Trump Spills Beans

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"An aide to Donald Trump on Friday fulfilled the businessman's threat to "spill the beans" on Republican presidential rival Ted Cruz's wife, Heidi.

Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pierson rattled off a list of attacks three days after Trump first made the threat.

"Spilling the beans is quite simple when it comes to Heidi Cruz," Pierson said in an interview with MSNBC's Steve Kornacki.
"She is a Bush operative; she worked for the architect of NAFTA, which has killed millions of jobs in this country; she was a member on the Council on Foreign Relations who — in Sen. Cruz's own words, called a nest of snakes that seeks to undermine national sovereignty; and she's been working for Goldman Sachs, the same global bank that Ted Cruz left off of his financial disclosure," Pierson said.

"Her entire career has been spent working against everything Ted Cruz says that he stands for," she added."




Finally the real truth about Ted Cruz being a fake outsider and true blue neocon Bushy. Nobody willing to report on these issues. Shameful press we have.

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The horror. 

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Lame.

A "neo-con" Bushy? He worked for the Bush campaign for 1 year or so and in the FTC for 2 years.

Met his wife in 2000 and married her in 2001...so it's totally plausible that they both schemed together to pass NAFTA and orchestrate all the globalist Neocon wars with the CFR...

If that's the best Trump has got.....it ain't much.

Oh brother.

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Lame.

A "neo-con" Bushy? He worked for the Bush campaign for 1 year or so and in the FTC for 2 years.

Met his wife in 2000 and married her in 2001...so it's totally plausible that they both schemed together to pass NAFTA and orchestrate all the globalist Neocon wars with the CFR...

If that's the best Trump has got.....it ain't much.

Oh brother.

That would be the same Don who claimed he would out Obama's fake Hawaii birth. 

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I don't like Cruz...never have and won't try to pretend I have. There's something so self righteous about him that just stinks of this sort of thing.

He's a hypocrite trying to take the high ground. Makes you a target for this sort of thing.

That aside...are you saying everything there is false info then? It's not. It's just that nobody is reporting it. I prefer to be informed and makes decisions based on what I see.

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I don't like Cruz...never have and won't try to pretend I have. There's something so self righteous about him that just stinks of this sort of thing.

He's a hypocrite trying to take the high ground. Makes you a target for this sort of thing.

That aside...are you saying everything there is false info then? It's not. It's just that nobody is reporting it. I prefer to be informed and makes decisions based on what I see.

And what do you "see," exactly?

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Neil Bush is one of Ted's campaign finance guys. Jeb endorses Cruz. Goldman Sachs loaned him money and his wife used to work there until it was clear that didn't jive with the checks his mouth was writing. As an intangible....I just don't believe a word he says. On paper he looks good. When he opens that yapper....geesh. Oh, and he's from Canada.

I'll give you the opportunity to list 5 positive things about Cruz that would sway somebody to vote for him. None of them can be as general as "he believes in the constitution" or "he's the best choice left".

Let's hear it.

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Neil Bush is one of Ted's campaign finance guys. Jeb endorses Cruz. Goldman Sachs loaned him money and his wife used to work there until it was clear that didn't jive with the checks his mouth was writing. As an intangible....I just don't believe a word he says. On paper he looks good. When he opens that yapper....geesh. Oh, and he's from Canada.

I'll give you the opportunity to list 5 positive things about Cruz that would sway somebody to vote for him. None of them can be as general as "he believes in the constitution" or "he's the best choice left".

Let's hear it.

Why five?  In any event:

1.  He is incredibly smart and is the smartest candidate left in the race. 

2.  He had a remarkably successful career before the U.S. Senate. 

3.  He is not afraid to challenge the system, which is partly why people in DC don't like him. 

4.  He was absolutely right about Obamacare, including trying to delay its implementation. 

5.  He understands how important our national security is, and will not be running around kissing the rear end of leaders all over the planet.  I think he'll lead from the front, rather than behind, like our current president.

