Bernie's Billionairs

[El Diablo Blanco]

How fucked-up must a campaign be if "free everything" won't get votes?

People aren't as dumb as they used to be and realize there's nothing free in America.  It all comes at a price.  Bernie can pander to the poor and call them middle class all he wants, but the true middle class that he considers rich and wants to run up taxes on won't deal with his bullshit.

[drkaje]

People aren't as dumb as they used to be and realize there's nothing free in America.  It all comes at a price.  Bernie can pander to the poor and call them middle class all he wants, but the true middle class that he considers rich and wants to run up taxes on won't deal with his bullshit.

Let's face it: Liberal Progressives bootstrap every agenda they have to the backs of black people. Guys like TA couldn't give two fucks about blacks until their votes are needed to advance an agenda. It's going to be a dark, ugly day for the Democratic party if/when more black people realize this shit.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Let's face it: Liberal Progressives bootstrap every agenda they have to the backs of black people. Guys like TA couldn't give two fucks about blacks until their votes are needed to advance an agenda. It's going to be a dark, ugly day for the Democratic party if/when more black people realize this shit.

At least the democrats allow blacks to vote unlike the republican party that has put in numerous voter ID laws that make it harder and harder for them to vote.

[Yamcha]

[drkaje]

At least the democrats allow blacks to vote unlike the republican party that has put in numerous voter ID laws that make it harder and harder for them to vote.

You've perfectly stated the problem. It's a perspective issue: Voting is a goddamned constitutional right, not some grand gesture or favor the Democratic party is doing for black people.

[Walter Sobchak]

Let's face it: Liberal Progressives bootstrap every agenda they have to the backs of black people. Guys like TA couldn't give two fucks about blacks until their votes are needed to advance an agenda. It's going to be a dark, ugly day for the Democratic party if/when more black people realize this shit.

You are 100% correct and you would hope that.

But I live in Chicago and watch them vote the same crooks into office year after year after year.

Trump may have non-traditional political ideologies, but he will at least be representative democracy. If he is president it will be because the people elected him...not some old guard GOP brokered convention or Clinton political machine bullshit.

It is hard for me to comprehend that there are Republicans so afraid of Trump that they would rather see Hillary Clinton become president

[El Diablo Blanco]

You are 100% correct and you would hope that.

But I live in Chicago and watch them vote the same crooks into office year after year after year.

Trump may have non-traditional political ideologies, but he will at least be representative democracy. If he is president it will be because the people elected him...not some old guard GOP brokered convention or Clinton political machine bullshit.

It is hard for me to comprehend that there are Republicans so afraid of Trump that they would rather see Hillary Clinton become president

Just look at that Black DC mayor who was caught smoking crack and they voted him back him.  Not because he was a decent man but only because he was black and represented them.

[Walter Sobchak]

Just look at that Black DC mayor who was caught smoking crack and they voted him back him.  Not because he was a decent man but only because he was black and represented them.

Google "Bobby Rush" sometime. He is a long time Chicago alderman.

That fucker is as crooked as a dog's hind leg, and there are hundreds just like him here.

Voting by Chicago blacks is based 100% on skin color

[The True Adonis]

Let's face it: Liberal Progressives bootstrap every agenda they have to the backs of black people. Guys like TA couldn't give two fucks about blacks until their votes are needed to advance an agenda. It's going to be a dark, ugly day for the Democratic party if/when more black people realize this shit.

Why should anyone give two fucks about their vote?  They are worthless no matter who they vote for. 

[The True Adonis]

You are 100% correct and you would hope that.

But I live in Chicago and watch them vote the same crooks into office year after year after year.

Trump may have non-traditional political ideologies, but he will at least be representative democracy. If he is president it will be because the people elected him...not some old guard GOP brokered convention or Clinton political machine bullshit.

It is hard for me to comprehend that there are Republicans so afraid of Trump that they would rather see Hillary Clinton become president

The Bernie supporters like me, who will vote for Trump, will put Trump over the edge.  They estimate at least 30 and up to 50 percent right WILL NOT vote for Hillary.  That is devastating for that career criminal C U N T

[El Diablo Blanco]

The Bernie supporters like me, who will vote for Trump, will put Trump over the edge.  They estimate at least 30 and up to 50 percent right WILL NOT vote for Hillary.  That is devastating for that career criminal C U N T

Shows absolutely how retarded the Bernie supporters are.  More people will come out to vote to ensure Trump doesn't win.

[The True Adonis]

Shows absolutely how retarded the Bernie supporters are.  More people will come out to vote to ensure Trump doesn't win.

Bullshit.

More will come out because Hillary is as worthless as the AA community she represents. 

