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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2016, 03:54:14 PM »
You are comparing Trump to Lucado?  I don't think there is any comparison, but what I was asking is whether you are bothered by Trump's hypocrisy.  Are you saying you're not bothered by it because people who might be attacking Trump are also hypocrites? 


The term "hypocrisy" could be taken a million different directions.

I could just as easily say all these "Conservatives" who say they will vote third party(and thus a proxy vote for Hillary) rather than the guy who has already said numerous times he would nominate the justice "closest to Scalia" are hypocrites.

Anybody who claims to be Conservative and would vote in a manner helping to destroy the Supreme Court for the next 30 years by turning it liberal is certainly a hypocrite to me.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2016, 03:55:49 PM »
Good to know the pastor believes in reason now that it is convenient. An entire "career" based on the neglect of reason....

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2016, 03:58:34 PM »
The term "hypocrisy" could be taken a million different directions.

I could just as easily say all these "Conservatives" who say they will vote third party(and thus a proxy vote for Hillary) rather than the guy who has already said numerous times he would nominate the justice "closest to Scalia" are hypocrites.

Anybody who claims to be Conservative and would vote in a manner helping to destroy the Supreme Court for the next 30 years by turning it liberal is certainly a hypocrite to me.

I'm specifically asking about Trump.  Are you bothered by the fact he was butt-hurt when Carson, the Pope, and others questioned his faith, but did the same thing to others, including most recently to Romney? 

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2016, 04:00:45 PM »
I may not agree with many things about others, but I have to say that I respect both DE and hh6 for denouncing the things Trump has said and not supporting him.

Forget the Liberal / Conservative crap for a second.

The things Trump has been saying are just completely un-American. They are the exact opposite of what this country is supposed to be about.


Could you explain what this country is supposed to be about please?

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2016, 04:06:26 PM »
I'm specifically asking about Trump.  Are you bothered by the fact he was butt-hurt when Carson, the Pope, and others questioned his faith, but did the same thing to others, including most recently to Romney? 


Does it bother me? I suppose a little bit.

But it's like Gregg Valentino said, "to get to that level you have to step over a few people and you are either the shark or the guppy being eaten up"

And it certainly doesn't bother me as much as a Liberal Supreme Court until I'm 60 years old.

Pull your heads out of your asses, "conservatives" this general election has big time far reaching consequences.

If Trump is such a disaster as you all claim then you simply primary his rotten self in 2020 with the Ted Cruz 'I Told You So' Campaign.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2016, 04:15:23 PM »

Does it bother me? I suppose a little bit.

But it's like Gregg Valentino said, "to get to that level you have to step over a few people and you are either the shark or the guppy being eaten up"

And it certainly doesn't bother me as much as a Liberal Supreme Court until I'm 60 years old.

Pull your heads out of your asses, "conservatives" this general election has big time far reaching consequences.

If Trump is such a disaster as you all claim then you simply primary his rotten self in 2020 with the Ted Cruz 'I Told You So' Campaign.

Thanks.  It bothers me a lot, but not as much as his other flaws:  dishonesty, lack of conviction, immaturity, lack of discipline and self-control, lack of definitive policy positions, extreme narcissism, etc. 

Trump is an absolute disaster.  That's why the Trump vs. anti-Trump vote so far is 7 million to 12 million.  That's why his honesty ratings are among the worst ever recorded for a presidential candidate.  I'm certainly not supporting someone like that.  And he's no better than Hillary IMO.  He might even be worse.  This really is a cruel joke.   

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2016, 04:29:22 PM »
Thanks.  It bothers me a lot, but not as much as his other flaws:  dishonesty, lack of conviction, immaturity, lack of discipline and self-control, lack of definitive policy positions, extreme narcissism, etc. 

Trump is an absolute disaster.  That's why the Trump vs. anti-Trump vote so far is 7 million to 12 million.  That's why his honesty ratings are among the worst ever recorded for a presidential candidate.  I'm certainly not supporting someone like that.  And he's no better than Hillary IMO.  He might even be worse.  This really is a cruel joke.   


^^ It's like talking to a brick wall.

Enjoy your Liberal Supreme Court.

I'm sure it will be worth it when shit decision after shit decision gets handed down over the next few decades.

