France's PM says "Europe has turned a blind eye to terror"

[phreak]

Now he realized? I feel really safe knowing the authorities in Europe are having this incredible foresight 

He knew for years already. But actually saying out loud would have been political suicide even 5 years ago. Good for him as one of the first western european leaders to come out and say it openly.

[Griffith]

'America' started all these problems with their illegal invasion of Iraq and then pulling their troops out of Iraq creating a power vacuum.

The secondary culprits are Britain and France who orchestrated the ousting of Gaddafi.

America and Britain are to blame for this mess.

Causing chaos around the world while their banks launch speculative attacks on weaker currencies to profit off them.

[Conker]

'America' started all these problems with their illegal invasion of Iraq and then pulling their troops out of Iraq creating a power vacuum.

The secondary culprits are Britain and France who orchestrated the ousting of Gaddafi.

America and Britain are to blame for this mess.

Causing chaos around the world while their banks launch speculative attacks on weaker currencies to profit off them.

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although i think the US probably instigated the bombing of libya too, they just wanted someone else to take the lead so publicly it didn't look like it's always america.

[Nails]

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[drkaje]

'America' started all these problems with their illegal invasion of Iraq and then pulling their troops out of Iraq creating a power vacuum.

The secondary culprits are Britain and France who orchestrated the ousting of Gaddafi.

America and Britain are to blame for this mess.

Causing chaos around the world while their banks launch speculative attacks on weaker currencies to profit off them.

The Middle East mess started well before Iraq.

[Conker]

The Middle East mess started well before Iraq.

did it hell, well not like the mess we have now. you now have civil war in iraq, syria and libya. previously all relatively secular and stable countries, now all failed states and breeding grounds for western hating terrorists.

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

That's because anyone with an unbiased, outside perspective can see quite clearly that the English should pack up their imperial bullshit and fuck off home.  Get the hell off their island.  Go back to your own island, you cunts.  Good Friday.    Peace at what cost?  Of course there's peace.  You pussy Irish gave away the north of your country.

You are a total fucking arsehole. The vast majority of people of Northern Ireland are the most staunch, loyal, Royalist, proud members of the United Kingdome you can imagine and have been for 500 years.  They are more British than the Welsh, English and Scottish. These people trace their roots back to the creation of the Kingdom of Ireland in 1542.  By your logic the Americans should leave North America and give the land back to the red Indians.

I'm just glad the troubles are mainly over and the Catholics of the Republic of Ireland and Protestant British of Northern Ireland share the Island in relative peace these days.

[Griffith]

The Middle East mess started well before Iraq.

A small problem limited to parts of the region.

Now it's completely global and Europe is having to deal with the brunt of it.

The cause is America, an illegal war in Iraq, then pulling out troops and leading to destablisation of the entire region and escalation in Syria.

If it was any other country they would have sanctions against them or would have been bombed to shit for going against the UN.

America broke international law in invading Irag and destablised peace on the entire planet.

[Tapeworm]

You are a total fucking arsehole. The vast majority of people of Northern Ireland are the most staunch, loyal, Royalist, proud members of the United Kingdome you can imagine and have been for 500 years.  They are more British than the Welsh, English and Scottish. These people trace their roots back to the creation of the Kingdom of Ireland in 1542.  By your logic the Americans should leave North America and give the land back to the red Indians.

I'm just glad the troubles are mainly over and the Catholics of the Republic of Ireland and Protestant British of Northern Ireland share the Island in relative peace these days.

Lol, shots fired!  You're a Scot ffs.  How can you be pro-English?  Medizer.  Collaborator.  Turncoat.  Mods, please change this person's screen name to BIG AL KECHNIE.


Well that oughta do it.

[BigRo]

The Protestant Scots are largely responsible for keeping northern Ireland in the UK actually, they were encouraged to replant so as to build up large numbers loyal to the crown.

It is far from a vast majority that want to stay under British rule but it is enough at the moment, probably better than being a EU lapdog like the Irish government at the moment anyway.

Here is an example of the highly evolved culture of the british fleg lovers;

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

Lol, shots fired!  You're a Scot ffs.  How can you be pro-English?  Medizer.  Collaborator.  Turncoat.  Mods, please change this person's screen name to BIG AL KECHNIE.


Well that oughta do it.

