Women, working out and sex

[Johnny Apollo]

Anti-Psychiatrists view autism as a result of "Bad Parenting"! 

[Disgusted]

Anti-Psychiatrists view autism as a result of "Bad Parenting"! 

Really? Where did you here that.

[Bast175]

Anyone who says you can just "stop being depressed" has never had major depression.

So there are varying levels of depression?

[Johnny Apollo]

So there are varying levels of depression?

Yes..There are.

[Johnny Apollo]

Really? Where did you here that.

That WIKI page that was posted.

[Disgusted]

That WIKI page that was posted.

THanks

[Bast175]

Yes..There are.

How do you know that someone is depressed or that they just have problems in their life that is causing the so called symptoms of depression?

[Max_Rep]

I've read them both...They aren't scientific evidence. The "Anti-Psychiatry"  movement is based off of psuedo science alot like the "intelligent design" movement. Most "Anti-Psychiatrists" are scientologists and other cult members.

Psychiatric disorders being neurological and biological is supported by Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies as is the effectiveness of psychiatric medications.


BTW it's spelled "fallacy"

You sound like someone who deeply imbedded in the pharmaceutical industry or the psychiatric community. You call Anti-Psychiatry psuedo science. That’s exactly what Psychiatry is. Psychiatry is a self admitted failure… a total failure that has convinced Americans that they are THE authorities of mental health.

Psychiatry can never “cure” any of the so called syndromes they keep dreaming up so they medicate the people who are “suffering” from the syndromes they’ve invented. Before that it was electric shock treatment and lobotomy.

Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies? Yes reviewed by their OWN peers, funded by the drug companies while the FDA and the FTC waves them though. Please.

If that’s not a cult what is? 

[Johnny Apollo]

How do you know that someone is depressed or that they just have problems in their life that is causing the so called symptoms of depression?

Simply being "Depressed" isn't Clinical depression which is major depression. Also often or not problems in a person environment can contribute to their clinical depression which is caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. On the diagnostic statistical manual of mental disorders it's ICD-10 F32, F33..ICD-9 296.2-5

The symptoms of Clinical depression are...

Feelings of overwhelming sadness or fear or the seeming inability to feel emotion.
A decrease in the amount of pleasure derived from what were previously pleasurable activities.
Changing appetite and marked weight gain or loss.
Disturbed sleep patterns, such as insomnia, loss of REM sleep, or excessive sleep.
Changes in activity levels, such as restlessness or a slowing of movement.
Fatigue, mental or physical.
Feelings of guilt, helplessness, hopelessness, anxiety, or fear.
A decrease in self-esteem.
Trouble concentrating or making decisions or a generalized slowing and obtunding of cognition.
Self-harm or ruminating on self-harm.
Ruminating on death or suicide.
Reduced memory.

One doesn't need all of these symptoms to have depression just most of them. Some people can be depressed without contemplating suicide or harming themself.

Most of the time people who have clinical depression aren't even depressed "about" anything just simply feel depressed. The feeling you get when you are very sad about something..Just minus the "something". The emotion comes from seemingly nowhere as far as you can tell in your everyday life.

[Johnny Apollo]

You sound like someone who deeply imbedded in the pharmaceutical industry or the psychiatric community. You call Anti-Psychiatry psuedo science. That’s exactly what Psychiatry is. Psychiatry is a self admitted failure… a total failure that has convinced Americans that they are THE authorities of mental health.

Evidence please? Provide evidence that..
1.Psychiatry is psuedo science.
2.It's a "Self admitted failure.
3.A failure to begin with.

Psychiatry can never “cure” any of the so called syndromes they keep dreaming up so they medicate the people who are “suffering” from the syndromes they’ve invented. Before that it was electric shock treatment and lobotomy.

Both electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremly effective at Curing these syndromes and tons of scientific evidence support this even if potentially risky.

Some studies  — later confirmed in controlled clinical trials which included the use of simulated or "sham" ECT as a control (Janicak et al., 1985), have determined ECT to be highly effective against severe depression, some acute psychotic states, and mania (Small et al., 1988).