But you can rest assured that you made the right decision because "you didn't care for Donald Trump's tone"

 

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2016, 04:34:34 PM »
^^ It's like talking to a brick wall.

Enjoy your Liberal Supreme Court.

I'm sure it will be worth it when shit decision after shit decision gets handed down over the next few decades.

But you can rest assured that you made the right decision because "you didn't care for Donald Trump's tone"

 

Brick wall?  Well I am pretty solid.   :)  I'm not one of those people who dislikes a particular politician for no reason.  I've given my reasons why I and millions of others dislike Trump.  And I certainly didn't conclude it was simply because I don't like his tone.  Nonsense. 

You are confident Trump will appoint Supreme Court justices like Scalia.  I'm not.  I don't believe a word that man says.  So you can keep saying this is all about the Supreme Court, but you really cannot say it with any degree of reasonable conviction when it comes to Trump. 

If your issue was really about the Supreme Court, you'd get behind Cruz. 

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2016, 04:47:20 PM »
Brick wall?  Well I am pretty solid.   :)  I'm not one of those people who dislikes a particular politician for no reason.  I've given my reasons why I and millions of others dislike Trump.  And I certainly didn't conclude it was simply because I don't like his tone.  Nonsense.  

You are confident Trump will appoint Supreme Court justices like Scalia.  I'm not.  I don't believe a word that man says.  So you can keep saying this is all about the Supreme Court, but you really cannot say it with any degree of reasonable conviction when it comes to Trump.  

If your issue was really about the Supreme Court, you'd get behind Cruz.  

Are you kidding me? I know all about Ted Cruz. Before any of you on here.

I supported Ted Cruz going back to his long shot 2012 election versus David Dewhurst when he was a nobody and I am CERTAIN I was the first getbigger to mention his name on this site. If I wasn't so damn lazy I could probably pull up the posts to prove it.

It's like the legendary character Doyle said in the movie Slingblade - "You need to wake up and face this thing called reality"

I would love a Cruz presidency, but he probably isn't going to win the nomination.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2016, 04:55:16 PM »
Are you kidding me? I know all about Ted Cruz. Before any of you on here.

I supported Ted Cruz going back to his long shot 2012 election versus David Dewhurst when he was a nobody and I am CERTAIN I was the first getbigger to mention his name on this site. If I wasn't so damn lazy I could probably pull up the posts to prove it.

It's like the legendary character Doyle said in the movie Slingblade - "You need to wake up and face this thing called reality"

I would love a Cruz presidency, but he probably isn't going to win the nomination.


I'm not competing with anyone about when they first started supporting Cruz, although I did create a thread about him three years ago, which I've been updating ever since.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=477208.0

At this point, Cruz is more likely to be the nominee than Trump, because the GOP is headed to a contested convention.  I really don't believe Trump will win a floor vote.  I previously didn't think Cruz had a shot, but I've changed my mind after talking to some folks. 

But back to Trump:  supporting that maniac is lunacy IMO.  Listening to him is surreal.  I just cannot believe how ridiculously under qualified that man is to be president.  I'm not sure I've heard him speak where his comments were not littered with overstatements and/or falsehoods.  It's like listening to a little kid in an adult's body with a microphone.  And billions in the bank.  lol   

Trump is in large part a media creation this cycle.  Have you heard about the obscene amount of free air time he has gotten?  What's funny, in a sick sort of way, is the MSM is now starting to panic a little because they think Trump might not only be the nominee (which they wanted), but win the general (which they clearly don't want). 

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2016, 04:58:04 PM »
 

You are confident Trump will appoint Supreme Court justices like Scalia.  I'm not.  I don't believe a word that man says.  . 

And this is why the GOP is done when it comes to winning national elections, folks.

Trump has bent over backwards to be gracious in the past 3 or 4 trounce victories towards his opponents, mainly Cruz and Rubio.

He has stated over and over he wants to unify and bring the party together and he has stated again and again he would nominate the most conservative justice out there.

It's not enough for these people.

If they don't have a candidate that fits their little "17 point conservative checklist" they cry like 3 year olds.

Enjoy your Liberal Supreme Court shitting all over your rights.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2016, 05:00:30 PM »
I'm not competing with anyone about when they first started supporting Cruz, although I did create a thread about him three years ago, which I've been updating ever since.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=477208.0



Beat you.

