the retard pope goes after trump about the wall

[skillz]

In California they get WIC so I'm sure they get welfare or some other form of help. My wife's grandmother came here from Mexico in her 70's and she had government housing for years. She recently passed away at 104. She never paid into social security since she never had a job.  

[The True Adonis]

The American Action Forum is not some fringe group; it is well-entrenched in the establishment camp. Holtz-Eakin is a leading Republican economist who advised John McCain's presidential campaign in 2008. In 2013, he released a paper arguing that comprehensive reform would boost economic growth and reduce long-term deficits by $2.5 trillion. The group's board includes Michael Chertoff, the former homeland security secretary who helped lead President George W. Bush's immigration-reform push in 2006 and 2007. It also includes Elaine Chao, the labor secretary in the Bush administration and the wife of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

[Walter Sobchak]

He does not even realize that the study was conducted by Douglas Holtz-Eakin.

Economist
Douglas J. "Doug" Holtz-Eakin is an American economist. He was formerly an economics professor, Director of the Congressional Budget Office, and chief economic policy adviser to U.S. Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.

I understand how estimates are put together, and skewed, to make the author's point.

I could post analyses (FAIR etc) that estimate illegals could cost US Taxpayers in excess of $100 billion dollars a year. Over $100 billion a year bitchtits - that is a lot of obamaphones for Tyrone!!!!!!

I'm absolutely certain I understand how research and estimates are carried out.

The cost estimates posted only measure the fiscal cost, which weighs government spending (such as on public schools, medical care, incarceration and unemployment benefits) against government income (from income, property and sales taxes.) Anyone making this type of analysis can only make rough estimates, since it's almost impossible to gather accurate data about illegal residents.

either way, the upside is.....economists rarely have C-Cup bitchtits.

Bitchtits....

[Walter Sobchak]

In California they get WIC so I'm sure they get welfare or some other form of help. My wife's grandmother came here from Mexico in her 70's and she had government housing for years. She recently passed away at 104. She never paid into social security since she never had a job.  

Good Sir.....Mr. Bitchtits has never traveled more than a few miles outside his backwater Carolina hovel, so he must depend on Wikipedia for his worldly perspective

[SF1900]

I understand how estimates are put together, and skewed, to make the author's point.

I could post analyses (FAIR etc) that estimate illegals could cost US Taxpayers in excess of $100 billion dollars a year. Over $100 billion a year bitchtits - that is a lot of obamaphones for Tyrone!!!!!!

I'm absolutely certain I understand how research and estimates are carried out.

The cost estimates posted only measure the fiscal cost, which weighs government spending (such as on public schools, medical care, incarceration and unemployment benefits) against government income (from income, property and sales taxes.) Anyone making this type of analysis can only make rough estimates, since it's almost impossible to gather accurate data about illegal residents.

either way, the upside is.....economists rarely have C-Cup bitchtits.

Bitchtits....

So, then how do you ever come to a conclusion regarding any debate? There are HARDLY ever any absolute certainties in research.

[SF1900]

Good Sir.....Mr. Bitchtits has never traveled more than a few miles outside his backwater Carolina hovel, so he must depend on Wikipedia for his worldly perspective

If you think research is biased, worldly perspectives based on anecdotal evidence are even more biased. Humans are biased creatures. Research tries to fill that subjectivity gap. I am not too sure I'd trust someones worldly perspective either.

[Walter Sobchak]

So, then how do you ever come to a conclusion regarding any debate? There are HARDLY ever any absolute certainties in research.

Do you base all debate on mathematical estimates of cost or solely on numerical analysis?

If you want "absolute" certainties, you would have to refine the analysis until the uncertainty is removed.

And that would be a fool's errand in most if not all instances.

But hey.....knock yourself out if you have to live in a world of absolutes.

Your question has sweet fuck all to do with the > $100,000,000,000 burden illegals put on US Taxpayers.

[SF1900]

Do you base all debate on mathematical estimates of cost or solely on numerical analysis?

If you want "absolute" certainties, you would have to refine the analysis until the uncertainty is removed.

And that would be a fool's errand in most if not all instances.

But hey.....knock yourself out if you have to live in a world of absolutes.

Your question has sweet fuck all to do with the > $100,000,000,000 burden illegals put on US Taxpayers.

Walter, I stated that there were  no absolute certainties in research. I acknowledged that we don't live in a world of absolute certainties, hence why I said there are HARDLY any absolute certainties.

Well, no my question has to do with illegal immigrants because the research says one thing, and you choose to ignore the research. Thus, I am asking what evidence would convince you, since there are never no absolute certainties in research. What amount of evidence would you need to change your opinion regarding illegal immigrants? I suspect even if the evidence was overwhelming, you still would not change your opinion. No one likes to be wrong.

[Walter Sobchak]

If you think research is biased, worldly perspectives based on anecdotal evidence are even more biased. Humans are biased creatures. Research tries to fill that subjectivity gap. I am not too sure I'd trust someones worldly perspective either.