No controlled study has shown any other treatment to have superior efficacy to ECT in the treatment of depression (Janicak et al., 1985; Rudorfer et al., 1997). ECT has not been demonstrated to be effective in dysthymia, substance abuse, anxiety, or personality disorders. The foregoing conclusions, and many of those discussed below, are the products of review of extensive research conducted over several decades (Depression Guideline Panel, 1993; Rudorfer et al., 1997) as well as by a panel of scientists, practitioners, and consumers (NIH & NIMH Consensus Conference, 1985).

Although the average 60 to 70 percent response rate seen with ECT is comparable to that obtained with pharmacotherapy, there is evidence that the antidepressant effect of ECT occurs faster than that seen with medication, which supports the use of ECT in cases where depression is accompanied by potentially uncontrollable suicidal ideas and actions (Rudorfer et al., 1997). However, ECT does not exert a long-term protection against suicide. Indeed, it is now recognized that a single course of ECT should be regarded as a short-term treatment for an acute episode of illness. To sustain the response to ECT, continuation treatment, often in the form of antidepressant and/or mood stabilizer medication, must be instituted (Sackeim, 1994). "Maintenance ECT" as it is called, refers to indefinite periods of recurring electroshock treatments, usually scheduled a few weeks apart. Critics of electroshock assert that the reason maintenance electroshock is required is because the brain requires approximately four weeks to recover from each closed head injury caused by eletroshock treatment. Thus, when the brain has healed, the temporary euphoric effects are lost and the brain must be electroshocked again and again to attain the previous mood level gain.

Individuals who repeatedly relapse following ECT despite continuation medication may be candidates for maintenance ECT, delivered on an outpatient basis at a rate of one treatment weekly to as infrequently as monthly (Sackeim, 1994; Rudorfer et al., 1997).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy#Effectiveness

Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies? Yes reviewed by their OWN peers, funded by the drug companies while the FDA and the FTC waves them though. Please.

If that’s not a cult what is? 

You're obviously a conspiracy theorist. If hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed scientifc studies don't convince you...Nothing will.

[Max_Rep]

Well there you have it… you’ve certainly convinced me that drugging people, the use of Electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremely effective at “Curing” syndromes dreamed up by psychiatry with tons of scientific evidence (REVIEWED BY THEIR OWN PEERS) support this even if potentially risky. Curing in your definition is turning them into walking zombies?

Yes I’m the one that a “conspiracy” theorist, aren’t I? 

Man you psychiatry advocates practitioners are actually arrogant enough to believe that anyone will buy into your self serving agenda’s. 

You’re right about ONE thing… thousands of studies in and of Psychiatry backed by the SELF SERVING drug industry reviewed by THEIR OWN PEERS won’t convince me. And nothing you say ever will… ever.

I guess I must be suffering from “Fully Aware of An Entire Corrupt Industry and Too Informed to Fall For it Syndrome”. I’m going to go practice my laughter therapy for at least an hour now. It’s much better that psychiatric drugs.   

BTW it is spelled… extremely. Touché. 

[Johnny Apollo]

Well there you have it… you’ve certainly convinced me that drugging people, the use of Electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremely effective at “Curing” syndromes dreamed up by psychiatry with tons of scientific evidence (REVIEWED BY THEIR OWN PEERS) support this even if potentially risky. Curing in your definition is turning them into walking zombies?

ALL scientific studies that are reviewed are reviewed by other scientists along with the public. Don't you get science journals? They are PUBLISHED for all to see.

Secondly there may be some side effects in some cases but there are side effects for ALL medical treatments and medicines. Most of the time when these medicines are given..The symptoms vanish and the people feel 100% better.

Yes I’m the one that a “conspiracy” theorist, aren’t I? 

Yes, You are.



You still haven't given any evidence for your claims. No scientific studies. No scientific evidence..Nothing.

This makes your claims "Baseless".