A lot of it still comes down to likability. Look at Ted Cruz and Rand Paul...both of those guys are pretty far to the right and seem to have already began to establish some level of presence on the National Stage. I would take either one of those in a race against moderate Republicans in large portions of the country.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2016, 05:06:35 PM »
And this is why the GOP is done when it comes to winning national elections, folks.

Trump has bent over backwards to be gracious in the past 3 or 4 trounce victories towards his opponents, mainly Cruz and Rubio.

He has stated over and over he wants to unify and bring the party together and he has stated again and again he would nominate the most conservative justice out there.

It's not enough for these people.

If they don't have a candidate that fits their little "17 point conservative checklist" they cry like 3 year olds.

Enjoy your Liberal Supreme Court shitting all over your rights.

Absurd.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2016, 05:07:23 PM »
Beat you.


Ok.  You win.  By three months.  Even though this isn't a contest.   :)

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2016, 05:16:15 PM »
LIBERAL SUPREME COURT

Great commentary here.  It addresses people with your current mindset about Trump, and how supporting Trump is really supporting Hillary.  Hillary will likely beat Trump.  

Believing the Unbelievable
Mar 28, 2016 |  By Stephen F. Hayes

Here’s the new line from Donald Trump's cheerleaders in the conservative media: A refusal to support Trump is a de facto endorsement of Hillary Clinton. It's an argument they're making out of necessity, not conviction, trying to use peer pressure to achieve the unanimity their previous exhortations failed to produce.

First, they asked us to believe Trump was a conservative. But that argument couldn't survive a cursory look at his background, and it falls apart further with nearly every policy pronouncement Trump makes. Then they said he was antiestablishment. But Trump financed the establishment of both parties for years and is now telling anyone who will listen that he intends to go establishment once he gets the Republican nomination. Then they asked us to look past his boorishness and promised he'd tone it down as the process went on. But Trump continued his subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) race-baiting and lately has encouraged violence against those who protest at his rallies. And when his supporters answered his call, he defended their actions and once again raised the possibility that he'd pay the legal fees of offenders. They promised he'd surround himself with the very best people. But Trump's campaign manager manhandled a female reporter, and when Trump was asked last week to make good on his promise to name his foreign policy advisers, he said: "I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. .  .  . My primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff."

Trump is manifestly unqualified for the office he seeks. And despite the best efforts of Trump boosters to persuade people otherwise, many Republican primary voters remain unconvinced.

In the five contests held on March 15, the share of GOP primary voters who told pollsters flatly they would not support Trump if he becomes the nominee ranged from roughly a quarter to a third. When GOP voters were asked if they'd be "satisfied" with a Clinton vs. Trump matchup or if they'd look at supporting a third-party candidate, the numbers were staggering. In Missouri and Illinois, 43 percent of GOP primary voters said they'd "seriously consider voting for a third-party candidate." In Ohio, 42 percent said they were potential third-party voters. In North Carolina it was 39 percent, and in Florida, Trump's best state that day, 3 in 10 Republican primary voters said they'd seriously consider a third party.

As those numbers indicate, a large swath of the Republican primary electorate is either so stubbornly opposed to Trump that they will not vote for him or dissatisfied enough that they will consider alternatives outside of their party. Those percentages may diminish, but given the intensity of views about Trump, they may not come down that far. So much for the myth, eagerly propagated by Trump enthusiasts, that the battle for the GOP nomination is a fight between Donald Trump and the protectors of the "establishment" in Washington.

Having failed to ease concerns about Trump's character and convictions, his advocates are now making a different case: Trump will crush Hillary Clinton in a general election. It's a revealing tack—answering objections about temperament and philosophy with claims about electability. It's also highly dubious.

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich says that with support from the "Republican establishment," Trump could turn his effort "into a Reagan campaign like 1980 and have the party win a stunning victory."

Stunning is one word for it. Ronald Reagan won 10 times the electoral votes of Jimmy Carter—489-49—in 1980, winning 55 percent of the votes cast for the two major-party candidates. Reagan won all but six states. The map of the 1980 election is almost entirely red, with a few spots of blue.

It was a landslide. Donald Trump matching that feat is, well, improbable.

