Women, working out and sex

[240 is Back]

I'd believe Onlyme is closest to the truth.

Depression + working out + no booty for you = some other dude tapping the ass.

There is a 'plus' side to it.

You're sad.
But she's happier, and some other guy (or group of guys) is happier too.

In the Utilitarian sense of things, the sum of their happiness is greater than your pain. 

Damn you, Thomas Payne.

[drkaje]

Just find another girl.

There's no cooter shortage.

[Max_Rep]

Just find another girl.

There's no cooter shortage.

Best post of the entire thread. DTB = Dump That B*tch. The kid is probably to young to have a steady gf anyway. He needs to be out hitting everything that walks. 

[drkaje]

The women here won't tell him the obvious truth.

The Sisterhood has a code of silence.

[fearANDloathing]

You gotta use turn on words when your with your chick. Like "f**k Pig!" "Howl Skank!"

FINALLY, a man witht the plan

[ARMZ]

Her sex drive didn't drop.  She is poking some other guy(s) at the gym and her pussy is worn out by the time she sees you.  The only alternative is you get her first thing in the morning.  Then the guys at the gym will get sloopy seconds.

yeah, then the trick will be on the guys at the gym, you'll win. Poor guys doing her in the tanning bed will get sloppy seconds..

[HowieW]

My girlfriend has been training consistently for a couple months now, and I'm sad to say her sex drive has dropped. Is this a side effect and what may cause this?

No, maybe she found other dudes at the gym and is having more sex than ever, just NOT with you, sorry bro  ...what gym does she train at?

[Johnny Apollo]

Here’s what I find interesting… How is it that the package inserts for Phychiatric Drugs and the PDR lists side effects that are even worse that the symptoms they are supposed to be “curing”. I suppose that there were no valid scientific studies conducted that lead to the necessity of these statements, right? Some things just make a reasonable person go… hmmm.   

Side effects rarely happen if used correctly.

Hell..Accutane has HUNDREDS of major side effects..I've been using for a half of a year. I haven't had ANY side effects.

Ritalin: depression, chronic abuse can lead to tolerance and psychic dependency with varying degrees of abnormal behavior. Frank psychotic episodes can occur. Patients with agitation may react adversely. CBC and platelet count (lab work) are advised. Long-term affects have not been established.
Cardiac side effects: necrotizing vasculitis, thrombocytopenia purpura, blood pressure and pulse changes, rapid heart beat, cardiac arrhythmia, angina.

Adderall: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, may exacerbate behavior disturbances and thought disorders, and psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic use of amphetamines.

Dexedrine: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic amphetamine use.

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI)

Prozac: Anxiety, restlessness, mania/hypomania, seizures, suicide, impaired judgment, agitation, amnesia, confusion, emotional lability, apathy, depersonalization, hallucinations, hostility, paranoid reaction, personality disorder, delusions.
Cardiac side effects: hemorrhage, hypertension, angina, arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attack, rapid heart beat, atrial fibrillation, cerebral embolism, heart block.

Zoloft: Mania/hypomania, suicide, agitation, anxiety, emotional lability, apathy, paranoid reactions, hallucinations, aggressive reactions, delusions, illusion.
Cardiac side effects: heart palpitations, chest pain, hypertension, rapid heartbeat, dizziness, syncope, fluid retention, heart attack.

Paxil: Mania/hypomania, impaired judgment, agitation, depression, anxiety, drugged feeling, depersonalization, amnesia, emotional lability, abnormal thinking, hallucinations, lack of emotion, hostility, manic reaction, neurosis, paranoid reaction, antisocial reaction, delirium, delusions, drug dependence, stupor.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope; EKG abnormalities, angina, heart attack.

Luvox: mania, apathy, amnesia, delusions, depersonalization, drug dependence, emotional lability, hostility, paranoid reaction, and phobia.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope, angina, heart failure, and heart attack.

OTHER DRUGS

Catapres: Adult high blood pressure drug: delirium, mental depression, visual and auditory hallucinations, restlessness, anxiety, agitation, irritability, other behavioral changes, drowsiness.
Cardiac side-effects: congestive heart failure, cerebrovascular accident (stroke), EKG abnormalities, arrhythmias, chest pain, syncope, high blood pressure, rapid heartbeat and palpitations.