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Well there you have it… you’ve certainly convinced me that drugging people, the use of Electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremely effective at “Curing” syndromes dreamed up by psychiatry with tons of scientific evidence (REVIEWED BY THEIR OWN PEERS) support this even if potentially risky. Curing in your definition is turning them into walking zombies?

Yes I’m the one that a “conspiracy” theorist, aren’t I? 

Man you psychiatry advocates practitioners are actually arrogant enough to believe that anyone will buy into your self serving agenda’s. 

You’re right about ONE thing… thousands of studies in and of Psychiatry backed by the SELF SERVING drug industry reviewed by THEIR OWN PEERS won’t convince me. And nothing you say ever will… ever.

I guess I must be suffering from “Fully Aware of An Entire Corrupt Industry and Too Informed to Fall For it Syndrome”. I’m going to go practice my laughter therapy for at least an hour now. It’s much better that psychiatric drugs.   

BTW it is spelled… extremely. Touché. 

Psychiatry is not without it flaws, but in general it has earned it's merits. There are some very effective medicins out there with minimal side-effects. There's always the risk of ending up with a bad psychiatrist, but that can happen with any type of proffesional, hell, even with plumbers .

[rocket]

Oh dear Johnny, you've got yourself a new drawn out argument to play with.

What exactly is the issue here max?

That the drug companies are pushing high volumes and thus drugs are being prescribed to people who don't need them?

That the drugs don't work?

That psychiatry is pseudoscience?

[Johnny Apollo]

Oh dear Johnny, you've got yourself a new drawn out argument to play with.

What exactly is the issue here max?

That the drug companies are pushing high volumes and thus drugs are being prescribed to people who don't need them?

That the drugs don't work?

That psychiatry is pseudoscience?

He went up in arms when I said that mental disorders are due to imbalances of chemicals in the brain, So I'm assuming he doesn't believe things like Clinical Depression are caused by neuro-chemical disorders.

[Max_Rep]

Here’s what I find interesting… How is it that the package inserts for Phychiatric Drugs and the PDR lists side effects that are even worse that the symptoms they are supposed to be “curing”. I suppose that there were no valid scientific studies conducted that lead to the necessity of these statements, right? Some things just make a reasonable person go… hmmm.   

Side Effects of Drugs Used for “Psychiatric Disorders” According to the manufacturers' drug inserts and to the Physician Drug Reference, the following are some of the side effects of the drugs commonly used for Psychiatric disorders.

Amphetamine/amphetamine type
 
Ritalin: depression, chronic abuse can lead to tolerance and psychic dependency with varying degrees of abnormal behavior. Frank psychotic episodes can occur. Patients with agitation may react adversely. CBC and platelet count (lab work) are advised. Long-term affects have not been established.
Cardiac side effects: necrotizing vasculitis, thrombocytopenia purpura, blood pressure and pulse changes, rapid heart beat, cardiac arrhythmia, angina.

Adderall: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, may exacerbate behavior disturbances and thought disorders, and psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic use of amphetamines.

Dexedrine: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic amphetamine use.

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI)

Prozac: Anxiety, restlessness, mania/hypomania, seizures, suicide, impaired judgment, agitation, amnesia, confusion, emotional lability, apathy, depersonalization, hallucinations, hostility, paranoid reaction, personality disorder, delusions.
Cardiac side effects: hemorrhage, hypertension, angina, arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attack, rapid heart beat, atrial fibrillation, cerebral embolism, heart block.

Zoloft: Mania/hypomania, suicide, agitation, anxiety, emotional lability, apathy, paranoid reactions, hallucinations, aggressive reactions, delusions, illusion.
Cardiac side effects: heart palpitations, chest pain, hypertension, rapid heartbeat, dizziness, syncope, fluid retention, heart attack.