Not pro English.  Pro British. The Island is Great Britain, comprising Wales, England and Scotland. It comes down to religion.  The Northern Irish, Scots and some English are basically protestant and do not take to being part of the Roman Catholic church. 1690 is the year remembered as the year Catholicism was defeated under the glorious King William of Orange at the battle of the Boyne.  

The Union flag which dates back to 1801 was the coming together of the crosses of St George of England, St Andrew of Scotland and St Patrick of Ireland.

Remember that the first King of the unified Great Britain was James 6th of Scotland who became the King of England and the King of Ireland in 1603.

To be honest, it seems that the protestants of Scotland and Northern Ireland are the last staunch supporters of the Queen and Great Britain. The English don't seem to be too pro Britain these days as England is full of muslims and catholics.

[Tapeworm]

Again, from an outside perspective - non-British, non-Irish, non-Catholic, non-Protestant - it looked like soldiers, who came from somewhere else, stringing out barbed wire across the northern part of Ireland and holding a gunpoint vote.

Someone actually interested in peace would have closed up shop and gone home, then invited the Irish to vote about whether or not to invite them back.  Since they're so confident that's what the Irish really want, after all.  That'd be what someone more interested in peace than in whitewashing a continued occupation would have done, no?

[Donny]

Again, from an outside perspective - non-British, non-Irish, non-Catholic, non-Protestant - it looked like soldiers, who came from somewhere else, stringing out barbed wire across the northern part of Ireland and holding a gunpoint vote.

Someone actually interested in peace would have closed up shop and gone home, then invited the Irish to vote about whether or not to invite them back.  Since they're so confident that's what the Irish really want, after all.  That'd be what someone more interested in peace than in whitewashing a continued occupation would have done, no?

I take it you have walked the walk over there? Gun point vote what are you talking about?   

[Griffith]

Not pro English.  Pro British. The Island is Great Britain, comprising Wales, England and Scotland. It comes down to religion.  The Northern Irish, Scots and some English are basically protestant and do not take to being part of the Roman Catholic church. 1690 is the year remembered as the year Catholicism was defeated under the glorious King William of Orange at the battle of the Boyne.  

The Union flag which dates back to 1801 was the coming together of the crosses of St George of England, St Andrew of Scotland and St Patrick of Ireland.

Remember that the first King of the unified Great Britain was James 6th of Scotland who became the King of England and the King of Ireland in 1603.

To be honest, it seems that the protestants of Scotland and Northern Ireland are the last staunch supporters of the Queen and Great Britain. The English don't seem to be too pro Britain these days as England is full of muslims and catholics.

A great history, but now Britain has been steadily in decline since World War II and the trend seems to be continuing.

Without their forex and banking in London, they would have nothing. That's all they have left.

As it is, they are barely holding-on as a second-tier power.

[Donny]

The most people who mouth off and are radical about N Ireland are people who were never there as a civilian or Soldier. Look at the Irish on here, they say their opinion but not in an aggressive way. There are always two sides to any story. Mine is of course from a Soldiers view point having been there.

[Tapeworm]

The most people who mouth off and are radical about N Ireland are people who were never there as a civilian or Soldier. Look at the Irish on here, they say their opinion but not in an aggressive way. There are always two sides to any story. Mine is of course from a Soldiers view point having been there.

Exactly.  If they wanted you there you wouldn't have needed the gun.  You could have hopped off the bus in a Hawaiian print shirt.

[Donny]

Exactly.  If they wanted you there you wouldn't have needed the gun.  You could have hopped off the bus in a Hawaiian print shirt.

so tell us about your experience there. I am all ears.

[Tapeworm]

I take it you have walked the walk over there? Gun point vote what are you talking about?   

The other Scot made reference to the Good Friday Farce.  I'm saying that an invitation to come to dinner is more genuine when the person you're inviting isn't already sitting at the table, holding a gun, promising there's going to be more trouble if a vote to keep him around doesn't go his way.

so tell us about your experience there. I am all ears.

It's not one of those 'you don't know, you weren't there' things.  Anyone with a TV set saw it.  The Brits clearly used military force to stay somewhere they weren't wanted.   

Lets not pretend like it was a complicated situation.  The only thing that made it complicated was the foreign army that wouldn't leave.  If you had, any remaining issues would have been Irish issues, which is what they are after all.

