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Ben Stein quote of the week
« on: March 30, 2016, 08:55:54 AM »
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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2016, 09:44:30 AM »
No ID to vote....that's the single biggest WTF issue of the election season.
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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2016, 09:56:43 AM »
I like it.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2016, 01:54:52 PM »
I assume by non-citizens he is referring to illegal immigrants

where do those who "refuse or are unable to prove they are citizens" legally get free insurance ?

Since Ben used the word "insurance" I assume he's referring to actual insurance and not emergency medical treatment


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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2016, 01:59:03 PM »
I assume by non-citizens he is referring to illegal immigrants

where do those who "refuse or are unable to prove they are citizens" legally get free insurance ?

Since Ben used the word "insurance" I assume he's referring to actual insurance and not emergency medical treatment



that would be in the land of fruits and nuts....cali

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2016, 02:01:29 PM »

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2016, 02:21:01 PM »
Never seen such a bunch of ass backwards people of that on the left. It's one of the worlds anomalies...lol.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2016, 02:28:00 PM »
that would be in the land of fruits and nuts....cali

can you be more specific

what is this insurance program ?

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2016, 02:48:05 PM »
No ID to vote....that's the single biggest WTF issue of the election season.

That's a big WTF, but there are other issues with our election process that are just as big.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2016, 03:39:48 PM »
That's a big WTF, but there are other issues with our election process that are just as big.

a recent study of voter impersonation fraud found 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast.

the US has a long history people in power (read non-poor whites) doing everything they can to prevent undesirables (read poor and non-whites) from voting.  The current round of Voter ID laws is just a continuation of that.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2016, 04:49:37 PM »
a recent study of voter impersonation fraud found 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast.

Please link to said study; I'm interested in reading it. That said, it could be zero cases of voter impersonation fraud for all I care. The ability to cast a vote without first proving your identity is an issue. Is it the biggest issue? No - there are others that are bigger - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't address this issue if we can.


the US has a long history people in power (read non-poor whites) doing everything they can to prevent undesirables (read poor and non-whites) from voting.  The current round of Voter ID laws is just a continuation of that.

Sure, there were such cases in the past, but let's not lose our head here and pretend that a law requiring voters identify themselves is akin to rekindling the Jim Crow laws of a bygone era.

Let's look at this like reasonable people. The question is how do voter ID laws prevent anyone from voting? The only "problems" I see are:

  • That some states may refuse to issue identity cards to those who don't have a permanent address and although that should be fixed (because identity and place of residence are orthogonal) it's not really even an issue because the U.S. Government will gladly issue you a valid ID without an address: it's called a passport.
  • 2. That some people genuinely can't afford the $15 it costs to get an ID ($85 for a passport). Most states have exemptions, allowing indigent people to get a free ID if they will simply state that they wish to use it for purposes of voting, that won't fly if you are trying to get a passport.

Both of these issues can be solved - possibly trivially - and I doubt that either of those significantly disenfranchise voters today.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 05:00:00 PM »
a recent study of voter impersonation fraud found 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast.

the US has a long history people in power (read non-poor whites) doing everything they can to prevent undesirables (read poor and non-whites) from voting.  The current round of Voter ID laws is just a continuation of that.

Don't forget those same politicians illegally vote for others in crongress when they aren't there.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2016, 05:07:05 PM »
a recent study of voter impersonation fraud found 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast.

the US has a long history people in power (read non-poor whites) doing everything they can to prevent undesirables (read poor and non-whites) from voting.  The current round of Voter ID laws is just a continuation of that.

You know what they say about lies and statistics. 

There is the study you referenced:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Then there is one with a much less rosier picture:  http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/10/27/voter-fraud-study-n1909814

Both articles are from 2014.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2016, 05:33:15 PM »
Yeah, real funny when my tax lady asks me for proof of insurance. ::)
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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2016, 09:44:40 PM »
Never seen such a bunch of ass backwards people of that on the left. It's one of the worlds anomalies...lol.

what does this say about the competence of the people on the RIGHT?

The left is stupid, clueless, worthless, lazy... but they keep winning presidential elections and it'll be either dem trump, or dem hilary, in 2016.

If the left is that stupid... and they keep defeating the repubs... well, there's Stupid, there's dems, there's 50 feet of crap, and then there's the republican party.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2016, 09:55:09 PM »
what does this say about the competence of the people on the RIGHT?

The left is stupid, clueless, worthless, lazy... but they keep winning presidential elections and it'll be either dem trump, or dem hilary, in 2016.

If the left is that stupid... and they keep defeating the repubs... well, there's Stupid, there's dems, there's 50 feet of crap, and then there's the republican party.

What does winning an election have anything to do with on the job competence? We've gone over this a million times and with a million liberal policies that have have failed. What does that say about YOUR party?

So who are you supporting? Killary or Whack job Sanders?

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2016, 10:07:07 PM »
What does winning an election have anything to do with on the job competence? We've gone over this a million times and with a million liberal policies that have have failed. What does that say about YOUR party?

So who are you supporting? Killary or Whack job Sanders?