Paxil: Mania/hypomania, impaired judgment, agitation, depression, anxiety, drugged feeling, depersonalization, amnesia, emotional lability, abnormal thinking, hallucinations, lack of emotion, hostility, manic reaction, neurosis, paranoid reaction, antisocial reaction, delirium, delusions, drug dependence, stupor.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope; EKG abnormalities, angina, heart attack.

Luvox: mania, apathy, amnesia, delusions, depersonalization, drug dependence, emotional lability, hostility, paranoid reaction, and phobia.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope, angina, heart failure, and heart attack.

OTHER DRUGS

Catapres: Adult high blood pressure drug: delirium, mental depression, visual and auditory hallucinations, restlessness, anxiety, agitation, irritability, other behavioral changes, drowsiness.
Cardiac side-effects: congestive heart failure, cerebrovascular accident (stroke), EKG abnormalities, arrhythmias, chest pain, syncope, high blood pressure, rapid heartbeat and palpitations.

Wellbutrin: Agitation, anxiety, restlessness, delusions, hallucinations, psychotic episodes, confusion, paranoia, mania, seizures, hostility, depression, depersonalization, mood instability, thought disorder, suicidal ideation.
Cardiac side effects: edema, chest pain, EKG abnormalities, shortness of breath, heart attack.

Norpramine: Psychiatric disturbances, seizures, anxiety, hallucinations, restlessness, agitation, nightmares, insomnia, confusion, tremors.
Cardiac side effects: Sudden death in children, heart attack, heart block, stroke, arrhythmias, rapid heart rate.

[Disgusted]

He went up in arms when I said that mental disorders are due to imbalances of chemicals in the brain, So I'm assuming he doesn't believe things like Clinical Depression are caused by neuro-chemical disorders.

Like I said before, they are "thought" to be caused by a chemical imbalance. The medical industry uses their words very carefully. In reality they do not know and they admit this. They do not even fully understand how the drugs that they are prescribing actually work. Again, thru their own admission.

[Max_Rep]

Violence and Psychiatric Drugs

1. On May 25, 1997 18-year-old Jeremy Strohmeyer raped and murdered a 7-year-old African American girl in Las Vegas, Nevada. Strohmeyer had been diagnosed with ADD and prescribed Dexedrine, a Ritalin-like drug, immediately prior to the killing.

2. On October 1, 1997, in Pearl Mississippi, 16-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed his mother, 50-year-old Mary Woodham, to death and then went to his high school where he shot nine people, killing two teenage girls and wounding seven others. Published reports say he was on Prozac.

3. Exactly two months later on Dec 1, 1997, Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed. Carneal was reportedly on Ritalin.

4. Then in February 1998, a young man in Huntsville, Alabama on Ritalin went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

5. On March 24, 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas, 11-year-old Andrew Golden and 14-year-old Mitchell Johnson shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. According to one report, the boys were believed to be on Ritalin.

6. Two months later another grisly school massacre occurred. On May 21, 1998 15-year-old Kip Kinkel of Springfield, Oregon murdered his parents and proceeded to his high school where he went on a rampage killing two students and wounding 22 others. Kinkel had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

7. On April 16, 1999, 15-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho took a 12-gauge shot gun to school and started firing, injuring one student and holding the school hostage for about 20 minutes. Terrified students ran for their lives, some barricading themselves in classrooms. Cooper had been taking Ritalin when he fired the shotgun's rounds.

8. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing himself. Harris was on one of the SSRI anti-depressants called Luvox.

9. A month later to the day, on May 20, 1999 T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old high school student in Conyers, Georgia, on Ritalin(r), opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates. Thankfully, none were killed.

10. Fourteen-year-old Rod Mathews who had been prescribed Ritalin(r) since the third grade beat a classmate to death with a bat.
11. Nineteen-year-old James Wilson, who had been on psychiatric drugs for 5 years, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school in Breenwood, South Carolina, killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

According to national news reports in January 1999, ten days after Ryan Ehlis, a college student in Bismark, North Dakota, began taking Adderall to control his attention deficit disorder and to help him with his college studies, he slipped into a psychotic fog and killed his infant daughter. He said God told him to do it. The courts found him innocent after testimony by a psychiatrist and by the manufacturer of the drug that the "psychotic state" was a very rare side effect of Adderall use.