[The True Adonis]

Just saw this right now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/33-percent-of-bernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html


33 Percent of Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton. Here's Why
03/16/2016 09:00 am ET
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    H. A. Goodman
    Columnist published in The Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Baltimore Sun, The Hill, Salon, The Jerusalem Post www.hagoodman.com

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Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat not linked to an FBI investigation. If this doesn't mean anything to you, then you're too terrified of Trump's rallies to realize that Clinton could get indicted. Also, if you can't fathom the possibility of Donald Trump winning, then keep in mind that most Americans don't trust or like Hillary Clinton. A general election isn't a popularity contest among Democrats. In 10 out of 10 national polls regarding favorability, Hillary Clinton has negative favorability ratings nationally in all 10.

Be very careful what you wish for, because most Americans have an unfavorable view of Clinton and Bernie Sanders already beats Trump by a wider margin. I'm only voting for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and I explain why in this YouTube segment. Most importantly, Democrats should remember that 33% of Bernie Sanders voters will refuse to vote for Clinton in November, if she becomes nominee.

As stated by The Wall Street Journal, there are a great many Bernie Sanders supporters like H. A. Goodman:

    A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders' supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November. This could spell trouble for Clinton who will likely need Sanders' backers in order to win the White House.

So, you can replay the unrest at Trump rallies one million more times (we know how that terrified voters into choosing Clinton the other day), but I'll just show you this video of the typical IED blast that American soldiers had to battle in Iraq.

Between half to two-thirds of all the American soldiers killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan were the victims of IED blasts, and Hillary Clinton advocated sending U.S. ground troops back to the Middle East last November.

I called Donald Trump a clown and buffoon when I appeared on CNN, but Hillary Clinton in many ways is worse.

Why?

Bill Crystal and other neoconservatives would rather see Hillary Clinton in the White House than Trump, so while I'll never vote for Trump, I'll never vote for a Democrat with a neoconservative foreign policy.

I explained last year during an appearance on MSNBC that Republicans want another ground war, and I know very well that Hillary Clinton will give them their wish.

Of course, IED's and perpetual wars that we send American soldiers to fight don't bother certain Democrats. Sadly, most Democrats don't care about how Hillary Clinton plans to utilize the AUMF, and certainly don't comprehend the ramifications of merging both political parties into one on matters of war and foreign policy.

Also, Hillary Clinton's private server indeed experienced hacking attempts from various nations and Russia-linked hackers.

Bryan Pagliano's immunity will allow him to tell the FBI every detail of Clinton's server, in addition to why she had the server in the first place. The moment Bryan Pagliano was given immunity was the moment Bernie Sanders became the nominee; indictments are most likely around the corner.

However, if Clinton ends up winning the nomination, then I'm writing-in Bernie's name, and no amount of fear-mongering can influence a person who sees the DNC for what it's become; a political machine that values power and party loyalty, without adherence to core ideals or principle. The same could also be said for its prized candidates and many of its supporters.

At least the Republicans are loyal to their insane views, while many Democrats have worked hard to mock the genuine progressives who've rallied behind Bernie Sanders. Have you ever wondered why this dynamic exists?

The lesser evil theory should also apply to the long-term future of the Democratic Party. We only have a two-party system and if Clinton moves the country even further to the right in terms of war, foreign policy, Wall Street and other issues, then we essentially have a one-party system.

Why did Trump contribute money to Clinton's Senate campaigns and Foundation?

Why did Bill Clinton and Donald Trump go golfing and why did the Clintons go to Trump's wedding?

At some point, people like Bill and Hillary Clinton must learn that their duplicity, in terms of overt leaning towards conservative policies (read Michelle Alexander's Nation piece) must come with peaceful political repercussions from a disenchanted base.

In today's world, Trump's overt racism is evil, but Hillary Clinton's reference to black youth as "super predators," her 3 a. m. ad against Obama, Clinton's willingness to accept prison lobbyist donations (after Bill Clinton apologized for mass incarceration) and her racist 2008 campaign isn't evil; it's just politics.

The problem with Hillary supporters is that they have no concept of hypocrisy.

When a political party knows it can side with Bush on Iraq, evolve on gay marriage all the way until 2013, accept prison lobbyist donations after "apologizing" for mass incarceration, and still expect to rally the faithful and obedient masses in November, then American democracy has a problem.

Also, Trump needs Congress to implement his crazy schemes and nothing he's spewed can be done unilaterally, aside from war, and he's less hawkish militarily than Clinton!

I still want to see Clinton's Goldman Sachs transcripts. I still want to see Clinton's 22 Top Secret emails that the State Department won't allow Americans to view, but the Clinton campaign feels is simply over-classification.

Please excuse my loyalty to Bernie Sanders over the political party that's sided with Republicans on numerous topics, when Sanders wants to address structural issues pertaining to Wall Street and foreign policy.

