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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2016, 04:13:52 PM »
I think it's silly that BLM's main focus isn't improving the community so less of us end up dead at police hands.

^ being said, admitting there's a problem is usually the first step to making some improvement. There is a problem with some police, period.


yeh i'm sure back in the day a lot of slaves would have been spared too if they could have just kept each other in line a bit better.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2016, 04:40:51 PM »
http://abc7.com/news/3-stabbed-at-kkk-gathering-in-anaheim/1221868/


3 stabbed at KKK gathering in Anaheim




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ANAHEIM, Calif. --
Three people were stabbed Saturday, one critically, after a small group of Ku Klux Klan members staging an anti-immigrant rally in Southern California clashed with a larger gathering of counter-protesters, police said.

The violence erupted shortly after noon in Anaheim's Pearson Park, about 3 miles from Disneyland. The KKK had advertised plans for the rally and about 30 anti-Klan protesters showed up beforehand, said Anaheim Police Sgt. Daron Wyatt said. When the Klan members arrived they were attacked as they exited their cars, he said.

One Klansman stabbed a counter-protester with the decorative end of a flag pole, Wyatt said. That stabbing set off a vicious brawl in which Klan members and protesters fought across an entire city block.

One Anaheim police sergeant saw a Klan member with a knife in his hand and a counter-protester bleeding nearby, Wyatt said. The sergeant took the KKK member into custody. Meanwhile, counter-protesters stomped on two KKK members, he said.

Wyatt said police were present when the violence erupted but did not say how many officers were deployed.

Brian Levin, director of California State University, San Bernardino's Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism, witnessed the violence and told the Los Angeles Times he saw no police when it started.

Chris Barker, who identified himself as the "imperial wizard" of the Loyal White Knights of the KKK, said his members were holding a peaceful anti-immigration demonstration and acted in self-defense.

"If we're attacked we will attack back," said Barker, who did not attend the rally and spoke by phone from North Carolina. The organization lists Pelham, N.C., as its headquarters.

In total, 13 people were detained; six Klan members in connection with three stabbings and seven counter-protesters suspected of assaulting KKK members. All the injured were male. None was immediately identified.

The KKK has a long history in Anaheim. In the 1920s some Klansmen held elected office in the city, which was overwhelmingly white but now has a majority of Hispanics among its roughly 350,000 residents.

In January 2015, packets containing fliers condemning Martin Luther King Jr. and supporting the Ku Klux Klan were left in the driveways of about 40 homes in Santa Ana, about 8 miles south of Anaheim. The fliers opened with the heading "On Martin Luther King Day, you are celebrating a communist pervert." The bottom of the fliers stated they came from the "Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

Nationwide, the number of active KKK groups increased to 190 in 2015 after falling in 2013 and 2014, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.





















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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2016, 05:59:32 PM »
I believe at this point whites should not be permitted to be cops or teachers or healthcare workers in black towns. If they hate whites so much, they should do without them! Racism problem solved.

Oh wait, when all the whites are gone, there will be no other race to blame for their own misery or to prey upon or to parasitize from or no one dumb enough to fall for their shit. We'll also see where their attitudes go.

One of the reasons why Hebrews and recent off-the-boat-or-plane people are so goddamn arrogant and assertive is because they have the innate sense that White Americans are suckers and have devolved from the most dominant race on this earth to a race of cowards who allow their own lives, safety, culture, and countries to be destroyed (and their women assaulted and raped).

The other reason the behave this way is because they know in their own countries, if they pulled the same shit, they might meet their end via machete hackings, "rubber necklaces", and fatal beatings. Not like that with the stupid white sucker.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2016, 07:53:18 PM »
I believe at this point whites should not be permitted to be cops or teachers or healthcare workers in black towns. If they hate whites so much, they should do without them! Racism problem solved.

Oh wait, when all the whites are gone, there will be no other race to blame for their own misery or to prey upon or to parasitize from or no one dumb enough to fall for their shit. We'll also see where their attitudes go.

One of the reasons why Hebrews and recent off-the-boat-or-plane people are so goddamn arrogant and assertive is because they have the innate sense that White Americans are suckers and have devolved from the most dominant race on this earth to a race of cowards who allow their own lives, safety, culture, and countries to be destroyed (and their women assaulted and raped).

The other reason the behave this way is because they know in their own countries, if they pulled the same shit, they might meet their end via machete hackings, "rubber necklaces", and fatal beatings. Not like that with the stupid white sucker.

You poor thing.  :)

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2016, 12:43:55 AM »

yeh i'm sure back in the day a lot of slaves would have been spared too if they could have just kept each other in line a bit better.

SMH, that not is even an equivalent analogy. But, your response kinda reeks of white paternalism.
That these folks in said communities cannot take care of themselves, their communities or obey the laws without some "help", because they "lack" something.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2016, 01:20:45 AM »
SMH, that not is even an equivalent analogy. But, your response kinda reeks of white paternalism.
That these folks in said communities cannot take care of themselves, their communities or obey the laws without some "help", because they "lack" something.

of course it is a great analogy.