Wellbutrin: Agitation, anxiety, restlessness, delusions, hallucinations, psychotic episodes, confusion, paranoia, mania, seizures, hostility, depression, depersonalization, mood instability, thought disorder, suicidal ideation.
Cardiac side effects: edema, chest pain, EKG abnormalities, shortness of breath, heart attack.

Norpramine: Psychiatric disturbances, seizures, anxiety, hallucinations, restlessness, agitation, nightmares, insomnia, confusion, tremors.
Cardiac side effects: Sudden death in children, heart attack, heart block, stroke, arrhythmias, rapid heart rate.

Again...These side effects are extremly rare. The VAST MAJORITY of users never even experience side effects while taking the drugs and if they do they are extremly minor.
The drug producers list all side effects hypothetical or not. 99.9% of the time a user won't have any side effects while using these drugs.

[Johnny Apollo]

1. On May 25, 1997 18-year-old Jeremy Strohmeyer raped and murdered a 7-year-old African American girl in Las Vegas, Nevada. Strohmeyer had been diagnosed with ADD and prescribed Dexedrine, a Ritalin-like drug, immediately prior to the killing.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Fallacy!

Prove Ritalin caused him to kill her.

2. On October 1, 1997, in Pearl Mississippi, 16-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed his mother, 50-year-old Mary Woodham, to death and then went to his high school where he shot nine people, killing two teenage girls and wounding seven others. Published reports say he was on Prozac.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Fallacy!

3. Exactly two months later on Dec 1, 1997, Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed. Carneal was reportedly on Ritalin.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Fallacy!

4. Then in February 1998, a young man in Huntsville, Alabama on Ritalin went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

5. On March 24, 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas, 11-year-old Andrew Golden and 14-year-old Mitchell Johnson shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. According to one report, the boys were believed to be on Ritalin.

6. Two months later another grisly school massacre occurred. On May 21, 1998 15-year-old Kip Kinkel of Springfield, Oregon murdered his parents and proceeded to his high school where he went on a rampage killing two students and wounding 22 others. Kinkel had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

7. On April 16, 1999, 15-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho took a 12-gauge shot gun to school and started firing, injuring one student and holding the school hostage for about 20 minutes. Terrified students ran for their lives, some barricading themselves in classrooms. Cooper had been taking Ritalin when he fired the shotgun's rounds.

8. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing himself. Harris was on one of the SSRI anti-depressants called Luvox.

9. A month later to the day, on May 20, 1999 T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old high school student in Conyers, Georgia, on Ritalin(r), opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates. Thankfully, none were killed.

10. Fourteen-year-old Rod Mathews who had been prescribed Ritalin(r) since the third grade beat a classmate to death with a bat.
11. Nineteen-year-old James Wilson, who had been on psychiatric drugs for 5 years, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school in Breenwood, South Carolina, killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

According to national news reports in January 1999, ten days after Ryan Ehlis, a college student in Bismark, North Dakota, began taking Adderall to control his attention deficit disorder and to help him with his college studies, he slipped into a psychotic fog and killed his infant daughter. He said God told him to do it. The courts found him innocent after testimony by a psychiatrist and by the manufacturer of the drug that the "psychotic state" was a very rare side effect of Adderall use.

Fallacy..Fallacy..Fallac y..Fallacy..Fallacy..Fal lacy....


Violence and School shootings occur ALL OF THE TIME! Just because a few of the killers happened to be taking a drug prior to the crime does NOT prove the drug caused it anymore than them brushing their teeth prior to a crime proves brushing their teeth caused it.

So let's assume that these drugs did cause tese crimes..EXTREMLY RARE but let's assume it for shits and giggles..

EVEN SO that does NOT negate it's use as a medication to treat mental disorders. A few people having major side effects and commiting crimes does not negate it's medical use anymore than people dying due to surgery negates surgery as a medical procedure.

[Johnny Apollo]

U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section,1995

Methylphenidate (Ritalin®) - Overview

1. Ritalin is a Schedule II stimulate, structurally and pharmacologically similar to amphetamines and cocaine and has the same dependency profile of cocaine and other stimulants.

2. Ritalin produces amphetamine and cocaine-like reinforcing effects including increased rate of euphoria and drug liking. Treatment with Ritalin in childhood predisposes takers to cocaine's reinforcing effects.

3. In humans, chronic administration of Ritalin produced tolerance and showed cross-tolerance with cocaine and amphetamines.