There are those in the media and American politics who would allow Hillary Clinton and the DNC to get away with virtually anything, without the slightest fear of how these actions might affect a general election. Thus, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and every other top Democratic leader can act with impunity, and expect The Daily Banters and Beasts of the world to defend them, regardless of whether or not Democrats morph into moderate Republicans.

I'm never voting for anyone who believed Bush's intelligence on Iraq, because Bernie Sanders used the same intelligence and voted against the invasion.

I'm never voting for a political dynasty that incarcerated more Americans than any presidency in history, because unlike Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders doesn't take prison lobbyist donations and addressed prison reform long before 2016.

I'm never voting for a person I consider a liar. If you consider me a liar for my support of Warren, Webb and O'Malley before Sanders, or even an article on a Republican I wrote simply to protest perpetual wars, then don't vote for me when I run for president.

Yes, Clinton supporters rely on a childish and dangerous form of moral relativism, blissfully ignoring the irony that on each topic, their candidate is worse than the morally relative comparison.

But Sanders supported the F-35!

Ok, but that was a weapons system, and Hillary Clinton is a neocon with a weapons deal scandal, voted for Iraq, and has an ongoing FBI investigation. Checkmate. End of debate.

I'm not voting for a person who won't break up Too Big to Fail Banks, or reinstate Glass Steagall, because Bernie Sanders already wants to implement these safeguards; before the next financial collapse, not after.

I'm not voting for someone linked to an FBI investigation. One Nixon is enough for me, and I don't need to rally behind a person who adores Nixon's closest associate, Henry Kissinger.

As for pragmatism, Clinton or one of her aides could be indicted at any moment before or after the election, so you better vote for Bernie Sanders if you don't want Trump, or you fear impeachment during Clinton's first or second year in office, if she wins the election.

It's important to have principles in life, and I'm never voting for anyone who says "I've always tried" to tell the truth. Therefore, I'm never "falling in line," or pledging allegiance to Hillary or the DNC. I'm an American first, before any party loyalty, and I'm voting my conscience. You vote your conscience, and don't forget to ask why Donald Trump donated money to Clinton's Senate campaigns.

That being said, Bernie Sanders is still the front-runner. Clinton could get FBI and Justice Department indictments at any moment, and future primaries are favorable to Sanders. This is far from over.

[The True Adonis]

I think the Republican Party needs to split in half and the Democratic Party needs to be split in half and two new parties from each should emerge.

Its obvious that neither party represents the people very well.  There are MANY Republicans, like Headhuntersix on this board, who HATE HATE Trump.  TOO MANY who FUCKING LOATHE Hillary criminal Clinton.


Its ridiculous how we have a two party system that dominates.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I think the Republican Party needs to split in half and the Democratic Party needs to be split in half and two new parties from each should emerge.

Its obvious that neither party represents the people very well.  There are MANY Republicans, like Headhuntersix on this board, who HATE HATE Trump.  TOO MANY who FUCKING LOATHE Hillary criminal Clinton.


Its ridiculous how we have a two party system that dominates.

They need to abolish the electoral college as well.  So much wrong with American politics.  Still can't see how a state like North Dakota can have 2 Senators and a state like NY or Cali has only 2 senators. 

[drkaje]

Why should anyone give two fucks about their vote?  They are worthless no matter who they vote for. 

Then why were you bitching about Sanders not getting the black vote?

You're a typical Liberal and should stick with Hillary. Bernie is no different than Hillary (when it comes to minorities) she's just better at the game.

[The True Adonis]

Then why were you bitching about Sanders not getting the black vote?

You're a typical Liberal and should stick with Hillary. Bernie is no different than Hillary (when it comes to minorities) she's just better at the game.

The issue was name recognition for Clinton, nostalgia for Bill and the 90s, and the stupidity of blacks who would never vote for a white man and who see the Clintons as something they never have been.  The blacks only listen to their churches and sham camoonity leaders and so on.  They handed her all of the southern states which gave her a large lead in delegates and are directly responsible for what happened.

Another reason is that Bernie was offering 15 dollars an hour for those who worked 40 hours, true healthcare and tuition free college.  These things actually destroy the blacks because blacks have made their entire existence by playing victims and blaming everyone else for their problems.  Bernie would have effectively made ALL of their arguments invalid.  Their entire power structure-leaders among them-capitalize off of victim status and would no longer have any power as a result and would have crumbled and been obliterated.  They destroy EVERYTHING including themselves so just a few of them can be elevated and the cycle continues.  They are probably the dumbest people of the entire American electorate.

Now if the parties were to split to four parties-2 on democratic side, 2 on the republican, we would not have the problem of minorities deciding for the rest of the country who the presidential candidate should be.  Bernie won the white vote, young vote, working class vote.  He lost the Minority vote by HUGE numbers and the oldest of the old people vote.  Those two minorities were enough to decide that you were going to get Hilary Clinton.

