NOAA Radiosonde Data Shows No Warming For 58 Years

[Coach is Back!]

There's no way you can't believe that the climate is changing... Forget all the science for a second and just think about it... There are more cars on the road, more planes in the air, pollution is at an all time high in some of the major cities, more electronics being used then ever before, each of these gadgets emitting heat, an absurd amount of wireless networks, cell networks, satellite networks, microwave networks, emitting so much radiation, air conditioners extracting and recycling artificial hot air into the atmosphere.  Just ask yourself where does all this energy go?  Energy cannot be created nor destroyed so it has to go somewhere.

You weren't around in the late 60's - 70's when schools (at least in LA) closed on certain days. These days were called "smog days". It was so bad that it literally made it hard to breath. This was before smog testing for automobiles, catiletic converters, etc. we have come along way since that time. But even when data goes back that far, even that didn't cause much if any change. Liberals myth is that repubs don't care about the environment, it's a load of crap. I live in the most conservative county in california and we're probably just as if not more conscientious about our beaches than anyone on either coast. My house is on the beach. I don't know one single person who doesn't care about having trash and pollution on our beaches and waters.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

All this talk about Global warming. One Super Volcano erupts tomorrow and part of the world will be in an Ice Age/Nuclear winter.

[BIG ACH]

You weren't around in the late 60's - 70's when schools (at least in LA) closed on certain days. These days were called "smog days". It was so bad that it literally made it hard to breath. This was before smog testing for automobiles, catiletic converters, etc. we have come along way since that time. But even when data goes back that far, even that didn't cause much if any change. Liberals myth is that repubs don't care about the environment, it's a load of crap. I live in the most conservative county in california and we're probably just as if not more conscientious about our beaches than anyone on either coast. My house is on the beach. I don't know one single person who doesn't care about having trash and pollution on our beaches and waters.

As there are cities and towns that are more conscious of this, there are other areas that are not, there are countries that are progressive in going green and others that are so far behind. You can't think of just what your town does. Think of the overpopulated countries like China and India that have much higher populations, much higher pollution, and weak environmental initiatives.  Do you truly believe the atmosphere is not being impacted?  Like at all?  Not even a little bit?

[Coffeed]

There's no way you can't believe that the climate is changing... Forget all the science for a second and just think about it... There are more cars on the road, more planes in the air, pollution is at an all time high in some of the major cities, more electronics being used then ever before, each of these gadgets emitting heat, an absurd amount of wireless networks, cell networks, satellite networks, microwave networks, emitting so much radiation, air conditioners extracting and recycling artificial hot air into the atmosphere.  Just ask yourself where does all this energy go?  Energy cannot be created nor destroyed so it has to go somewhere.

Yes but the electric waves cancel out the increased carbon. You didn't account for that.

Look it up!

[phreak]

Clown,

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

Pretty sure that I know the answer to the following question, but: Did you actually read the content of the link you posted? Even the extremely biased republican website you got this from has to acknowledge that even their cherry-picked data signals that most climate scientists agree in man-made global warming.

...it’s not unlikely that most scientists involved in climate-related studies believe in anthropogenic global warming, and likely believe, too, that it presents a problem. However, there is no consensus approaching 97 percent.

Also, nobody takes a website seriously if it has the following three links to other articles. "Getting Rich of Climate Extremism", an indictment against someone who the story claims, has said "We should hate Republicans", and "Carly Fiorina shows how to address the left on Climate Change". Not at all unbiased...


Overall, sensible people go where the evidence takes them. Extremists like you and your low-brow ilk are easy cannon fodder in debates that rage, hired (for free!) to fight a battle in which you don't even know what 'your side' is actually fighting for. Are there excesses in the green lobby? Of course! Al Gore is pretty obviously a crook, in it for his personal gain. But that just invalidates Al Gore the person, not by association also Climate Change. Just like I don't think climate change deniers are mostly bad people. Just the ones like the Koch brothers, who drum up simpletons or buy some unscrupulous scientists to fight on their behalf.

[avxo]

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

So, this guy takes two data sets about two different things - one is a data set of surface measurements and the other is a data set of atmospheric measurements (see radiosonde) - plots them and sticks the charts together until they "connect" and then draws a red line and pretends the data is meaningful without any adjustment or normalization? And people take this seriously?

I mean, I can see you, Joe, taking it seriously. You don't have the background to critically evaluate the claims in that article. Hell, you don't have the background to critically evaluate the statement "during a leap year the sun sets in the east, which is why the moon is made of cheese." You just accept both on faith, if the voice from talk radio says it's true. Because the voice is never wrong.

