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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2006, 09:28:28 AM »
I really miss reading Dchaine's column.  Before anyone chimes in, I know he was wrong half the time; I just loved his writng style.  I really enjoyed reading his articles...

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2006, 10:35:53 AM »
Here's a pretty interesting read about Billip Phillips from Outside Magazine.

http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200309/200309_mr_big_1.html

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Phillips was through with pro bodybuilding himself, but he knew what the muscle market needed: straight talk about training, diet, drugs, and motivation. He would take on the big boys, like Joe Weider, who he believed played a subtle shell game with the public. In magazines like Flex and Muscle & Fitness, Weider dodged the steroid topic entirely, suggesting that bodybuilders nurtured their freakish physiques solely by pumping iron and sucking down protein. Phillips knew you didn't get there without drugs, and he intended to say so.

"Phillips is a smart guy," says Todd. "Writing to the steroid crowd was a dead-end road. He knew you could make a certain amount of money building monster trucks, but you could make a whole lot more building Ford F-150s."

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2006, 12:49:02 PM »
Did Phillips ever make any money with all that Phosphagain-betagen-HMB stuff?
Yeah he made major $$$ but ALL of those supplements sucked donkey balls. Creatine(not the one with the kool aid in it), was the only one that worked. Phillips is a real scumbag. He put out his "supplement review" book and guess which supplements got the best review? What E.A.S of course. He didn't let you know that he covertly bought the damn company. I hope that rich lil midget chokes and dies on a couple of his HMB capsules  >:(

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2006, 01:04:42 PM »
Excluding contest coverage, MD is very similar to the original MM2000 (i.e., uncensored, cutting-edge stuff) but we have clearly more qualified authors than M2000 had.  However, we also offer contest coverages, so you will get best of the BOTH worlds.

Yeah the magazine (MD) is more in your face than most others, thats for sure. Whats up with that Greg Valentino chap though, not Oxford English school educated I suppose.

I would also assume many others would like to see training articles written for non pros; the novices and intermediate trainees many if not most of the advice that MD prints on training would kill a male silver back gorilla (to paraphase Arthur Jones). This is actually true of all of the big magazines on the shelves nowadays. Ironman (10 years ago) had awesome training advice but now they are pushing that X-rep nonsense.

I think readers would really appreciate some real world training advice instead of the advice of the proffesional bodybuilders. I would say that many pros don't actually know how to train that well (not trying to be rude) but due to genetics and drugs can grow from training programs that would shrink most people.


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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2006, 01:07:36 PM »
Here's a pretty interesting read about Billip Phillips from Outside Magazine.

http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200309/200309_mr_big_1.html

"Phillips is a smart guy," says Todd. "Writing to the steroid crowd was a dead-end road. He knew you could make a certain amount of money building monster trucks, but you could make a whole lot more building Ford F-150s."

I also think that he made the right business moved in terms of changing his market. I do think that he could have grown just as well or more if he had made two magazines though (1 hardcore one softcore); he probably reasoned that making two magazines would require two focuses and went where the gold was seen.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2006, 01:11:49 PM »
Yeah he made major $$$ but ALL of those supplements sucked donkey balls. Creatine(not the one with the kool aid in it), was the only one that worked. Phillips is a real scumbag. He put out his "supplement review" book and guess which supplements got the best review? What E.A.S of course. He didn't let you know that he covertly bought the damn company. I hope that rich lil midget chokes and dies on a couple of his HMB capsules  >:(

Yeah Creatine is the all time most powerful (natural) supplement; Ripped fuel was no joke either I think that Twinlab -they will probably deny this- put a high amount of Ephedrine and caffeine in their bottles. That stuff worked but had some side effects.

HMB was terrible, one of the worst supplements of all time right up their with Weider weight gain wafers.


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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2006, 01:54:48 PM »
I think readers would really appreciate some real world training advice instead of the advice of the proffesional bodybuilders.

I agree.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2006, 01:57:43 PM »
He put out his "supplement review" book and guess which supplements got the best review?