Other scenarios that could happen-Bernie wins the rest of the states-minorities are done voting now-and stops Clinton from clinching (which is mathematically possible) and the race goes to convention.  By then an indictment could have happened-of course she will not acknowledge it (she is that sick in the head with a lust for power), but it will damage her enough for Bernie to be the nominee.

The above is not likely but possible.

[drkaje]

The issue was name recognition for Clinton, nostalgia for Bill and the 90s, and the stupidity of blacks who would never vote for a white man and who see the Clintons as something they never have been.  The blacks only listen to their churches and sham camoonity leaders and so on.  They handed her all of the southern states which gave her a large lead in delegates and are directly responsible for what happened.

Another reason is that Bernie was offering 15 dollars an hour for those who worked 40 hours, true healthcare and tuition free college.  These things actually destroy the blacks because blacks have made their entire existence by playing victims and blaming everyone else for their problems.  Bernie would have effectively made ALL of their arguments invalid.  Their entire power structure-leaders among them-capitalize off of victim status and would no longer have any power as a result and would have crumbled and been obliterated.  They destroy EVERYTHING including themselves so just a few of them can be elevated and the cycle continues.  They are probably the dumbest people of the entire American electorate.

Now if the parties were to split to four parties-2 on democratic side, 2 on the republican, we would not have the problem of minorities deciding for the rest of the country who the presidential candidate should be.  Bernie won the white vote, young vote, working class vote.  He lost the Minority vote by HUGE numbers and the oldest of the old people vote.  Those two minorities were enough to decide that you were going to get Hilary Clinton.

Other scenarios that could happen-Bernie wins the rest of the states-minorities are done voting now-and stops Clinton from clinching (which is mathematically possible) and the race goes to convention.  By then an indictment could have happened-of course she will not acknowledge it (she is that sick in the head with a lust for power), but it will damage her enough for Bernie to be the nominee.

The above is not likely but possible.

They all lust for power. Politics is a game and she's a better player.

TBH, I underestimated Trump. I never thought a billionaire would be able to convince hoards of poor (and otherwise disenfranchised Americans) that he didn't represent the establishment. I just figured people couldn't possibly be that gullible and that we'd see legitimate candidates after he was done playing.

In terms of Sanders' agenda: No thank you. The welfare state has done more than enough harm to the Americans.

[The True Adonis]

They all lust for power. Politics is a game and she's a better player.

TBH, I underestimated Trump. I never thought a billionaire would be able to convince hoards of poor (and otherwise disenfranchised Americans) that he didn't represent the establishment. I just figured people couldn't possibly be that gullible and that we'd see legitimate candidates after he was done playing.

In terms of Sanders' agenda: No thank you. The welfare state has done more than enough harm to the Americans.

Sanders doesn't lust for power.  He decided to run for President after eating breakfast at Denny's with his wife and a veteran came up to thank him and hugged him for being a strong advocate for military veterans and for getting them the healthcare they deserve.  True story.

[drkaje]

Sanders doesn't lust for power.  He decided to run for President after eating breakfast at Denny's with his wife and a veteran came up to thank him and hugged him for being a strong advocate for military veterans and for getting them the healthcare they deserve.  True story.

Do you also believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and The Great Pumpkin?

[Voice of Doom]

Bernie was never supposed to win.  He was tapped to run when it was apparent that Clinton couldn't generate enthusiasm with the left's base.  It's the same reason Trump was tapped.  Bernie will make a good appearance and then give his support (young people + unions) to Hillary.  He'll "have no choice" because "while he disagrees with her on many issues Trump is far worse and must be defeated".

It's the same shit every election...but by all means...get real enthused about the candidates...it makes a "real" difference!

 

[SOMEPARTS]

Sanders doesn't lust for power.  He decided to run for President after eating breakfast at Denny's with his wife and a veteran came up to thank him and hugged him for being a strong advocate for military veterans and for getting them the healthcare they deserve.  True story.

This is like listening to the North Korean information ministry claim that Kim Jong Il only shot hole-in-ones on the golf course.

[jude2]

At least the democrats allow blacks to vote unlike the republican party that has put in numerous voter ID laws that make it harder and harder for them to vote.

Are you kidding me?  Almost everything we do needs some type of ID.  So why should people be able to vote without showing an ID? How do we know if that is really them. Everyone has some type to ID.

[drkaje]

Are you kidding me?  Almost everything we do needs some type of ID.  So why should people be able to vote without showing an ID? How do we know if that is really them. Everyone has some type to ID.

It's a vast right wing conspiracy.

[TuHolmes]

Are you kidding me?  Almost everything we do needs some type of ID.  So why should people be able to vote without showing an ID? How do we know if that is really them. Everyone has some type to ID.

Because nowhere under Federal law is there a requirement to have any sort of photo ID.

If I don't drive, what ID do I need?

Requiring "ID" is fascist as hell.