[Disgusted]

"attention deficit disorder "   

[Max_Rep]

U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section,1995

Methylphenidate (Ritalin®) - Overview

1. Ritalin is a Schedule II stimulate, structurally and pharmacologically similar to amphetamines and cocaine and has the same dependency profile of cocaine and other stimulants.

2. Ritalin produces amphetamine and cocaine-like reinforcing effects including increased rate of euphoria and drug liking. Treatment with Ritalin in childhood predisposes takers to cocaine's reinforcing effects.

3. In humans, chronic administration of Ritalin produced tolerance and showed cross-tolerance with cocaine and amphetamines.

4. Ritalin is chosen over cocaine in self-administered preference studies in non-human primates.

5. Ritalin produces behavioral, physiological and reinforcing effects
similar to amphetamines.

6. Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and amphetamines in scientific studies.

7. Children medicated with Ritalin who tried cocaine reported higher levels of drug dependence than those who had not used Ritalin.

8. Ritalin abuse is neither benign or rare in occurrence and is accurately described as producing severe dependence. Sweden removed Ritalin from its market in 1968 because of widespread abuse.

9. More high school seniors were abusing Ritalin than those taking it medically prescribed.

Side-effects of Ritalin: increased blood pressure, heart rate, respirations and temperature; appetite suppression, weight loss, growth retardation; facial tics, muscle twitching, central nervous system stimulation, euphoria, nervousness, irritability and agitation, psychotic episodes, violent behavior, paranoid delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behaviors, heart arrhythmias, palpitations and high blood pressure; tolerance and psychological dependence and death

10. Ritalin will affect normal children and adults the same as those with attention and behavior problems. Effectiveness of Ritalin is not diagnostic.

CHADD, non-profit organization, which promotes the use of Ritalin, also receives a great deal of money from the drug manufacturer of Ritalin. CHADD does not inform its members of the abuse problems of Ritalin. CHADD portrays the drug as a benign, mild stimulant that is not associated with abuse or serious side-effects. Statements by CHADD are inconsistent with scientific literature.

11. The International Narcotics Control Board expressed concern that CHADD is actively lobbying for the use of Ritalin in children.

12. Ritalin is one of the top ten drugs involved in drug thefts and is being abused by health professionals as well as street addicts.

Since Adderall and Dexadrine are amphetamines, could on conclude the above statements would also be true of them?

1998 National Institutes of Health Conference on ADHD
Report Summary
 
■ No valid, independent, consistent test available
■ No data indicating it is a brain dysfunction
■  Drugs don't normalize all behaviors
■ Kids on drugs still have higher level of behavior problems
■ Kids on drugs show little improvement in academic
   and social skills
■ No information on treatment for more than one year
■ High doses of drugs cause hypertension, nervous and cardiovascular systems  damage

[Max_Rep]

Nutritional Facts

Vitamin A (Beta Carotene): Aids Memory, Learning. A study in mice suggests that vitamin A plays an important role in learning and memory, a finding that researchers say underscores concerns about vitamin A deficiency in some 190 million children throughout the world. December issue of the Journal Neuron as quoted in Jan 08 (Reuters Health.)

Thiamine: When patients with evidence of thiamine deficiency were supplemented, their behavior improved. Lonsdale D, Shamberger R, Am J Chin Nutr 33(2):205-1 1, 1980.

Niacin (vitamin B3): Supplementation may be helpful for the symptoms of hyperactivity, deteriorating school performance, perceptual changes and inability to acquire or maintain social relationships. Hoffer, A, Vitamin B3 Dependent Child, Schizophrenia, 3:107-113, 1971.