4. Ritalin is chosen over cocaine in self-administered preference studies in non-human primates.

5. Ritalin produces behavioral, physiological and reinforcing effects
similar to amphetamines.

6. Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and amphetamines in scientific studies.

7. Children medicated with Ritalin who tried cocaine reported higher levels of drug dependence than those who had not used Ritalin.

8. Ritalin abuse is neither benign or rare in occurrence and is accurately described as producing severe dependence. Sweden removed Ritalin from its market in 1968 because of widespread abuse.

9. More high school seniors were abusing Ritalin than those taking it medically prescribed.

Side-effects of Ritalin: increased blood pressure, heart rate, respirations and temperature; appetite suppression, weight loss, growth retardation; facial tics, muscle twitching, central nervous system stimulation, euphoria, nervousness, irritability and agitation, psychotic episodes, violent behavior, paranoid delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behaviors, heart arrhythmias, palpitations and high blood pressure; tolerance and psychological dependence and death

10. Ritalin will affect normal children and adults the same as those with attention and behavior problems. Effectiveness of Ritalin is not diagnostic.

CHADD, non-profit organization, which promotes the use of Ritalin, also receives a great deal of money from the drug manufacturer of Ritalin. CHADD does not inform its members of the abuse problems of Ritalin. CHADD portrays the drug as a benign, mild stimulant that is not associated with abuse or serious side-effects. Statements by CHADD are inconsistent with scientific literature.

11. The International Narcotics Control Board expressed concern that CHADD is actively lobbying for the use of Ritalin in children.

12. Ritalin is one of the top ten drugs involved in drug thefts and is being abused by health professionals as well as street addicts.

Since Adderall and Dexadrine are amphetamines, could on conclude the above statements would also be true of them?

1998 National Institutes of Health Conference on ADHD
Report Summary
 
■ No valid, independent, consistent test available
■ No data indicating it is a brain dysfunction
■  Drugs don't normalize all behaviors
■ Kids on drugs still have higher level of behavior problems
■ Kids on drugs show little improvement in academic
   and social skills
■ No information on treatment for more than one year
■ High doses of drugs cause hypertension, nervous and cardiovascular systems  damage

All of this info comes from a Bias source that took everything the NIH stated out of context...The NIH actually conclued absolutely opposite of what you just posted.

http://www.ritalindeath.com/ADHD-Report-Summary.htm

^Bias source that took it out of context..


Actuall conclusions...

"Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or ADHD is a commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder of childhood that represents a costly major public health problem. Children with ADHD have pronounced impairments and can experience long-term adverse effects on academic performance, vocational success, and social-emotional development which have a profound impact on individuals, families, schools, and society. Despite progress in the assessment, diagnosis, and treatment of ADHD, this disorder and its treatment have remained controversial, especially the use of psychostimulants for both short- and long-term treatment.

Although an independent diagnostic test for ADHD does not exist, there is evidence supporting the validity of the disorder. Further research is needed on the dimensional aspects of ADHD, as well as the comorbid (coexisting) conditions present in both childhood and adult forms.

Studies (primarily short term, approximately 3 months), including randomized clinical trials, have established the efficacy of stimulants and psychosocial treatments for alleviating the symptoms of ADHD and associated aggressiveness and have indicated that stimulants are more effective than psychosocial therapies in treating these symptoms. Because of the lack of consistent improvement beyond the core symptoms and the paucity of long-term studies (beyond 14 months), there is a need for longer term studies with drugs and behavioral modalities and their combination. Although trials are under way, conclusive recommendations concerning treatment for the long term cannot be made presently.

There are wide variations in the use of psychostimulants across communities and physicians, suggesting no consensus regarding which ADHD patients should be treated with psychostimulants. These problems point to the need for improved assessment, treatment, and followup of patients with ADHD. A more consistent set of diagnostic procedures and practice guidelines is of utmost importance. Furthermore, the lack of insurance coverage preventing the appropriate diagnosis and treatment of ADHD and the lack of integration with educational services are substantial barriers and represent considerable long-term costs for society.

Finally, after years of clinical research and experience with ADHD, our knowledge about the cause or causes of ADHD remains largely speculative. Consequently, we have no documented strategies for the prevention of ADHD."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/adhd/nih.html

Nice Try! LMAO!

[Johnny Apollo]

So when did all these deficit disorders come into existence?     Oh yeah, when the drug companies made up a pill for them. It wasn't enough to say that a child had them, now adults do too. What a freakin joke. I know a girl who is in college and she told her Dr that she was stressed because she had to study all the time, he gave her Zoloft. Let me tell you that her problems have just begun. What a shame that this can be done. These Dr's are handing out drugs for any type of complaint left and right.