Yeah.. his Supplement "Review" books were riduculously biased, especially the first one.  :'(

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2006, 03:30:36 PM »
Hey Manninen, I forgot to tell you something:

MD fucking blows monkey nuts.  It's just as 'boring' as FLEX mag or any of the other ones and offers NO real-world information to gym rats.  It's full of 'entertaining' articles about crap you can find out anywhere and tries so hard to be 'hardcore' that it's kinda funny.

MD hit it's peak right around the time they got rid of the chicks on the covers.  By the time they got rid of them completely, the mag was as about as controversial as plastic vs. paper.

MD simply mentions the hardcore and it's 'pro articles' are as fake as hell.  In fact the guy who ghost wrote one of Dexter Jackson's articles ripped off a FLEX article by Chris Aceto almost WORD for WORD.  So now you see where they go when they run out of Valentino Poo stories and Goya Beans.

I think the market is completely ready for a new incarnation of MM2000.  Take a bit from MD, FLEX and Planet Muscle (and the Chef Fillipone articles from MMAG) and NOTHING from TNation and you've got a winner.

Until then, who gives a rat's ass what you read for 'entertainment'...fooling yourself into thinking MD is 'hardcore' is hillarious. 

How hardcore can a mag that you can buy in Walmart be??  It CAN'T.  So I won't thank Blechman for 'keeping it real' when really he's selling a sham of a mag to fools who don't know the difference...when a mag goes boring to sell to the masses, that's where I stop paying for the goods.  MD did that a LONG time ago.

..and ps, it was ALWAYS the shittiest mag back in the day....retarded articles, way to many ads and what the hell was with the whole ALL NATURAL MD?...please.  That ALONE should show you the hipocrisy of MD's mag. 

I'm taking a page out of Valentino's book and am now WIPING MY ASS with all the post no chicks back issues of MD....but that only lasted one shit, cause the crummy black ink on the pages comes off just like the fucking newspapers you read everyday!

MD really stands for Most Dull.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2006, 04:02:50 PM »
...what the hell was with the whole ALL NATURAL MD?...please.  That ALONE should show you the hipocrisy of MD's mag. 

MD was owned by TWINLAB back then.

Thank you for your "feedback". :)


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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2006, 04:08:07 PM »
When did Muscle Media go "mainstream"? 

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2006, 04:19:40 PM »
MD was owned by TWINLAB back then.

Thank you for your "feedback". :)



...what's your point?  Blechman's family OWNED TWINLAB!...you're blaming the direction on the magazine on an affiliation with Twinlab?  Laughable.  It was no better than MMag was then and now with the Muscletech connection.

MD sucks and ruined what it had for a brief period...a mag that was entertaining, informative, but really, never 'hardcore'.  MuscleMedia 2000 was hardcore.

Why don't you prove me wrong and show me an article in MD that gave readers REAL info on cycles?  Other than the articles from the author of that E Book Creating the Perfect Beast, not ONE.  Shit, you've got Chad Nicholls on the staff and he's doing contest reviews?!?!?...please.  He made allusions to ONE cycle in his 2nd or 3rd article and that was IT.

The perfect bbing magazine doesn't exist, but I know exactly what would be contained within it to make it so.  And the only thing it would lack was the immediate contest results you get on the web.

Would it make cash, I'm not sure...but I'm sure as hell not going to thank Blechman and his boring ass magazine for being 'hardcore' when really it's bland and shallow like the rest of the mags out there today.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2006, 04:27:33 PM »
"And the only thing it would lack was the immediate contest results you get on the web."

Clearly, you´re wearing some kind of Anti-MD blinders. Anyway, if I would be MD´s Editor-in-Chief, I would dramatically cut contest coverage.. 

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2006, 04:29:00 PM »
Muscle media was a great mag, it,s contributors were all bill philips drug associates when they ran the biggest black market steriod ring in the US, the turning piont for the mag was when bill philips turned his back on his roots and groundings (bodybuilding) and tried to elevate the EAS brand to a household mainstream brand , thus the editorial change in the mag, the original mag was aimed purly at hrdcor bodybuilding because at that stage that was where bill philips bread and butter was , this aided in the launch of eas,s first big money spinner, Phosphagen ( creatine) as time went on bill philips slowly moved away from this market and burnt alot of people along the way including his brother, to the piont bill philips hired full time security due to the numerous threats he received due to his higher than mighty attuded , he was also a very big GHB user and many a time collasped at parties and had to be carried out by his security detail , but yes the original mag was excellent !!