Pyridoxine (vitamin B6): Was found to be more effective than methylphenidate (Ritalin) in treating a group of hyperactive children in a double-blind, crossover study. A Preliminary Study of the Effect of Pyridoxine
Administration to a Subgroup of Hyperkinetic children: A Double-blind, crossover Comparison with Methylphenidate, Coleman, et al, Bid. Psychiatry, Vol. 14, No. 5, 1979, pp. 741-751.

When B6 Pyridoxine was given to hyperactive children with low blood serotonin levels, their hyperactivity disappeared and serotonin levels returned to normal. The effect of pyridoxine hydrochloride on blood serotonin and pyridoxal phosphate contents in hyperactive children, Pediatrics, 55:437-41, 1975.

Magnesium: Deficiency in children is characterized by excessive fidgeting, anxious, restlessness, psychomotor instability and learning difficulties in presence of normal IQ. Clinical Aspects of Chronic Magnesium Deficiency, Seelig, Mildred, Magnesium in Health and Disease, Spectrum Publishing, 1980.

Calcium: Hyperactivity may be due to calcium deficiency and may improve on supplementation. Drugging the American Child, Walker S.J. Learn. Disabil, 8:354, 1975

Omega-3 Fatty Acids (Flax Oil): A greater number of behavior problems assessed by the Connor’s Rating Scale, temper tantrums and sleep problems were reported in boys age 6-12 with lower total omega-3 fatty acid concentrations. Omega-3 Fatty Acids in Boys with Behavior, Learning and Health Problems, Stevens, et al, Physiology and Behavior, 1996

DMAE: a neurotransmitter precursor, has been used to improve behaviors, mental concentration, puzzle solving ability and organization(J.Pediatrics,1958).

DHA: is an omega-3 Fatty Acid that is necessary for brain development and functioning. DHA may improve mood and memory and deficient levels correlate with behavioral problems in children. DHA is found in breast milk and is necessary for optimal development of the eyes and the brain.

Zinc: Association suggested between zinc deficiency and ADHD. Serum zinc levels in ADHD group were significantly lower than controls, Zinc Deficiency in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Toren, et al,
Biol. Psychiatry, 1996;40:1308-1310.
Zinc deficiency may make children irritable, tearful, sullen and have gaze aversion, Moyna han, Zinc Deficiency and Disturbances of Mood and Visula Behavior, Lancet, 1:91, 1976.

Sucrose: may cause a ten times increase in adrenaline levels in children resulting in difficulty concentrating, irritability and anxiety. Jones, Tim, Borg W. et al, Journal of Pediatrics, Vol 1, 126 (2) Feb 1995, pp. 171 -177.
Sucrose: may cause increase in inappropriate behavior and decrement in performance. Journal of Abnormal Child Psych. 1986 14(4):565-77.
Sucrose: Overly aggressive behavior may be associated with elevated sugar intake. Schauss, A., Diet, Crime and Delinquency, Parker House, 1980.

[Disgusted]

So when did all these deficit disorders come into existence?     Oh yeah, when the drug companies made up a pill for them. It wasn't enough to say that a child had them, now adults do too. What a freakin joke. I know a girl who is in college and she told her Dr that she was stressed because she had to study all the time, he gave her Zoloft. Let me tell you that her problems have just begun. What a shame that this can be done. These Dr's are handing out drugs for any type of complaint left and right.

[240 is Back]

So when did all these deficit disorders come into existence?     Oh yeah, when the drug companies made up a pill for them. It wasn't enough to say that child had them, now adults do too. What a freakin joke. I know a girl who is in college and she told her Dr that she was stressed because she had to study all the time, he gave her Zoloft. Let me tell you that her problems have just begun. What a shame that this can be done. These Dr's are handing out drugs for any type of complaint left and right.

i agree they overmedicate.
But for some with severe depression or OCD, SSRIs can improve the standard of life greatly

[triple_pickle]

your gf's body is adjusting to weightlifting and therefore she is tired.  after a while though she will start producing extra test and one day will show up with a strap-on and pound you in the ass.

[drkaje]

I'd believe Onlyme is closest to the truth.

Depression + working out + no booty for you = some other dude tapping the ass.