Hillary Clinton has beaten Donald Trump in 43 of the past 49 head-to-head national polls. Sixty-seven percent of American voters have a negative view of Trump, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll out last week, and 56 percent say their view is "strongly" unfavorable. His favorable rating is at 30 percent, giving him a net favorable rating of negative 37. That's not only the lowest rating of any candidate in the 2016 race, it's among the lowest ratings seen in modern history.
 
Clinton has abysmal honest/trustworthy ratings; Trump's are lower—in some cases nearly twice as bad as Clinton's. In head-to-head comparisons with Trump, she's seen as a candidate who is more empathetic and relatable and who has the right experience for the job. And, importantly, the more voters have seen of him, the worse he's looked. His numbers in all of those categories have declined since September, in some cases markedly.
 
A separate Washington Post poll released in late January found that nearly 7 in 10 Americans say that the idea of a Trump presidency gives them "anxiety." For Clinton, it's 5 in 10. (Fifty-one percent say they're "very" anxious about Trump; 35 percent say the same of Clinton.)
 
Trump regularly claims he'll do well with Hispanic voters, the nation's fastest-growing voter bloc. But a Washington Post/Univision poll from February found that 8 in 10 Hispanic voters have an unfavorable opinion of Trump, with 7 in 10 having a very unfavorable view of him. In a head-to-head among Hispanic voters, Clinton beats Trump 73-16—some 13 points worse than Mitt Romney fared in 2012.
 
In 2012, Romney won 59 percent of the white vote and lost by five million votes. Trump is now polling below Romney's anemic 27 percent performance among Hispanics and below Romney's 17 percent among all nonwhites. That means Trump would have to win almost 70 percent among whites to gain a popular majority in a likely 2016 electorate. That's better than any Republican has ever performed in the history of exit polling.
 
Importantly, Trump's unpopularity isn't new. Although he's grown less acceptable to general election voters even as he's become better known, he never looked like a strong general election candidate.
 
Is it possible for Trump to win a general election against Hillary Clinton? Sure. She's an awful candidate who is under FBI investigation and stands a reasonable chance of being indicted or having one or more of her top aides charged with serious crimes. Trump enthusiasts rightly point out that his polling at the beginning of the GOP nominating process was also pretty grim. If Trump were to prevail, it would be one of the most dramatic reversals of electability prospects in recent memory. The closing argument from Trump enthusiasts isn't much of an argument at all. It's a wish.
 
In short, the same people who have asked us to overlook his cronyism, his liberalism, and his chauvinism now want us to disbelieve all the data on Trump's electability, and some of them would have us believe he wouldn't just win but would triumph in a landslide.
 
When that doesn't happen—and when Trump either loses or proves a disastrous president—they'll go looking for someone to blame.
 
They won't have to look far.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/believing-the-unbelievable/article/2001620

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2016, 05:22:24 PM »
Great commentary here.  It addresses people with your current mindset about Trump, and how supporting Trump is really supporting Hillary.  Hillary will likely beat Trump.  

Believing the Unbelievable
Mar 28, 2016 |  By Stephen F. Hayes

Here’s the new line from Donald Trump's cheerleaders in the conservative media: A refusal to support Trump is a de facto endorsement of Hillary Clinton. It's an argument they're making out of necessity, not conviction, trying to use peer pressure to achieve the unanimity their previous exhortations failed to produce.

First, they asked us to believe Trump was a conservative. But that argument couldn't survive a cursory look at his background, and it falls apart further with nearly every policy pronouncement Trump makes. Then they said he was antiestablishment. But Trump financed the establishment of both parties for years and is now telling anyone who will listen that he intends to go establishment once he gets the Republican nomination. Then they asked us to look past his boorishness and promised he'd tone it down as the process went on. But Trump continued his subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) race-baiting and lately has encouraged violence against those who protest at his rallies. And when his supporters answered his call, he defended their actions and once again raised the possibility that he'd pay the legal fees of offenders. They promised he'd surround himself with the very best people. But Trump's campaign manager manhandled a female reporter, and when Trump was asked last week to make good on his promise to name his foreign policy advisers, he said: "I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. .  .  . My primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff."