6.  He wants to abolish the IRS and have a flat tax.  Actually, this should be no. 1.   

7.  He understands how important it is to secure our borders and fight illegal immigration.   

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Why five?  In any event:

1.  He is incredibly smart and is the smartest candidate left in the race. 

2.  He had a remarkably successful career before the U.S. Senate. 

3.  He is not afraid to challenge the system, which is partly why people in DC don't like him. 

4.  He was absolutely right about Obamacare, including trying to delay its implementation. 

5.  He understands how important our national security is, and will not be running around kissing the rear end of leaders all over the planet.  I think he'll lead from the front, rather than behind, like our current president.

6.  He wants to abolish the IRS and have a flat tax.  Actually, this should be no. 1.   

7.  He understands how important it is to secure our borders and fight illegal immigration.   

8. Called Mitch McConnell a liar on the floor of the fuckin' Senate.

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1 ) Why can't he intelligently defend himself then?

2 ) Representing big pharma and foreign companies when he was in private practice. Otherwise totally involved in the GOP machine during the W. Bush years.

3 ) See above. Totally involved in the status quo and just decided to market himself as an outsider(govt shutdown) when he decided to run.

4 ) The entire GOP was right about that. Plus every conservative radio host. Plus a majority of citizenry.

5 ) You think? He was a W. Bush adviser on domestic policy not foreign policy. How did that work out? Oh yeah, they lost huge on gay marriage, pot and abortion issues.

6 ) Hell will freeze over and the USA would become balkanized before that happens. Not to mention about 3 million jobs go "poof" into thin air. That stance is such a lie. Can't get there from here without a tax revolt from the population.

7 ) Okay better than Rubio and Kasich anyway...

8 ) Again I'm not giving a cookie out for parroting the obvious.

 

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Weak.

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I'll accept that one word response as your admission of defeat here on all points.

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Nah. 

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Cruz is not well-liked by most voters or his own party and can't win other than to fix the GOP primary and eventually the election. Jeb's backing was a consolation prize and only happened because Rubio was so horrible. ...and all that was before this cheating thing, which undermines the only reason that he's where he is.....that psuedo pastor higher-ground thing he tries to play up to secure the evangelicals.

There's a dose of reality for you as it relates to this strong candidate you back.

Yes, on paper he came in looking like the guy that would grab the tea party people and give the party some cred but his associations have been laid bare and that's gone now.

At least Trump is liked by voters. The GOP will eventually cave to that like they've caved to Obammer the past 8 years. If not they will hand the primary to Cruz or Kasich even and lose huge. They should have won this thing easily. Look at how weak the Dem side is. It's disgusting.

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Cruz is not well-liked by most voters or his own party and can't win other than to fix the GOP primary and eventually the election. Jeb's backing was a consolation prize and only happened because Rubio was so horrible. ...and all that was before this cheating thing, which undermines the only reason that he's where he is.....that psuedo pastor higher-ground thing he tries to play up to secure the evangelicals.

There's a dose of reality for you as it relates to this strong candidate you back.

Yes, on paper he came in looking like the guy that would grab the tea party people and give the party some cred but his associations have been laid bare and that's gone now.

At least Trump is liked by voters. The GOP will eventually cave to that like they've caved to Obammer the past 8 years. If not they will hand the primary to Cruz or Kasich even and lose huge. They should have won this thing easily. Look at how weak the Dem side is. It's disgusting.

See my point no. 3 about people in DC not liking Cruz.  That's pretty obvious.  Also, if there are two things a reasonable person cannot dismiss out of hand, they are his intelligence and accomplishments.  Not really worth debating.     

People like Trump?  Are you kidding?  He has a group of loyal supporters, but he also has the highest negative numbers in recorded history for a presidential candidate.  The overwhelming majority of Republican voters have voted for someone other than Trump so far.  He is incredibly polarizing. 

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RE: Trump

Yes, somebody likes him. His group of loyal supporters happen to be the majority for a single GOP candidate. A fact that seems lost here.

Also, see voter turnout vs last time and note the delegate count.


If Trump is a Clinton plant then we have a Dem president, it's that simple. GOP cannot win by denying Trump at the convention, but they can let another 4 years go by in order to protect what little power they have and "regroup". They've been regrouping so long there are first time voters almost out of their 20s that have no idea why they would vote for them. They have no reason to vote for Cruz.

