whats the lowest in cals you dieted on?

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Even eating lower calories now, my bodyweight holds and i'm leaner. We all eat too much. If you're hungry, even if you are craving junk, eat it. Just don't overeat. The muscle won't just go.

If you're not getting leaner while dieting, it's all diet. Don't add in Clen or other shit, diet is number 1 by a mile. Fat burners are maybe for when you have been dieting many weeks and need a kick but manipulating diet with higher and lower calorie days works the best.

[Dokey111]

I did this diet a long time ago for 6 months  

chicken breast for breakfast

chicken breast or tuna with lettuce for lunch

chicken breast or tuna with lettuce for dinner

occasional baked potato and/or apple

protein powder with water between meals if hungry.

I got whittled down to nothing  

[f450]

I did this diet a long time ago for 6 months  

chicken breast for breakfast

chicken breast or tuna with lettuce for lunch

chicken breast or tuna with lettuce for dinner

occasional baked potato and/or apple

protein powder with water between meals if hungry.


I got whittled down to nothing  

so stage ready? complete with glute striations

[wes]

5 cans of tuna straight out da` can with 16 oz. water............for a zero carb day or two works wonders as long as you keep carbs moderate for the most part and can stomach the tuna.

Low in cals and high in protein.

Contest only.

[Thong Maniac]

I did this diet a long time ago for 6 months  

chicken breast for breakfast

chicken breast or tuna with lettuce for lunch

chicken breast or tuna with lettuce for dinner

occasional baked potato and/or apple

protein powder with water between meals if hungry.

I got whittled down to nothing  

good plan for a single man with nothing else going on in life.

try pulling the "honey, im just gonna eat a plain chicken breast for dinner" conversation and see how many fights that will cause

[Thong Maniac]

5 cans of tuna straight out da` can with 16 oz. water............for a zero carb day or two works wonders as long as you keep carbs moderate for the most part and can stomach the tuna.

Low in cals and high in protein.

Contest only.

hello mercury poisoning

[cephissus]

is it because you look the same maybe?

No.  4-5k cals a day for the past couple months.

Anyway, threads like this just made me sad.  To see some guy torturing himself in an endless, futile pursuit... I find it nauseating.

No one eats 1000 - 2000 calories a day long term.  Only for a short while to 'prep for a show', in which one is physically and mentally weak from prolonged starvation.

Gal and no one tried to sell people on the idea that their results were sustainable, at least that was my impression.  But they're not.  No one can hide behind the stims forever.

Once you pop, you can either return to reality or get back in there and dive down the rabbit hole again, and again, and again.

You need to let go of the image if you ever want to escape the cycle.

[Army of One]

No.  4-5k cals a day for the past couple months.

Anyway, threads like this just made me sad.  To see some guy torturing himself in an endless, futile pursuit... I find it nauseating.

No one eats 1000 - 2000 calories a day long term.  Only for a short while to 'prep for a show', in which one is physically and mentally weak from prolonged starvation.

Gal and no one tried to sell people on the idea that their results were sustainable, at least that was my impression.  But they're not.  No one can hide behind the stims forever.

Once you pop, you can either return to reality or get back in there and dive down the rabbit hole again, and again, and again.

You need to let go of the image if you ever want to escape the cycle.

There's tons of examples of people out there who did psmf less than 1000 calories a day for 12 weeks or so and lost a metric ton of fat

[cephissus]

There's tons of examples of people out there who did psmf less than 1000 calories a day for 12 weeks or so and lost a metric ton of fat

that's fine.  no one eats 1000 calories a day forever when they're already lean.

you might say "of course not" but what is thong trying to achieve?  the kind of body you need to eat 1k calories a day to get.  and what did galeniko and no one say?  "you can do it, we do it".  even if they didn't exactly say that, it's easy to hear that if you want to.

maybe you can do it for a few months at a time, but you need drugs to stay sane.  and even they can't save you forever.  ultimately, thong's trying to achieve what he can't.  but that's just bodybuilding in a nutshell: becoming weak while pursuing the image of strength, over and over and over again.

it doesn't lead anywhere.