Trump is manifestly unqualified for the office he seeks. And despite the best efforts of Trump boosters to persuade people otherwise, many Republican primary voters remain unconvinced.

In the five contests held on March 15, the share of GOP primary voters who told pollsters flatly they would not support Trump if he becomes the nominee ranged from roughly a quarter to a third. When GOP voters were asked if they'd be "satisfied" with a Clinton vs. Trump matchup or if they'd look at supporting a third-party candidate, the numbers were staggering. In Missouri and Illinois, 43 percent of GOP primary voters said they'd "seriously consider voting for a third-party candidate." In Ohio, 42 percent said they were potential third-party voters. In North Carolina it was 39 percent, and in Florida, Trump's best state that day, 3 in 10 Republican primary voters said they'd seriously consider a third party.

As those numbers indicate, a large swath of the Republican primary electorate is either so stubbornly opposed to Trump that they will not vote for him or dissatisfied enough that they will consider alternatives outside of their party. Those percentages may diminish, but given the intensity of views about Trump, they may not come down that far. So much for the myth, eagerly propagated by Trump enthusiasts, that the battle for the GOP nomination is a fight between Donald Trump and the protectors of the "establishment" in Washington.

Having failed to ease concerns about Trump's character and convictions, his advocates are now making a different case: Trump will crush Hillary Clinton in a general election. It's a revealing tack—answering objections about temperament and philosophy with claims about electability. It's also highly dubious.

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich says that with support from the "Republican establishment," Trump could turn his effort "into a Reagan campaign like 1980 and have the party win a stunning victory."

Stunning is one word for it. Ronald Reagan won 10 times the electoral votes of Jimmy Carter—489-49—in 1980, winning 55 percent of the votes cast for the two major-party candidates. Reagan won all but six states. The map of the 1980 election is almost entirely red, with a few spots of blue.

It was a landslide. Donald Trump matching that feat is, well, improbable.

Hillary Clinton has beaten Donald Trump in 43 of the past 49 head-to-head national polls. Sixty-seven percent of American voters have a negative view of Trump, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll out last week, and 56 percent say their view is "strongly" unfavorable. His favorable rating is at 30 percent, giving him a net favorable rating of negative 37. That's not only the lowest rating of any candidate in the 2016 race, it's among the lowest ratings seen in modern history.
 
Clinton has abysmal honest/trustworthy ratings; Trump's are lower—in some cases nearly twice as bad as Clinton's. In head-to-head comparisons with Trump, she's seen as a candidate who is more empathetic and relatable and who has the right experience for the job. And, importantly, the more voters have seen of him, the worse he's looked. His numbers in all of those categories have declined since September, in some cases markedly.
 
A separate Washington Post poll released in late January found that nearly 7 in 10 Americans say that the idea of a Trump presidency gives them "anxiety." For Clinton, it's 5 in 10. (Fifty-one percent say they're "very" anxious about Trump; 35 percent say the same of Clinton.)
 
Trump regularly claims he'll do well with Hispanic voters, the nation's fastest-growing voter bloc. But a Washington Post/Univision poll from February found that 8 in 10 Hispanic voters have an unfavorable opinion of Trump, with 7 in 10 having a very unfavorable view of him. In a head-to-head among Hispanic voters, Clinton beats Trump 73-16—some 13 points worse than Mitt Romney fared in 2012.
 
In 2012, Romney won 59 percent of the white vote and lost by five million votes. Trump is now polling below Romney's anemic 27 percent performance among Hispanics and below Romney's 17 percent among all nonwhites. That means Trump would have to win almost 70 percent among whites to gain a popular majority in a likely 2016 electorate. That's better than any Republican has ever performed in the history of exit polling.
 
Importantly, Trump's unpopularity isn't new. Although he's grown less acceptable to general election voters even as he's become better known, he never looked like a strong general election candidate.
 
Is it possible for Trump to win a general election against Hillary Clinton? Sure. She's an awful candidate who is under FBI investigation and stands a reasonable chance of being indicted or having one or more of her top aides charged with serious crimes. Trump enthusiasts rightly point out that his polling at the beginning of the GOP nominating process was also pretty grim. If Trump were to prevail, it would be one of the most dramatic reversals of electability prospects in recent memory. The closing argument from Trump enthusiasts isn't much of an argument at all. It's a wish.
 