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RE: Trump

Yes, somebody likes him. His group of loyal supporters happen to be the majority for a single GOP candidate. A fact that seems lost here.

Also, see voter turnout vs last time and note the delegate count.


If Trump is a Clinton plant then we have a Dem president, it's that simple. GOP cannot win by denying Trump at the convention, but they can let another 4 years go by in order to protect what little power they have and "regroup". They've been regrouping so long there are first time voters almost out of their 20s that have no idea why they would vote for them. They have no reason to vote for Cruz.

A large percentage of the anti-Trump vote will not vote for him if he is the nominee.  The fact that is really lost here and with the MSM is that the vast majority of voters do not want Trump.  He has yet to even crack 50 percent in any primary/caucus.  That increased voter turnout has not resulted in some kind of majority groundswell for Trump.  This is crazy.  Republicans would be crazy to nominate that dude.

And speaking of crazy, you are calling Trump a Clinton plant?     

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Being able to think deeply and all around an issue does not make one crazy. I prefer eccentric anyway, thanks.

The argument against Trump's vote numbers obviously would apply to those with lesser numbers as well. How are Cruz' negatives going to look in a few weeks if there is any truth to the rumors?

So as I say, it puts the GOP in the position of a weak candidate of their choice or not of their choice. I hope Trump is for real....a highly flawed real rich guy trying to be a statesman that the establishment can't get rid of using the usual tricks. Problem is it looks a lot like the movie Bullworth.

As for the plant thing. My opinion is the ONLY way that a Dem finds their way into office after the last 8 years is to split the vote ala Perot.

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Being able to think deeply and all around an issue does not make one crazy. I prefer eccentric anyway, thanks.

The argument against Trump's vote numbers obviously would apply to those with lesser numbers as well. How are Cruz' negatives going to look in a few weeks if there is any truth to the rumors?

So as I say, it puts the GOP in the position of a weak candidate of their choice or not of their choice. I hope Trump is for real....a highly flawed real rich guy trying to be a statesman that the establishment can't get rid of using the usual tricks. Problem is it looks a lot like the movie Bullworth.

As for the plant thing. My opinion is the ONLY way that a Dem finds their way into office after the last 8 years is to split the vote ala Perot.

Seriously calling Trump some kind of plant by the Clintons isn't what I'd call deep thinking.  Paranoid maybe.  Wait, are you a 9/11 Troofer? 

The argument against Trump's vote numbers are a little different when it comes to other candidates for two reasons:  (1) the other candidates are not being declared some kind of runaway winner, with allegations that the party will crumble if Trump is not the nominee, etc. and (2) the overwhelming votes for the field (12+ million vs. 7+ million for Trump) include a significant number of anti-Trump votes. 

This concern about a revolt or "riots" is bass-awards.  It's the field who will bolt if Trump is the nominee.  That should be a far greater concern to Republicans than Trump's supporters. 

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So people who don't think what you think are less intelligent. Got it. Keep in mind I'm not fixated on the promise of one candidate. I did that sort of thing in the 90s, haha.

You have a problem admitting Trump is your party's leading candidate. He is for a reason. It's the weakness of the rest of the field. The media is not making Trump out to be the runaway winner so much as he is actually winning. He IS winning. Say it three times out loud. He borrowed things that worked from Newt and Obama and is making it work.

The riot thing is a joke, but you are right to be concerned about Trump voters - because the new blood he brings will drain back out of the party if they deny him the nomination. In that case another Romney/McCain for people to hold their nose and vote for(Ryan)....and they lose soundly to a crook or a socialist. Nothing that Cruz has done has motivated me to even think of voting for him. If it is his unlikable nature in that he is SO smart and SO qualified that he glows like a smug pastor asshole then so be it. Plenty of great candidates were bad at the art of getting votes. I just don't think he has the IT factor to win. Whether or not that reflects on the intelligence of the average voter doesn't matter if you actually believe that votes count towards who wins.