That's absolutely false...These mental disorders symptoms have been documented for hundreds of years. They have been here but we just didn't know what they were or how to help them. Now we have much better ways of helping people who have these mental disorders.

[drkaje]

That's absolutely false...These mental disorders symptoms have been documented for hundreds of years. They have been here but we just didn't know what they were or how to help them. Now we have much better ways of helping people who have these mental disorders.

Before ADD there was another drug that worked far better than Ritalin. It was called an ass-whoopin'. Many a misbehaving child has had good results with this drug.

[Johnny Apollo]

Before ADD there was another drug that worked far better than Ritalin. It was called an ass-whoopin'. Many a misbehaving child has had good results with this drug.

ADD is a mental problem just like a missing limb is a physical problem. Beating someone with ADD is about as effective as beating someone with a missing limb. It's archiac and ineffective.
You aren't smart enough to understand neurobiology so I won't explain it to you..But i'll put it in simple terms.

ADHD=Bad
Ritalin=Help

Get it?

[drkaje]

Ritalin worked really well for those kids at Columbine.

If their parents had taken responsibility and payed them some attention, maybe they wouldn't have been building bombs. Instead, they let a pill do the parenting. That's what most do.

I'm not arguing that true ADD doesn't exist, but it's a very overused term. Take a break from cutting and paste, then talk to a real parent. What you'll find out is that in some elementary schools almost 25% of kids are on Ritalin. There's no way 25% of kids have ADD in America. Until there was Ritalin, ADD was almost unheard of.

Except for extreme cases..... when there is a behavoir problem, look at the parenting.

[st@nco]

this thread is making me depressed...

[Childish///AMG]

Just be her "Friend" don't dump her while she is down

[drkaje]

Just be her "Friend" don't dump her while she is down

LOL!

Believe it, he's been pre-dumped already. Any significant behavior change is the sign. Depressed, gym and no booty are all you need to know. It's over.

[Max_Rep]

Johnny Apollo... somehow I'm not at all surprised at your responses and ill fated attempts to discount my points stating fallacy. Package inserts are there for a reason. So are the warnings at the end of a commercial. Take Wellbutrin as example an “anti-depressant”. The warning at the end of the television commercial states that it could cause feelings of suicide.

Ludicrous… simply ludicrous.

Keep your misguided self-serving beliefs. I’m certainly not going to attempt to change your stance. You have done or said nothing to change mine. I’ve given valid literature to which you’ve attempted in vain to discount. We’re all adults here and can make our own choices. And long as the psychiatric community doesn’t imbed it’s way into our government, we’ll all still have that freedom. I’ve made my choice and you’ve made your choice.

[Max_Rep]

LOL!

Believe it, he's been pre-dumped already. Any significant behavior change is the sign. Depressed, gym and no booty are all you need to know. It's over.

Almost a certainty she's getting it elsewhere... dump the b*tch and find 10 more.

[Old-Skool]

I may be old-skool, but back in the day if your girl is getting herself back into shape and is not into the horizontal mombo with you, she's waxing the carrot somewhere else junior.

By the way, maybe he's not ADD, maybe he's just STUPID. Amazing how nobody has  low intelligence anymore, they just have some three letter syndrome and a drug addiction for being Fkn STUPID. LOL!!!!!

She's a cheatin bitch, and he's STUPID.......There you have it and i dont even have a doctorate!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Disgusted]

That's absolutely false...These mental disorders symptoms have been documented for hundreds of years. They have been here but we just didn't know what they were or how to help them. Now we have much better ways of helping people who have these mental disorders.

So not paying attention is a documented illness?? You are so in the dark it's sad.

[Max_Rep]

So not paying attention is a documented illness?? You are so in the dark it's sad.

No he’s not in the dark… he is deeply imbedded in the psychiatric industry and feels his income being threatened by the truth.

[Johnny Apollo]

Johnny Apollo... somehow I'm not at all surprised at your responses and ill fated attempts to discount my points stating fallacy. Package inserts are there for a reason. So are the warnings at the end of a commercial. Take Wellbutrin as example an “anti-depressant”. The warning at the end of the television commercial states that it could cause feelings of suicide.

Ill fated? How so? Explain.