In short, the same people who have asked us to overlook his cronyism, his liberalism, and his chauvinism now want us to disbelieve all the data on Trump's electability, and some of them would have us believe he wouldn't just win but would triumph in a landslide.
 
When that doesn't happen—and when Trump either loses or proves a disastrous president—they'll go looking for someone to blame.
 
They won't have to look far.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/believing-the-unbelievable/article/2001620

I'm hoping this is all just healthy "down the stretch, primary dog fight" talk and once the dust settles come November we all wake up to the reality of the implications of this general election and come behind whoever RIGHTFULLY DESERVES the GOP nomination and prevents a Liberal Supreme Court for the next 30 years of our lives.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2016, 05:39:37 PM »
I'm hoping this is all just healthy "down the stretch, primary dog fight" talk and once the dust settles come November we all wake up to the reality of the implications of this general election and come behind whoever RIGHTFULLY DESERVES the GOP nomination and prevents a Liberal Supreme Court for the next 30 years of our lives.

Dude.  Did you read the commentary?  This should concern you: 

Hillary Clinton has beaten Donald Trump in 43 of the past 49 head-to-head national polls. Sixty-seven percent of American voters have a negative view of Trump, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll out last week, and 56 percent say their view is "strongly" unfavorable. His favorable rating is at 30 percent, giving him a net favorable rating of negative 37. That's not only the lowest rating of any candidate in the 2016 race, it's among the lowest ratings seen in modern history.

This should bother you too:

In 2012, Romney won 59 percent of the white vote and lost by five million votes. Trump is now polling below Romney's anemic 27 percent performance among Hispanics and below Romney's 17 percent among all nonwhites. That means Trump would have to win almost 70 percent among whites to gain a popular majority in a likely 2016 electorate. That's better than any Republican has ever performed in the history of exit polling.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2016, 05:46:33 PM »
Dude.  Did you read the commentary?  This should concern you: 

Hillary Clinton has beaten Donald Trump in 43 of the past 49 head-to-head national polls. Sixty-seven percent of American voters have a negative view of Trump, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll out last week, and 56 percent say their view is "strongly" unfavorable. His favorable rating is at 30 percent, giving him a net favorable rating of negative 37. That's not only the lowest rating of any candidate in the 2016 race, it's among the lowest ratings seen in modern history.

This should bother you too:

In 2012, Romney won 59 percent of the white vote and lost by five million votes. Trump is now polling below Romney's anemic 27 percent performance among Hispanics and below Romney's 17 percent among all nonwhites. That means Trump would have to win almost 70 percent among whites to gain a popular majority in a likely 2016 electorate. That's better than any Republican has ever performed in the history of exit polling.


I understand every single concern lined up there.

But these are spring/summer issues. "Right now" issues.

Fast forward 6 months, when the final GOP nominee is named, you get behind him and crawl on broken glass to support him because the option of a Hillary/Liberal Supreme Court is much worse.

This is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that cannot be overlooked...a Hillary presidency.

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Re: Pastor Lucado: Trump Saying He's a Christian 'Beyond Reason to Me'
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2016, 05:53:12 PM »
I understand every single concern lined up there.

But these are spring/summer issues. "Right now" issues.

Fast forward 6 months, when the final GOP nominee is named, you get behind him and crawl on broken glass to support him because the option of a Hillary/Liberal Supreme Court is much worse.

This is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that cannot be overlooked...a Hillary presidency.

Yes I agree this is only March and things could change by November. 

That said, there is still the issue of whether Trump can be trusted.  You're acting like it's a foregone conclusion that Trump will nominate the kinds of justices you want on the Supreme Court.  You have to ignore an awful lot to reach that mindset. 

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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2016, 06:29:49 PM »
I understand every single concern lined up there.

But these are spring/summer issues. "Right now" issues.

Fast forward 6 months, when the final GOP nominee is named, you get behind him and crawl on broken glass to support him because the option of a Hillary/Liberal Supreme Court is much worse.

This is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that cannot be overlooked...a Hillary presidency.
1000% agreed. Any voter staying home as a Republican/conservative because Trump gets the nod is going to immensely regret it. They are fools. No candidate is as clearly repugnant as her.