BLM is addressing a problem the US has with an institutionally biassed justice system, a two tier system that treats citizens differently based on race.

saying that BLM should first focus on black behaviour is a justification of that system.

it's got nothing to do with asking for "help" or taking care of anyone. it's about equality. people generally wanted to be treated equally, if they're doing something wrong(or not) they expect to get the same treatment from the authorities as another citizen would.
 



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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2016, 04:30:15 AM »
You poor thing.  :)

Don't worry about me. I'm not white, nor a sucker.

Is that your stupid response when you have nothing to say or something's over your head?

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2016, 06:14:52 AM »
of course it is a great analogy.

BLM is addressing a problem the US has with an institutionally biassed justice system, a two tier system that treats citizens differently based on race.

saying that BLM should first focus on black behaviour is a justification of that system.

it's got nothing to do with asking for "help" or taking care of anyone. it's about equality. people generally wanted to be treated equally, if they're doing something wrong(or not) they expect to get the same treatment from the authorities as another citizen would.
 



There is no such thing as equality. It is a farce that people have bought into. There will always be the have and the have nots. It should be opportunity, give people the chance. You, in thought process have in a back door way, justified black people to be perpetual victims.  Needing protection from the very same people who are the alleged perpetrators. How much sense does that make? So, that means giving up more power to empower the very same people who you say are committing the acts?  Drkaje never said to first focus, he said that it is silly that their main focus is. BLM main focus should the better of black lives, neighborhoods, children, black men and women. Period. And that includes the law enforcement situation. And it doesn't matter if you change the color of the officers. What needs to be done is that all parties come to table to help solve the problem, as well as help with other problems. By doing that, it is empowering the community as well.

Hell, if the Brits had their way, we'd still be under their yoke, talk about EQUALITY.

And of course it's a great analogy to you, because it seems that you'd rather see black folk be constantly helped and continually be a victim, because it empowers you. You are needed, it makes you feel needed. It's white paternalism.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2016, 06:24:45 AM »
http://abc7.com/news/3-stabbed-at-kkk-gathering-in-anaheim/1221868/


3 stabbed at KKK gathering in Anaheim

Is here someone who believs that KKK started to attack innocent people in their rally?  ::)

I dont hear that white groups start to attack black panthers or BLM when they have a rally.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2016, 06:26:22 AM »
of course it is a great analogy.

BLM is addressing a problem the US has with an institutionally biassed justice system, a two tier system that treats citizens differently based on race.

saying that BLM should first focus on black behaviour is a justification of that system.

it's got nothing to do with asking for "help" or taking care of anyone. it's about equality. people generally wanted to be treated equally, if they're doing something wrong(or not) they expect to get the same treatment from the authorities as another citizen would.
 

yes indeedy and the department of justice agrees with you.
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2016, 06:30:22 AM »
Is here someone who believs that KKK started to attack innocent people in their rally?  ::)

I dont hear that white groups start to attack black panthers or BLM when they have a rally.

lol reduced to defending the kkk
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2016, 06:40:09 AM »
lol reduced to defending the kkk
then why black celebrities defend black panther or black lives matter - they are racist movements too? Then its ok and their are praised for standing up... lol

Beyonce had a show where she and her dancers were dressed as black panthers.

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« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2016, 06:45:06 AM »
anyway as stated before this fellow doesn't rise to the level of imporantace of a phylis schafly

she makes some excellent points such as "don't date a feminist" and "women should not receive equal pay with men"

and "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."  :D


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yes indeedy a highly "respectable" lady in comparison to this gentleman, very courageous!

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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2016, 06:47:20 AM »
then why black celebrities defend black panther or black lives matter - they are racist movements too? Then its ok and their are praised for standing up... lol

Beyonce had a show where she and her dancers were dressed as black panthers.

hey doofus, crawl back into whatever hole you came out of and shut up
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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2016, 06:50:51 AM »
Gotta love this guy  8)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-milwaukee-sheriff-takes-black-lives-matter-movement-120700515.html

"If there was a white sheriff making those statements, they would have demanded his resignation by now,"




I wonder if there would be a spot in Washington for him if Trump were elected.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2016, 06:54:14 AM »
The real reason white liberals hang on to the race card for dear life is that the other possibility is too hard to accept:




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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2016, 07:40:32 AM »
Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well. 

Such a ridiculous statement.  ::)

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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2016, 07:45:22 AM »
AWESOME

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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2016, 08:35:19 AM »
There is no such thing as equality. It is a farce that people have bought into. There will always be the have and the have nots. It should be opportunity, give people the chance. You, in thought process have in a back door way, justified black people to be perpetual victims.  Needing protection from the very same people who are the alleged perpetrators. How much sense does that make? So, that means giving up more power to empower the very same people who you say are committing the acts?  Drkaje never said to first focus, he said that it is silly that their main focus is. BLM main focus should the better of black lives, neighborhoods, children, black men and women. Period. And that includes the law enforcement situation. And it doesn't matter if you change the color of the officers. What needs to be done is that all parties come to table to help solve the problem, as well as help with other problems. By doing that, it is empowering the community as well.