Part of the job of president is winning the job (and preventing the other team from getting the white house)

Top salesmen make sales.  Top athletes make baskets and score goals.  Top politicians win elections.  

You're continually confused - you seem to think obama's goals for office are anywhere near similar to yours.  His goals are in line with his dem/liberal base... amnesty, obamacare, etc... and he's achieved many of these goals.

He's won elections and he's achieved most of his party's goals... so by HIS measure, and by the MAJORITY of voters (52.9%), he is competent.


Just tell us why you and 48% of Americans in a party who cannot win the White House are "competent" and Obama is not?  You have a minority viewpoint (conservative in a majority liberal nation) and your party cannot win presidential elections, and your current frontrunner is a demoRat named Trump.   Competence?

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2016, 11:04:08 PM »
what does this say about the competence of the people on the RIGHT?

The left is stupid, clueless, worthless, lazy... but they keep winning presidential elections and it'll be either dem trump, or dem hilary, in 2016.

If the left is that stupid... and they keep defeating the repubs... well, there's Stupid, there's dems, there's 50 feet of crap, and then there's the republican party.

It's easier to win elections when you are promising to give a bunch of free shit to people. 

The left also has a stranglehold on the education system, the press, and Hollywood so their message and ideology gets beaten into people's heads from the time they are 3 years old.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2016, 02:31:02 AM »
Sure, there were such cases in the past, but let's not lose our head here and pretend that a law requiring voters identify themselves is akin to rekindling the Jim Crow laws of a bygone era.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/election-dirty-tricks

If every eligible voter in the US voted, a member of the Republican party (in its current form) would never hold higher office ever again.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2016, 12:01:00 PM »
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/election-dirty-tricks

If every eligible voter in the US voted, a member of the Republican party (in its current form) would never hold higher office ever again.
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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2016, 01:08:38 PM »
You know what they say about lies and statistics. 

There is the study you referenced:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Then there is one with a much less rosier picture:  http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/10/27/voter-fraud-study-n1909814

Both articles are from 2014.

and flaws about methodology and conclusions came out almost immediately and acknowledged by the study's authors

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The Study's Authors Outlined The Limitations Of Their Findings. In a October 24 blog in The Washington Post, Jessie Richman and David Earnest, two authors of the study, admitted that their "extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty." The authors noted that the non-citizen sample they examined was "modest" and relied on self-reporting, which can create errors, and attempts to verify the accuracy of the self-reporting was imperfect and supplemented by estimates. [The Washington Post, 10/27/14]


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Other Academics And Commentators Questioned Study's Assumptions And Sample Size. Tesler also wrote that "a number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper's assumptions and conclusions" which seem to be "tenuous at best":

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper's assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn  focused his criticism on Richman et al's use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population. Consequently, the assumption that non-citizens, who volunteered to take online surveys administered in English about American politics, would somehow be representative of the entire non-citizen population seems tenuous at best. [The Washington Post, Monkey Cage blog, 10/27/14]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/10/28/what-other-academics-think-of-the-questionable/201347

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2016, 01:20:53 PM »
There have been many studies over the recent years showing that voter fraud (i.e. non-citizens voting) is nonsense and the  voter ID laws were designed and implemented solely to suppress legitimate and legal voters from casting ballots.

You can refer to the dissenting opinion of Richard Posner in 2014 (appointed by Saint Reagan):

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-10-14/voter-id-math-finally-adds-up-for-judge-posner

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/gop_voter_id_law_gets_crushed_why_judge_richard_posners_ruling_is_so_amazing/

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2016, 01:22:08 PM »
Still waiting for someone to provide some specific details on this free health insurance program for illegal aliens


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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2016, 03:16:58 PM »
Part of the job of president is winning the job (and preventing the other team from getting the white house)

No, thats not his job. His job doesn't start until AFTER he's elected. It really isn't that difficult to figure out.

Top salesmen make sales.  Top athletes make baskets and score goals.  Top politicians win elections.  

A sales pitch and winning an election falls into the same catagory

You're continually confused - you seem to think obama's goals for office are anywhere near similar to yours.  His goals are in line with his dem/liberal base... amnesty, obamacare, etc... and he's achieved many of these goals.

Not confused what so every. His goals are not what the American people wanted and most were overwhelmingly not popular. They are what HE wanted. Not what the people wanted. See sales pitch and then used car salesman

He's won elections and he's achieved most of his party's goals... so by HIS measure, and by the MAJORITY of voters (52.9%), he is competent.


Just tell us why you and 48% of Americans in a party who cannot win the White House are "competent" and Obama is not?  You have a minority viewpoint (conservative in a majority liberal nation) and your party cannot win presidential elections, and your current frontrunner is a demoRat named Trump.   Competence?

There you go again aligning me with Trump. I want Trump to won about as much as you want Cruz. As far as Obama being competent, yes, he knows exactly what he's doing and he's destroying this country very competently. You must come from the TA school of politics

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2016, 04:07:19 PM »
Still waiting for someone to provide some specific details on this free health insurance program for illegal aliens



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