "smart people" cut and paste to show how "smart" they are....fucking really?!

it's just so annoying, predictable and boring to be honest

I opened this thread and I already knew there was gonna be something "copy and pasted"

The sad truth is, the "cut and paste" individuals do not think for themselves.  They rely on other persons ideas and research.  However, for every study that proves a point, you can find a study that will disprove that point.  IE, wine is good for the heart, but alcohol is poison for the body.  I personally like to take everything with a grain of salt, and make educated decisions based on a number of variables.  Not just based off of something I read online.   :-\

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2016, 05:05:14 AM »
The sad truth is, the "cut and paste" individuals do not think for themselves.  They rely on other persons ideas and research.  However, for every study that proves a point, you can find a study that will disprove that point.  IE, wine is good for the heart, but alcohol is poison for the body.  I personally like to take everything with a grain of salt, and make educated decisions based on a number of variables.  Not just based off of something I read online.   :-\

i just smh at the whole phenomenon

I'm not smart but I kinda sorta take pride in that when you read my words they are MY WORDS.


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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2016, 05:09:25 AM »
I kinda sorta take pride in that when you read my words they are MY WORDS.

Props for that.
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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2016, 05:21:32 AM »
i know it's a EXTREMELY moot point but can people just post there own words and stop relying on the cut and paste


the irony is that "smart people" cut and paste to show how "smart" they are....fucking really?!

it's just so annoying, predictable and boring to be honest

I opened this thread and I already knew there was gonna be something "copy and pasted"

You don't seem to understand Socialism. It's our right to have someone else do our dirty work for us. ;)

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2016, 05:26:58 AM »
You don't seem to understand Socialism. It's our right to have someone else do our dirty work for us. ;)

I haven't replied yet because I haven't quite found the right Neil DeGrasse Tyson article yet

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Re: Bernie Sanders Medicare
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2016, 06:31:07 AM »
Massive Savings.  Hilarious that Conservatives are too stupid to realize that Single Payer saves Trillions of dollars in the long run.  So much for being fiscally aware.   ::)

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost


thats the rub.
Conservative ideas consist of a huge list of do's and don'ts. Universal healthcare falls in the "Dont" category because it sounds like another step towards socialism.  In neocon theory, "single payer would only lead to various negative outcomes" (that arent proven by any measure.)
So while single payer might save money, it wont even get out of the gates to be explored because a dirty phrase to conservatives.