By the way, here's a chart (put together using this methodology) that shows the Federal deficit in billions of dollas, from 1901 until 2019. I marked some important events on the chart, to help give the numbers some context. Clearly, we need to have more  leg workouts while, simultaneously, sending a crack team of soldiers to find and kill neu-Hitler to prevent the automatic installation of World War 2 Service Pack 1. It can cause problems with USB toaster ovens.

[AbrahamG]

Global warming figures don't come from hard data.  They don't come from actual measured temperatures.  They come from computer simulations.  So.........

Their stuff is very convincing though because it usually comes with a picture of a polar bear standing on a small piece of ice floating somewhere in the arctic.  Gets you right in the feels.

Getbig poll:  Who is the stupider of the stupid fucks?  Coach is Back or Pray4War?

[pellius]

There's no way you can't believe that the climate is changing... Forget all the science for a second and just think about it... There are more cars on the road, more planes in the air, pollution is at an all time high in some of the major cities, more electronics being used then ever before, each of these gadgets emitting heat, an absurd amount of wireless networks, cell networks, satellite networks, microwave networks, emitting so much radiation, air conditioners extracting and recycling artificial hot air into the atmosphere.  Just ask yourself where does all this energy go?  Energy cannot be created nor destroyed so it has to go somewhere.

I'm surprised at you because you are so intelligent. I guess propaganda gets the best of them.

Arch, pollution is not at an all time high. It's at an all time low. Cars today run so much cleaner and more fuel efficient than just ten years ago and keeps getting better. Industries run so much cleaner. Don't you remember how cities like Pittsburgh and Detroit use to be?
There are more trees now than ever before. There was no such thing as recycling not too long ago. You can now swim in the Hudson River despite a million people flushing their toilets nearby.

It too bad that so many people do so much to improve conditions for everybody and it's just ignored. It's like America is the cause for the all the grief in the world. Pollution? America is the biggest polluter? How about China and Russia? Few if any regulations and they don't give a crap.

What specific city is pollution higher than it ever was before? Name just one.

[Yamcha]

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/#200d581269bb

[Coach is Back!]

So, this guy takes two data sets about two different things - one is a data set of surface measurements and the other is a data set of atmospheric measurements (see radiosonde) - plots them and sticks the charts together until they "connect" and then draws a red line and pretends the data is meaningful without any adjustment or normalization? And people take this seriously?

I mean, I can see you, Joe, taking it seriously. You don't have the background to critically evaluate the claims in that article. Hell, you don't have the background to critically evaluate the statement "during a leap year the sun sets in the east, which is why the moon is made of cheese." You just accept both on faith, if the voice from talk radio says it's true. Because the voice is never wrong.

By the way, here's a chart (put together using this methodology) that shows the Federal deficit in billions of dollas, from 1901 until 2019. I marked some important events on the chart, to help give the numbers some context. Clearly, we need to have more  leg workouts while, simultaneously, sending a crack team of soldiers to find and kill neu-Hitler to prevent the automatic installation of World War 2 Service Pack 1. It can cause problems with USB toaster ovens.

I don't take it seriously and realize it's total bullshit and a scam but if you want to buying into it then thats on you. It's not ever going to effect me, you, my kids, my grand kids, great grand kids, great great grand kids, great great great grand kids, great great great great great grand kids and probably beyond that. But as of today it doesn't affect my, yours or anyone elses with the exception of those children that have bought into what liberal professors and left wingnut politicians have fed to them. It's a total scam. 

[Thong Maniac]

I don't take it seriously and realize it's total bullshit and a scam but if you want to buying into it then thats on you. It's not ever going to effect me, you, my kids, my grand kids, great grand kids, great great grand kids, great great great grand kids, great great great great great grand kids and probably beyond that. But as of today it doesn't affect my, yours or anyone elses with the exception of those children that have bought into what liberal professors and left wingnut politicians have fed to them. It's a total scam. 

insert "conservative neo-cons and right wingnut politicians" into your last sentence and that describes you, so what is the difference? you preach and practice your dogma, while others practice and preach another. now your king shit cuz your side is right and the other is totally wrong? lol, more "my team is better than your team" from coach. political arguing is so funny, i hear the old folks talking about politicians at country kitchen buffet, so funny how they talk loud so other people can hear them.  adult fandom for people with nothing else going on in their lives. damn it felt so good when i stopped caring or even watching political theatre. it was like a liberation of sorts. try it coach,

[mr.turbo]

strangely obsessive posting from coach once again

nobody actually denies climate change anymore, time to update the talking points

[Coach is Back!]

strangely obsessive posting from coach once again

nobody actually denies climate change anymore, time to update the talking points

I'm not denying climate change, it happens every day all day and night. "Global Warming" is the joke.

