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How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« on: May 02, 2016, 03:51:17 PM »
Let's just say he was Hollywood illiterate and just had his goals on sandows. How many do you think he could get? He faced political pressure as well. I think he could've gone up to the mid 1980's vs Haney. It would've been epic!

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2016, 04:05:35 PM »
Pretty much as long as he wanted to.  If he was only focused on improving every year and being the best bodybuilder of all time he could have reigned for 10 to 15 years.  At his best, nobody even had a chance to beat him until Haney got on the scene.  By the time Haney showed up it would have been time for Arnie to move on anyway.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 04:28:36 PM »
Let's just say he was Hollywood illiterate and just had his goals on sandows. How many do you think he could get? He faced political pressure as well. I think he could've gone up to the mid 1980's vs Haney. It would've been epic!

With steroids & receptor burnout, all elite bodybuilders have a limited window of beating top-flight competition. Then it all ends relatively fast.

Sergio tried to compete with Haney... and that didn't work out for Sergio.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 05:12:33 PM »
With steroids & receptor burnout, all elite bodybuilders have a limited window of beating top-flight competition. Then it all ends relatively fast.

Sergio tried to compete with Haney... and that didn't work out for Sergio.
Sergio also came in looking like he used to. A different game had evolved. Sergio was not in condition, he was in "Sergio condition", and that wrecked tricep didn't help things either.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 05:13:55 PM »
HE was gifted his last one.
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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 05:26:49 PM »
Probably 13 or 14 Sandows.

By the time he cranked out his 10th come late 70's the politics of it alone would have allowed him to coast to another 3 or 4 when you take into account his charisma, the streak that would have been established and lack of awe-inspiring physiques in the early 80's pre-Haney.

No chance an old Arnold beats a young Lee Haney though.

It's almost like the sport advanced 20 years instantly when Haney stepped on the stage for his first Mr. O Win.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 05:46:28 PM »

No chance an old Arnold beats a young Lee Haney though.

It's almost like the sport advanced 20 years instantly when Haney stepped on the stage for his first Mr. O Win.

Well, no.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 05:48:16 PM »
Arnold wins up to Dorian. There, I said it. F Haney.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 05:56:22 PM »
Arnold wins up to Dorian. There, I said it. F Haney.

Dorian won his first Sandow in 1992.

So in your scenario Arnold wins 22 Mr. Olympias in a row?

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 07:45:28 PM »
Arnold wins until Haney hits his peak.
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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 07:48:52 PM »
Arnold wins until the schmoes get sick of him

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2016, 08:15:07 PM »
My take:

Had Arnold not retired in 1975, he would easily have won 1976 through 1979, which is 4 more before his 1980 win, which had he not taken a 5 year layoff, he would have been even more impressive by 1980. He would also have easily won 1981 and 1982, which is 13 sandows by that point. If Lou entered in 1983 in his Hercules condition he would have given Arnold a run for his money big time. Now consider this, Arnold was never forced to really up his bodyweight and play the size game, because he was a giant among men during his time, but come 1984 Lee would push Arnold to come in at 260 pounds onstage and 280 offseason, seeing he had minimum 2" on Haney back then. That Arnold, combined with bringing up his legs and overall definition/conditioning which he was very capable of doing, would have crushed every competitor until 1993 when Dorian showed up at close to 260 pounds of granite. So, it's conceivable that Arnold could have won 23 straight sandows, spanning from 1970 through 1992. That said, it's possible that Arnold would have pushed Haney as well, seeing Haney didn't have a lot of competition back then either until Yates came around in 1991. Either way, Arnold would have easily won every Sandow from 1970 to 1983 (unless Lou showed up in 1983 in Hercules condition), so that's minimum 13 or 14 years of titles for Arnold.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2016, 09:37:21 PM »
at least 13

not really convinced haney could have beaten arnold, 


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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2016, 12:17:52 AM »
Had Arnold improved / kept up with the size game & conditioning,
It would of been great to see what he would of looked like.
Arnold vs Haney... With the above taking place Arnold would Win.

Likely only Beaten By Dorian.

Arnold at 250/260+ lbs in shape.
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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2016, 05:42:20 AM »
My take:

Had Arnold not retired in 1975, he would easily have won 1976 through 1979, which is 4 more before his 1980 win, which had he not taken a 5 year layoff, he would have been even more impressive by 1980. He would also have easily won 1981 and 1982, which is 13 sandows by that point. If Lou entered in 1983 in his Hercules condition he would have given Arnold a run for his money big time. Now consider this, Arnold was never forced to really up his bodyweight and play the size game, because he was a giant among men during his time, but come 1984 Lee would push Arnold to come in at 260 pounds onstage and 280 offseason, seeing he had minimum 2" on Haney back then. That Arnold, combined with bringing up his legs and overall definition/conditioning which he was very capable of doing, would have crushed every competitor until 1993 when Dorian showed up at close to 260 pounds of granite. So, it's conceivable that Arnold could have won 23 straight sandows, spanning from 1970 through 1992. That said, it's possible that Arnold would have pushed Haney as well, seeing Haney didn't have a lot of competition back then either until Yates came around in 1991. Either way, Arnold would have easily won every Sandow from 1970 to 1983 (unless Lou showed up in 1983 in Hercules condition), so that's minimum 13 or 14 years of titles for Arnold.

I don't think so.  Lou's legs were inferior to Arnold's.  A 260lb Arnold in contest shape would've wiped the floor with all of them.

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2016, 07:02:55 AM »
I don't think so.  Lou's legs were inferior to Arnold's.  A 260lb Arnold in contest shape would've wiped the floor with all of them.

Including a 240-250 pound Lee Haney?

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Re: How far could've Arnold won the sandow
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2016, 07:12:50 AM »
40 Sandows.  He'd still be the champ today.