Most people don't like var and tbol because they don't put 20 pounds of water on you in 4 weeks, so they falsely assume they are shit drugs. Those 2 drugs are the best orals, aside from Halotestin....real halo, not the junk being produced by UGLs these days. Anadrol is a great oral when dieting for a show, otherwise not so much. The strength gains I got from Tbol were up there with halotestin, and no water retention. Still like var a bit better, but Tbol is great as well.