You've abandoned "absolutes"!

So how do illegals that don't "drain the system" (in any way in an absolute sense) collect WIC?

[Walter Sobchak]

Walter, I stated that there were  no absolute certainties in research. I acknowledged that we don't live in a world of absolute certainties, hence why I said there are HARDLY any absolute certainties.

Well, no my question has to do with illegal immigrants because the research says one thing, and you choose to ignore the research. Thus, I am asking what evidence would convince you, since there are never no absolute certainties in research. What amount of evidence would you need to change your opinion regarding illegal immigrants? I suspect even if the evidence was overwhelming, you still would not change your opinion. No one likes to be wrong.

Too easy.....

The empirical evidence of the effect illegal immigration has had on states like California.

[TuHolmes]

Too easy.....

The empirical evidence of the effect illegal immigration has had on states like California.

California has the biggest economy in the US.

It's like 7th largest in the world... Using California as a determination of how bad it is, is not very good and doesn't really fall in line with what you're saying.

[SF1900]

You've abandoned "absolutes"!

So how do illegals that don't "drain the system" (in any way in an absolute sense) collect WIC?

There are no such thing as absolutes. I said that above.

I don't know. Show me the evidence and I will read it. TA presented evidence. You said you don't agree with that evidence. Okay, thats fine. But I am not an expert on this stuff, nor do I actually read anything about it. Thus, I am open to any evidence you're willing to present, since my knowledge about this topic is extremely limited.

[Walter Sobchak]

California has the biggest economy in the US.

It's like 7th largest in the world... Using California as a determination of how bad it is, is not very good and doesn't really fall in line with what you're saying.

Really?

So illegals can bring the 7th largest and prosperous economy in the world to its knees, but that isn't a good example?

Ooooooookay....

[Walter Sobchak]

There are no such thing as absolutes. I said that above.

I don't know. Show me the evidence and I will read it. TA presented evidence. You said you don't agree with that evidence. Okay, thats fine. But I am not an expert on this stuff, nor do I actually read anything about it. Thus, I am open to any evidence you're willing to present, since my knowledge about this topic is extremely limited.

Who the fuck died and made you board arbitrator?

It's not hard to find studies on both sides of "impact of illegals on the economy".

Google that shit like Adam Bitchtits does, just try a little harder to comprehend it than he does.

Because that poor fucker makes Shizzo feel good about himself

[The True Adonis]

I just love it when people have opinions based on little to no data.  Really makes their arguments carry weight.

[SF1900]

Who the fuck died and made you board arbitrator?

It's not hard to find studies on both sides of "impact of illegals on the economy".

Google that shit like Adam Bitchtits does, just try a little harder to comprehend it than he does.

Because that poor fucker makes Shizzo feel good about himself

Shizzo did.

[Walter Sobchak]

I just love it when people have opinions based on little to no data.  Really makes their arguments carry weight.

Who are you talking to Tits?

You and your gimmicks?

Or in your mind do you think your Cut & Paste posting has an audience?

Tits....

[Walter Sobchak]

Shizzo did.

Shit..............AGAIN?

[_bruce_]

Too little too late.
Trump sounds great and should be given a chance but I think at the US's current stage it's just damage control... nothing more. More power to him... maybe there's some crazy in him that makes him go against standardized politics successfully.

[Yamcha]

So do we like Mexicans or not? 

[Tapeworm]

I just love it when people have opinions based on little to no data.  Really makes their arguments carry weight.

There's no appeal to be made to data in this case.  They entered the country illegally and are living and working in it illegally.

I still like my giant slingshot idea.

[Papper]

the devil (pope) also said that trump ain't christian.

Yeah no shit he isn't christian, neither is obama, neither is anyone. Listen to obama's pro muslim/islam rants, he also said that america is no longer a christian country, but the pope is all goodie goodie with obama.

The only reason the pope is against trump is because trump is supposedly against the game... you know what game i'm talking about. If pope is against someone, the someone is usually good or at lest one of the lesser bads.

I am not very educated in American politics or so, but I have wondered about Barack Obama Hussein guy lately. There is an old saying, if it walks like a duck ... is he a muslim for real?

After 9/11 I would think America would never vote in a guy who even expressed the slightest sympathy towards Islam and all that jazz, but the people of the USA obviously trust him bigtime, voting for him twice...

[Yamcha]

I am not very educated in American politics or so, but I have wondered about Barack Obama Hussein guy lately. There is an old saying, if it walks like a duck ... is he a muslim for real?

After 9/11 I would think America would never vote in a guy who even expressed the slightest sympathy towards Islam and all that jazz, but the people entire Hebrew race, other minorities, and those who feel white guilt, obviously trust him, voting for him twice...

[Papper]

hahaha I see

the old white guilt. never felt it myself.

[Yamcha]