[ProudVirgin69]

That's fine though, I think most people diet harder for the summer months and then ease up in the fall/winter

[Thong Maniac]

that's fine.  no one eats 1000 calories a day forever when they're already lean.

you might say "of course not" but what is thong trying to achieve?  the kind of body you need to eat 1k calories a day to get.  and what did galeniko and no one say?  "you can do it, we do it".  even if they didn't exactly say that, it's easy to hear that if you want to.

maybe you can do it for a few months at a time, but you need drugs to stay sane.  and even they can't save you forever.  ultimately, thong's trying to achieve what he can't.  but that's just bodybuilding in a nutshell: becoming weak while pursuing the image of strength, over and over and over again.

it doesn't lead anywhere.

ceph i appreciate what u are trying to say and i do agree. Pursuing bbing is a total joke, and i know that. however, i feel that gal and no one had some good ideas, and 1000 cals isnt all that difficult if training and lifestyle are fairly lax. im at 1180 now and ill have a beer in a few and i feel full and fine.

i think where i hear your concern is what happens when u do get to the low bf. its not sustainable and i agree. so what does gal and no one have to say? i couldnt really tell by their book. do you go back to maintence? and if so, does bf creep back to where it was when u started?

[cephissus]

It's been a while but from what I remember gal basically recommended a cyclical ketogenic diet.

Refeeds every couple days to top off glycogen, back to <1000 the rest of the time.

My question is:  why us everyone in the fitness world always dieting?  Dieting isn't enjoyable, so when you get to your goal, why not stay there?

Because your goal state is a weak state, and you can't stay there.  So why do you want to return there, time after time?

Gurus prey off this confusion and fuel the fire with their 'solutions'.

[lilhawk1]

2400.  Depends on what you're trying to do.  I start at 3500 and drop calls every 2 weeks, increase cardio at the same time.  Eventually I end up around 2400 cals at the end.   Same diet Lee Labrada used, gets you shredded every single time.  No muscle loss.  Don't understand the need for guys to be under 1500 cals per day. Its not needed to get shredded, that's starvation type shit, and muscle loss will occur.  I see people doing that and using thyroid, DNP, clen, and every other fat burner known to man.....still they're not shredded.  Something is wrong there.  I have found with GH and T4/T3 combo calories can be kept higher, especially carbs.  Otherwise I flatten out a bit.

[Thong Maniac]

2400.  Depends on what you're trying to do.  I start at 3500 and drop calls every 2 weeks, increase cardio at the same time.  Eventually I end up around 2400 cals at the end.   Same diet Lee Labrada used, gets you shredded every single time.  No muscle loss.  Don't understand the need for guys to be under 1500 cals per day. Its not needed to get shredded, that's starvation type shit, and muscle loss will occur.  I see people doing that and using thyroid, DNP, clen, and every other fat burner known to man.....still they're not shredded.  Something is wrong there.  I have found with GH and T4/T3 combo calories can be kept higher, especially carbs.  Otherwise I flatten out a bit.

sorry, no unassisted average gym rat with a gym rat perma bulker build or "yeah he might lift weights" type of look is getting shredded on 2400 cals. thats maintenence for most people who have a day job and do an hour of weights a few times a week.

2400 with low dose test, t3, gh and superior ecto genetics then maybe i buy that. for your average bro who has an ok build....good luck with 2400

[SF1900]

Seriously, the lowest calories I have ever went on was 834.5679 per day.

And, yes, I weighed my food every single day and it came out to this exact number each day.

Crazy.

[The True Adonis]

sorry, no unassisted average gym rat with a gym rat perma bulker build or "yeah he might lift weights" type of look is getting shredded on 2400 cals. thats maintenence for most people who have a day job and do an hour of weights a few times a week.

2400 with low dose test, t3, gh and superior ecto genetics then maybe i buy that. for your average bro who has an ok build....good luck with 2400

I have always gotten to single digits with 2400-2200 and never have used a thing in my life.  Maybe its the added yard work in the summer.

[Thong Maniac]

I have always gotten to single digits with 2400-2200 and never have used a thing in my life.  Maybe its the added yard work in the summer.

from the pics posted of you, you definitely have ectomorph genetics. in that case, this makes sense. for endos, not a chance in hell will that get someone shredded

[The True Adonis]

from the pics posted of you, you definitely have ectomorph genetics. in that case, this makes sense. for endos, not a chance in hell will that get someone shredded

Thats just silly.  If you can't be in a caloric deficit at 2200-2400 calories, something is wrong.  Do you lay in bed all day or something?