Anti-Depressants RARELY cause suicidal feelings. Side effects are RARE but must be listed for medical purposes. It's a balance between curing symptoms and having side effects and 99.9% of the time it's better to cure the symptoms.

Keep your misguided self-serving beliefs. I’m certainly not going to attempt to change your stance. You have done or said nothing to change mine. I’ve given valid literature to which you’ve attempted in vain to discount. We’re all adults here and can make our own choices. And long as the psychiatric community doesn’t imbed it’s way into our government, we’ll all still have that freedom. I’ve made my choice and you’ve made your choice.

Self serving? Try Simply "Serving". Millions suffer from mental disorders and millions are helped majorly by modern science and medication. Without it they would SUFFER everyday. But it's easy for YOU to discount their medication when you don't suffer from their illness. It's absurd..It's like some healthy person criticizing ChemoTherapy to someone who has Cancer "Ohh,But you'll go bald and get sick! It's not worth it!" 

Secondly EVERYTHING you posted was either a fallacy or completly false and I demonstrated how. You Copied and pasted from crazy "anti psychiatry" websites which took the statements of the NIH and twisted them all around..This I demonstrated perfectly.

[Johnny Apollo]

So not paying attention is a documented illness?? You are so in the dark it's sad.

Not paying attention isn't a documented illness. Try looking up the symptoms of ADHD/ADD before spouting off your bullshit. Do some RESEARCH! It's not that hard.
Not being able to pay attention in everyday life is a SYMPTOM of ADD however not the only symptom.

Symptoms include but are not limited to..

A sense of underachievement, of not meeting one's goals (regardless of how much one has actually accomplished).
Difficulty getting organized.
Chronic procrastination or trouble getting started.
Many projects going simultaneously; trouble with follow through.
A tendency to say what comes to mind without necessarily considering the timing or appropriateness of the remark.
A frequent search for high stimulation.
An intolerance of boredom.
Easy distractibility; trouble focusing attention, tendency to tune out or drift away in the middle of a page or conversation, often coupled with an inability to focus at times.
Often creative, intuitive, highly intelligent.
Trouble in going through established channels and following "proper" procedure.
Impatient; low tolerance of frustration.
Impulsive, either verbally or in action, as an impulsive spending of money.
Changing plans, enacting new schemes or career plans and the like; hot-tempered.
A tendency to worry needlessly, endlessly; a tendency to scan the horizon looking for something to worry about, alternating with attention to or disregard for actual dangers.
A sense of insecurity.
Mood swings, mood instability, especially when disengaged from a person or a project.
Physical or cognitive restlessness.
A tendency toward addictive behavior.
Chronic problems with self-esteem.
Inaccurate self-observation.
Family history of AD/HD or manic depressive illness or depression or substance abuse or other disorders of impulse control or mood.

From someone with ADHD...

...It's like being super-charged all the time. You get one idea and you have to act on it, and then, what do you know, but you've got another idea before you've finished up with the first one, and so you go for that one, but of course a third idea intercepts the second, and you just have to follow that one, and pretty soon people are calling you disorganized and impulsive and all sorts of impolite words that miss the point completely. Because you're trying really hard. It's just that you have all these invisible vectors pulling you this way and that, which makes it really hard to stay on task.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder

[analcandy]

max rep and disgusted are two immature idiots who think they can cure everything in their life by themselves. The problem is that they dont understand most of the time they cured their own disorders because of the people who were helping em. And that's the only purpose of psychatry: someone 's here to hear you , talk with you and suggest you how to get better, find solutions,when you re totally knocked out and blinded by your problems.When your loved ones are unable to help you.

Sure most people with a minimum of Will will be able to overcome the difficulties they meet in their life. But at some points, for some reasons, you just can't handle the shit, and you need the other's help.

Let's just hope you two clowns will never know what some people have had to overcome.

Because it look like you would fail to find a way to overcome these majors troubles , since you wouldnt consider that people around you could help you.

It's hard to say it, but sometimes, you need the others, because you just can' t handle it alone.

That's how nature works, how animals do it, how we do it, and you must be really stupid to think you re better than others individuals, or animals.

You re just not really aware of what makes your life working fine.

It's not you, it's you and the others surrounding you.


Maybe one day you will understand. But this day, you will think "damn, i cant stand it, i just cant get it anymore, nobody CAN help me since i m powerless facing my troubles, so all i can do is die"

That's what happen when you think you re superman for too long.