[avxo]

I don't take it seriously and realize it's total bullshit and a scam but if you want to buying into it then thats on you. It's not ever going to effect me, you, my kids, my grand kids, great grand kids, great great grand kids, great great great grand kids, great great great great great grand kids and probably beyond that. But as of today it doesn't affect my, yours or anyone elses with the exception of those children that have bought into what liberal professors and left wingnut politicians have fed to them. It's a total scam.

That depends on what you mean by "it". The data doesn't lie: the planet is warming. We can debate whether this is a natural process or not. We can discuss about the weight different factors play in that warming. We can even talk about whether humans should be taking measures to help prevent it.

But the planet is warming. This isn't a figment of people's imaginations or the results of conspiracies involving thousands of scientists over a period of decades.

You say that this won't affect you or your kids and grandkids. The reality is that the climate can be very fragile; are you sure that an increase of 2 degrees won't have disastrous long-term consequences that affect your grandkids when they're in their 30s or 40s? Don't you feel the slightest obligation to the human race to try and avoid fucking up the planet (I'm talking more generally here than just climate change and global warming) if you can do so without sacrificing yourself?

[The True Adonis]

Getbig is a bastion of outright stupidity that of which does not know how to process information, does not know what data and evidence are, cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and is unable to navigate the world beyond their own bias.


Its a good representation of the population in general.  The sliding scale of stupidity is tipped further in their favor than for the intelligent.


Luckily, Scientific Fact and Consensus are true even if idiots don't want to acknowledge it.

[The True Adonis]

That depends on what you mean by "it". The data doesn't lie: the planet is warming. We can debate whether this is a natural process or not. We can discuss about the weight different factors play in that warming. We can even talk about whether humans should be taking measures to help prevent it.

But the planet is warming. This isn't a figment of people's imaginations or the results of conspiracies involving thousands of scientists over a period of decades.

You say that this won't affect you or your kids and grandkids. The reality is that the climate can be very fragile; are you sure that an increase of 2 degrees won't have disastrous long-term consequences that affect your grandkids when they're in their 30s or 40s? Don't you feel the slightest obligation to the human race to try and avoid fucking up the planet (I'm talking more generally here than just climate change and global warming) if you can do so without sacrificing yourself?

We should not even worry about Coach's offspring.  They will be assuredly as dumb as he is anyways.

[Thong Maniac]

lol my coach post ignored as always

[240 is Back]

It's more of a tax grab than a real issue. Making a crisis out of nothing.

what part of Bernie's tax plan do you dislike, specifically?   The small increase in the $250,001 category, is that it?
Vague/insults/dodges for answers are not acceptable.

[Coffeed]

Getbig is a bastion of outright stupidity that of which does not know how to process information, does not know what data and evidence are, cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and is unable to navigate the world beyond their own bias.


Its a good representation of the population in general.  The sliding scale of stupidity is tipped further in their favor than for the intelligent.


Luckily, Scientific Fact and Consensus are true even if idiots don't want to acknowledge it.

Posts: 47394

[The True Adonis]

Posts: 47394

That only comes to 11.548 per day since I have been here.

Not that much when you think about it and put it in context in 11 plus years.

[avxo]

what part of Bernie's tax plan do you dislike, specifically?   The small increase in the $250,001 category, is that it?
Vague/insults/dodges for answers are not acceptable.

The part where Bernie Sanders thinks that his ends justify the seizure of other people's means! I would not be affected by the 52% rate that he proposes, but I am fundamentally opposed to (a) essentially forcing someone to work for the government for half of their time and (b) the notion underlying his position on taxes: that it's the government's job to take care of me.

Frankly, if I wanted that shit, I'd move to Sweden.

[The True Adonis]

The part where Bernie Sanders thinks that his ends justify the seizure of my means!

I doubt you earn near that much money.

[The Ugly]

The part where Bernie Sanders thinks that his ends justify the seizure of other people's means! I would not be affected by the 52% rate that he proposes, but I am fundamentally opposed to (a) essentially forcing someone to work for the government for half of their time and (b) the notion underlying his position on taxes: that it's the government's job to take care of me.

Frankly, if I wanted that shit, I'd move to Sweden.

.

[avxo]

I doubt you earn near that much money.

You may doubt that all you want - what I make is none of your business. More than that, whether I am personally affected or not isn't relevant: I can still be opposed to the policy that the government should seize people's means to achieve Bernie Sanders' ends.

[The True Adonis]

You may doubt that all you want - what I make is none of your business. More than that, whether I am personally affected or not isn't relevant: I can still be opposed to the policy that the government should seize people's means to achieve Bernie Sanders' ends.

Of course you can.  You can also support policies that ruin the country and your own prosperity simultaneously.