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So people who don't think what you think are less intelligent. Got it. Keep in mind I'm not fixated on the promise of one candidate. I did that sort of thing in the 90s, haha.

You have a problem admitting Trump is your party's leading candidate. He is for a reason. It's the weakness of the rest of the field. The media is not making Trump out to be the runaway winner so much as he is actually winning. He IS winning. Say it three times out loud. He borrowed things that worked from Newt and Obama and is making it work.

The riot thing is a joke, but you are right to be concerned about Trump voters - because the new blood he brings will drain back out of the party if they deny him the nomination. In that case another Romney/McCain for people to hold their nose and vote for(Ryan)....and they lose soundly to a crook or a socialist. Nothing that Cruz has done has motivated me to even think of voting for him. If it is his unlikable nature in that he is SO smart and SO qualified that he glows like a smug pastor asshole then so be it. Plenty of great candidates were bad at the art of getting votes. I just don't think he has the IT factor to win. Whether or not that reflects on the intelligence of the average voter doesn't matter if you actually believe that votes count towards who wins.

Sounds like you're on Team Trump!  I may be joining you soon out of necessity, but we'll see.

Sorry, DE, but there are some very good reasons to suspect Trump is in this for some other purpose than what he says.

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So people who don't think what you think are less intelligent. Got it. Keep in mind I'm not fixated on the promise of one candidate. I did that sort of thing in the 90s, haha.

You have a problem admitting Trump is your party's leading candidate. He is for a reason. It's the weakness of the rest of the field. The media is not making Trump out to be the runaway winner so much as he is actually winning. He IS winning. Say it three times out loud. He borrowed things that worked from Newt and Obama and is making it work.

The riot thing is a joke, but you are right to be concerned about Trump voters - because the new blood he brings will drain back out of the party if they deny him the nomination. In that case another Romney/McCain for people to hold their nose and vote for(Ryan)....and they lose soundly to a crook or a socialist. Nothing that Cruz has done has motivated me to even think of voting for him. If it is his unlikable nature in that he is SO smart and SO qualified that he glows like a smug pastor asshole then so be it. Plenty of great candidates were bad at the art of getting votes. I just don't think he has the IT factor to win. Whether or not that reflects on the intelligence of the average voter doesn't matter if you actually believe that votes count towards who wins.

I have never said people who disagree with me are less intelligent.  In fact, I have said countless times on this board that people are not dumb simply because they have a different viewpoint. 

But some viewpoints are retarded, like 9/11 Troofers.  Are you one of those?

I don't have a problem admitting anything about Trump.  The numbers are what they are.  He has a narrow delegate lead and the vast majority of voters have chosen someone other than Trump. 

And yes the media has propped up Trump.  I read the other day that he has gotten over a billion in free media coverage.  He's the only candidate who was allowed to call in to multiple shows repeatedly.  The MSM hangs on his every word.  They have tried to create a perception that he is who Republican voters want and that his movement is bigger than it really is.  The man is an embarrassment.  He would be worse than Obama IMO. 

We are on track for a contested convention and Trump will, more likely than not, lose at a contested convention. 

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I doubt World Trade 7 fell on it's own. There's just no science to support steel burning in general, but the last time I looked at any of that stuff was at least 10 years ago.

Generally any cynical view about govt+big money finds a good reason for having one I'd say.

I like to think all around things and really don't care what label you might put on that. You're buying in on Cruz after all, so your opinion is ehhh....yeah.

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I doubt World Trade 7 fell on it's own. There's just no science to support steel burning in general, but the last time I looked at any of that stuff was at least 10 years ago.

Generally any cynical view about govt+big money finds a good reason for having one I'd say.

I like to think all around things and really don't care what label you might put on that. You're buying in on Cruz after all, so your opinion is ehhh....yeah.

Oh good grief.  I wish you 9/11 Troofers would just say who you are up front so I know what I'm dealing with. 

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Haha. Yeah man, I knew you'd be into that. 

Once again making sweeping generalizations about people to deal with the world in a black and white way.

Somehow I get the feeling you were stomping around saying "you're either with us or against us" with ol' G Dub Bush circa 2003-4.