[Donny]

The other Scot made reference to the Good Friday Farce.  I'm saying that an invitation to come to dinner is more genuine when the person you're inviting isn't already sitting at the table, holding a gun, promising there's going to be more trouble if a vote to keep him around doesn't go his way.



It's not one of those 'you don't know, you weren't there' things.  Anyone with a TV set saw it.  The Brits clearly used military force to stay somewhere they weren't wanted.   

Lets not pretend like it was a complicated situation.  The only thing that made it complicated was the foreign army that wouldn't leave.  If you had, any remaining issues would have been Irish issues, which is what they are after all.

OK so you were never there but... are an armchair expert.

[Tapeworm]

OK so you were never there but... are an armchair expert.

Do you have any argument to make in favor of the occupation?  Based on your experiences there and whatnot?

I don't know if the other guy served there but he at least tried with that historical/religious malarky he typed up.  I can respect that.  Come on, man.  Dig deep.

[Donny]

Do you have any argument to make in favor of the occupation?  Based on your experiences there and whatnot?

I don't know if the other guy served there but he at least tried with that historical/religious malarky he typed up.  I can respect that.  Come on, man.  Dig deep.

Not an occupation. You see it from the perspective of your armchair. The British army was sent in to assist in peace keeping. There were a lot of people loyal to the crown wanted us there. If we were not there, there would have been a lot more Blood shed. "The other Guy" did serve yes so he does know more than you.

[Tapeworm]

Maybe there wouldn't have been any bloodshed.  You don't know.  Because your weren't not there.  Ever. 

The peacekeeping thing doesn't wash.  The whole world gets behind peacekeeping and it's a multinational effort.  That's where it gets legitimacy.  There was no UN effort.  In fact, the Brits actually rejected an Irish request for a UN peacekeeping force after the Brits kept shooting Irish people.  Did the Brits say "No, it's our peacekeeping mission, we got it!"  Nope.  They said, "It's a domestic thing, not a peacekeeping thing" and rejected the Irish request to bring in the UN.

I have no doubt they told you it was a peacekeeping mission.  I hope you personally did some good.

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

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Do you have any argument to make in favor of the occupation?  Based on your experiences there and whatnot?

I don't know if the other guy served there but he at least tried with that historical/religious malarky he typed up.  I can respect that.  Come on, man.  Dig deep.
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I was in the RAF but didn't serve in NI.

Believe it or not the soldiers were originally sent to protect the persecuted Catholics who lived in the British part of the Island. If you had asked the population of NI back in 1970 you would have found 80% would have voted to keep NI part of the United Kingdom.

[Donny]

Maybe there wouldn't have been any bloodshed.  You don't know.  Because your weren't not there.  Ever. 

The peacekeeping thing doesn't wash.  The whole world gets behind peacekeeping and it's a multinational effort.  That's where it gets legitimacy.  There was no UN effort.  In fact, the Brits actually rejected an Irish request for a UN peacekeeping force after the Brits kept shooting Irish people.  Did the Brits say "No, it's our peacekeeping mission, we got it!"  Nope.  They said, "It's a domestic thing, not a peacekeeping thing" and rejected the Irish request to bring in the UN.

I have no doubt they told you it was a peacekeeping mission.  I hope you personally did some good.

I am sorry but you donīt know what you are talking about. No bloodshed are you crazy? I think as you wrote "the other Guy" is trying to Educate you. I suggest you read about it and the History. Then i suggest you go to N Ireland and speak to both Catholics and Prodistants. Then we will discuss it. Yes i was there in 1987. Belfast, Londonderry,Long kesh(H Blocks) and rural areas.

[Tapeworm]

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Do you have any argument to make in favor of the occupation?  Based on your experiences there and whatnot?

I don't know if the other guy served there but he at least tried with that historical/religious malarky he typed up.  I can respect that.  Come on, man.  Dig deep.


I was in the RAF but didn't serve in NI.

Believe it or not the soldiers were originally sent to protect the persecuted Catholics who lived in the British part of the Island. If you had asked the population of NI back in 1970 you would have found 80% would have voted to keep NI part of the United Kingdom.

That was a long time ago, and I don't think the young ones give a damn about religion anymore.  Pretty much the first time in history.  The Brits have been fighting geography since fat Henry, so it's been a good run through all those years when the Crown had some clout, but they never managed to get it all.  You got to get it all, like the Yanks from the Injuns, or you just get this ongoing drama.  I reckon sooner or later the place will just revert to it's natural borders.