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2006, 04:54:02 PM »
I tend to disagree with this contention. Why he didnt simply decide to publish a "sister-magazine" called Fitness Media or something.

Also, if you ask some strength-power athlete (other than bodybuilder or powerlifter) where he/she gets his info on nutrition, supplementation, etc., he/she will also likely say "from bb mags" (especially MD) :)

You don't get bestseller books being known as a fitness/steroid guru.  He had to dissolve his connection with steroids.  He wanted to be associated with hollywood and all that. 

Nor is it easy or smart to double your workload or take a less hands on role in one of the magazines. 

And I'm sure if I asked athletes now they would say personal and friends experience, strength coaches,  and the internet.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2006, 08:28:57 PM »
Muscle media was a great mag, it,s contributors were all bill philips drug associates when they ran the biggest black market steriod ring in the US, the turning piont for the mag was when bill philips turned his back on his roots and groundings (bodybuilding) and tried to elevate the EAS brand to a household mainstream brand , thus the editorial change in the mag, the original mag was aimed purly at hrdcor bodybuilding because at that stage that was where bill philips bread and butter was , this aided in the launch of eas,s first big money spinner, Phosphagen ( creatine) as time went on bill philips slowly moved away from this market and burnt alot of people along the way including his brother, to the piont bill philips hired full time security due to the numerous threats he received due to his higher than mighty attuded , he was also a very big GHB user and many a time collasped at parties and had to be carried out by his security detail , but yes the original mag was excellent !!

I did'nt know Phillips was that raw, but it does'nt really suprise me; an insiders view point is definitely different from someone on the outside

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2006, 08:30:43 PM »
EAS was like a cult they sold every formula under the sun,v2g,okg,mrp's which are good,hmb,cytovol just to name a few.muscletech has now taken over their hype.they had some facility and gym at corporate office in colorado .

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2006, 08:37:12 PM »
EAS was like a cult they sold every formula under the sun,v2g,okg,mrp's which are good,hmb,cytovol just to name a few.muscletech has now taken over their hype.they had some facility and gym at corporate office in colorado .

I don't think that Muscletech had the same effect though, possibly in the beginning, but now more people feel that their products are way over priced, not to mention their continuation of before and after pictures.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2006, 08:42:33 PM »
True muscletech's before and after pic's of even non pro's before and after are funny ,you can tell they either competed or have in past and get in shape natuarally or assisted ::)

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2006, 08:48:39 PM »
True muscletech's before and after pic's of even non pro's before and after are funny ,you can tell they either competed or have in past and get in shape natuarally or assisted ::)

Yeah hilarious stuff in those dar hills,
The classic was the Lee Priest offseason shot and then 3 months later so ripped that you could see his heart beating.

Does anyone remember the Cybergenics supplement box, Franco Santorellio used to be their athlete. That stuff sold really well, and did'nt work, amazing. I think that someone could probably pass wind in a box, package it nicely, promote it aggressively with the right personalities and it would sell extremely well. This is not limited to bodybuilding but done with everything from Soda to Prada.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2006, 09:57:46 PM »
funny to listen to TC talk about EAS being made up of a bunch of people who really didn't know what they were doing...What BS and alot of jealously...1/2 billion dollar companies don't happen by accident...Phillips had a vision but if you listen to TC, he makes it sound like it was mostly his doing...Totally silly...

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2006, 01:27:57 PM »
Muscle media was a great mag, it,s contributors were all bill philips drug associates when they ran the biggest black market steriod ring in the US, the turning piont for the mag was when bill philips turned his back on his roots and groundings (bodybuilding) and tried to elevate the EAS brand to a household mainstream brand , thus the editorial change in the mag, the original mag was aimed purly at hrdcor bodybuilding because at that stage that was where bill philips bread and butter was , this aided in the launch of eas,s first big money spinner, Phosphagen ( creatine) as time went on bill philips slowly moved away from this market and burnt alot of people along the way including his brother, to the piont bill philips hired full time security due to the numerous threats he received due to his higher than mighty attuded , he was also a very big GHB user and many a time collasped at parties and had to be carried out by his security detail , but yes the original mag was excellent !!