Hell, if the Brits had their way, we'd still be under their yoke, talk about EQUALITY.

And of course it's a great analogy to you, because it seems that you'd rather see black folk be constantly helped and continually be a victim, because it empowers you. You are needed, it makes you feel needed. It's white paternalism.


to clarify again, BLM is addressing a judicial system that shows less regard for citizens of one race than it does another.

when a group of people are being treated unfairly/attacked the main focus should quite rightly be on getting the attacker to modify their behaviour, you don't place the MAIN focus on the victim modifying their behaviour. that is just some subservient BS.

and where are you getting this ridiculous notion that what i'm saying has anything to do with asking for "help" or "protection"?

refusing to accept a law system that puts one race below another is not asking for a favour. it's a right that everyone should expect and be afforded in a civilised society.












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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2016, 08:50:23 AM »
Don't worry about me. I'm not white, nor a sucker.

Is that your stupid response when you have nothing to say or something's over your head?

Your post was/is so stupid it evokes pity. It's like when Shizzo admitted trying cock.

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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2016, 09:12:47 AM »

to clarify again, BLM is addressing a judicial system that shows less regard for citizens of one race than it does another.

when a group of people are being treated unfairly/attacked the main focus should quite rightly be on getting the attacker to modify their behaviour, you don't place the MAIN focus on the victim modifying their behaviour. that is just some subservient BS.

and where are you getting this ridiculous notion that what i'm saying has anything to do with asking for "help" or "protection"?

refusing to accept a law system that puts one race below another is not asking for a favour. it's a right that everyone should expect and be afforded in a civilised society.


There is nothing civilized about being a criminal and the aptly termed "gangsta" lifestyle is anything  but civilization personified.

 
“To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”     

I seriously doubt the author of this meant that laws should be changed to favor criminals of color over criminals of non-color.  Those words speak the truth for all men.  It's called justice, not just us.

 
It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either but some people see evil everywhere but within.   Go look into a mirror to see that which is holding you back.  That goes for everyone.  

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2016, 09:15:22 AM »
he is a denier but it's not remarkable

for example, one can find many females against the women's movement.







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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2016, 09:30:10 AM »
I think it's silly that BLM's main focus isn't improving the community so less of us end up dead at police hands.

^ being said, admitting there's a problem is usually the first step to making some improvement. There is a problem with some police, period.

Agree, its essential to hold police accountable so they don't overstep their legal bounds.  That being said, they have some of the most difficult jobs and are expected to act cool under grave physical threats, which is not easy.  They are despised in some of these communities, partially for the wrong cases of brutality when it does happen, but mostly because they are trying to establish order and rules in parts of a community that doesn't want to follow rules.  

The tone of BLM is wrong even though their original complaint had merit.  They accepted too many hateful people into their ranks and are always angry, yelling, protesting and destroying property, blocking streets and commerce.  If they followed MLK, they would be much more supported by the general public.  When one of BLM leaders asked what she truly wanted when being interviewed on the news, she said "white people are going to have to give up their power".  

On another note, in 2016 the courts are not systemically racist any more (they were decades ago, certainly, to deny that is ignorance).  Blacks males massively disproportionally commit crimes.  I was speaking with a lawyer who said one reason there are so many black males in prison is the judges look at their entire record, not just the individual criminal act.  Its not just the single drug charge or theft that puts someone away,  it is the long history of criminal charges.  I would never imprison anyone for simple drug charges.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2016, 09:42:15 AM »
There is nothing civilized about being a criminal and the aptly termed "gangsta" lifestyle is anything  but civilization personified.

 
“To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”     

I seriously doubt the author of this meant that laws should be changed to favor criminals of color over criminals of non-color.  Those words speak the truth for all men.  It's called justice, not just us.

 
It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either but some people see evil everywhere but within.   Go look into a mirror to see that which is holding you back.  That goes for everyone.  


i'm not sure if you quoted the wrong post or something but nothing you posted really has any relevance to anything i posted.

who was talking about criminals or gangsta lifestyle or any other nonsense.

im talking about an expectation that the law treats all sections of society equally.

if you already think that happens then i don't suppose you would think there is any problem anyway.








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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2016, 09:44:42 AM »
i'm not sure if you quoted the wrong post or something but nothing you posted really has any relevance to anything i posted.

who was talking about criminals or gangsta lifestyle or any other nonsense.

im talking about an expectation that the law treats all sections of society equally.

if you already think that happens then i don't suppose you would think there is any problem anyway.




In 2016, the law absolutely treats everyone equally when you consider not just the sentence for the individual crime, but the entire criminal record of the criminal, which often leads to prison time.  My brother is a criminal lawyer and often takes cases assigned to him defending criminals.  You should see how many have long rap sheets, repetitive criminality. Surveillance and enforcement may be unequally administered in certain communities, agree.