Believe it or not, Phillips had good intentions. There's more to life than catering a magazine to a steroid-ring-crowd, his new field was focused on general health, where all of ours should be in the first place. You shouldn't sacrifice your kidneys or your livelihood just to have more muscle, that muscle won't amount to shit when your older and your looking to live as long as possible, that's why bodybuilding is full of incompetent individuals. 

Coicedentally, the number of competent individuals in the general health crowd far exceeded those in the steroid crowd, thus not only did Phillips make a change for the better, he also become more wealthy because of it.

People want to improve their performance and endurance, go rock climbing, etc, which is what Phillips catered to. "looking better" is one way street, what's going to happen when you age and you don't look the same?

That's why Phillips made the switch, he wasn't going to dedicate his life promoting controlled substances. 

All of that Propaganda surrounding Phillips and his brother was pushed by Testosterone nation because of the distraught feelings they felt over their terminated relationship with EAS and Phillips. Instead of moving on and improving themsleves for the better, the writers chose to relive their past ways and create testosterone nation while flaming Phillips in the process. It's unfortunate those same writers and promoters of that website will come to the same conclusion Phillips made earlier when they refused to listen.... Steroids isn't the end-all-be all of the world. Bodybuilding means jack shit at the end of life, it's a stepping stone for other things. If you think having bigger biceps will make you a better individual than you'll never be satisfied...

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2006, 05:29:44 PM »
Believe it or not, Phillips had good intentions. There's more to life than catering a magazine to a steroid-ring-crowd, his new field was focused on general health, where all of ours should be in the first place. You shouldn't sacrifice your kidneys or your livelihood just to have more muscle, that muscle won't amount to shit when your older and your looking to live as long as possible, that's why bodybuilding is full of incompetent individuals. 

Coicedentally, the number of competent individuals in the general health crowd far exceeded those in the steroid crowd, thus not only did Phillips make a change for the better, he also become more wealthy because of it.

People want to improve their performance and endurance, go rock climbing, etc, which is what Phillips catered to. "looking better" is one way street, what's going to happen when you age and you don't look the same?

That's why Phillips made the switch, he wasn't going to dedicate his life promoting controlled substances. 

All of that Propaganda surrounding Phillips and his brother was pushed by Testosterone nation because of the distraught feelings they felt over their terminated relationship with EAS and Phillips. Instead of moving on and improving themsleves for the better, the writers chose to relive their past ways and create testosterone nation while flaming Phillips in the process. It's unfortunate those same writers and promoters of that website will come to the same conclusion Phillips made earlier when they refused to listen.... Steroids isn't the end-all-be all of the world. Bodybuilding means jack shit at the end of life, it's a stepping stone for other things. If you think having bigger biceps will make you a better individual than you'll never be satisfied...


exactly...You think Tom Prince isn't thinking the same thing...I bet if he could go back in time :-\

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2006, 06:10:55 AM »
EAS was like a cult they sold every formula under the sun,v2g,okg,mrp's which are good,hmb,cytovol just to name a few.muscletech has now taken over their hype.they had some facility and gym at corporate office in colorado .

Actually they sold only a handful of formulations, most containing creatine monohydrate and/or HMB. They also had (and still has) that great tasting MRP, Myoplex. However, the current MRPs containing whole grains (rather than maltodextrine) are superior to the original MRPs.

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Re: Remember the Original Muscle Media 2000 magazine and how great it was?
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2006, 06:30:53 AM »

exactly...You think Tom Prince isn't thinking the same thing...I bet if he could go back in time :-\

What about Mike Matarazzo? TRIPLE-BYPASS SURGERY in his late 30s!!! Now, the only thing massive about him is his hospital bills.

I can't possibly imagine having that procedure done to me 5 years from now. I love having muscles, but a 20-inch arm ain't worth that. I don't care what anyone says.