NASA announcement @ 1pm TODAY

[da_vinci]

Lol at the always was theory. Cop out much?  Can't explain it so just claim it was always there.  I've done that when my ex found a used condom I fucked another girl with.

A lot better explanation than a super complex entity "outside" the universe.

[Marty Champions]

there had to be a force wich caused the atom to be created

all elements on the periodic table are an atom with different amounts of electrons and electron rings

its all the same stuff atomically  with slight changes

 

[da_vinci]

there had to be a force wich caused the atom to be created

all elements on the periodic table are an atom with different amounts of electrons and electron rings

its all the same stuff atomically  with slight changes

 

Yes, it's very "simple" at the core of the things, just seem complex. I'd guess that "force" has always existed (because if it didn't, well, how could it BE then? Something that hasn't existed cant appear out of nowhere, god included, just god seems a lot more unlikely "force" than a core physical force/energy). People often doesnt realize that what they see around is a LOT less complex than what it looks like. It's enough a few variables in an equation to create a super complex fractal structures. Physical world is made exactly of fractal like patterns and once again - numbers show that a VERY basic equation is enough to create a VERY complex fractal. Thus - few physical forces were enough to create the material "universe" that we see.

[Kwon]

Nibiru found?

[drkaje]

Yes, it's very "simple" at the core of the things, just seem complex. I'd guess that "force" has always existed (because if it didn't, well, how could it BE then? Something that hasn't existed cant appear out of nowhere, god included, just god seems a lot more unlikely "force" than a core physical force/energy). People often doesnt realize that what they see around is a LOT less complex than what it looks like. It's enough a few variables in an equation to create a super complex fractal structures. Physical world is made exactly of fractal like patterns and once again - numbers show that a VERY basic equation is enough to create a VERY complex fractal. Thus - few physical forces were enough to create the material "universe" that we see.

Voltaire (or someone else) thought God to be the Prime Mover. I can't recall undergrad philosophy well enough to say if he was religious by our current definition.

[milone79]

"Planets" are wandering stars. And they're not light years away. They're thousands of miles away.

truth!!

[da_vinci]

Voltaire (or someone else) thought God to be the Prime Mover. I can't recall undergrad philosophy well enough to say if he was religious by our current definition.

Why can't it be a physical force then? Makes a lot more sense. Except that it's not comforting idea, it forces to realize that in that case life has no purpose and no goal, no meaning for the suffering of many, no reason, no nothing, just an endless happening. That's why people insist on a "god" idea, that's the only reason, otherwise a physical force as a "god" is a lot more reasonable explanation however you look at it.

[drkaje]

Why can't it be a physical force then? Makes a lot more sense. Except that it's not comforting idea, it forces to realize that in that case life has no purpose and no goal, no meaning for the suffering of many, no reason, no nothing, just an endless happening. That's why people insist on a "god" idea, that's the only reason, otherwise a physical force as a "god" is a lot more reasonable explanation however you look at it.

IIRC, he didn't think God was something that wanted worshipping. Prime Mover was just his rationalization for whatever force got things in motion.  Some of the tings you're adding in are more about religion than God. Religion is pretty much Man's creation to cope with mortality and phenomena not easily understood or rationalized. If you went back in time and grabbed an ancient Egyptian, Israelite, caveman, etc... and showed them a television they'd probably think it was the work of Some God or Demon.

[da_vinci]

IIRC, he didn't think God was something that wanted worshipping. Prime Mover was just his rationalization for whatever force got things in motion.  Some of the tings you're adding in are more about religion than God. Religion is pretty much Man's creation to cope with mortality and phenomena not easily understood or rationalized. If you went back in time and grabbed an ancient Egyptian, Israelite, caveman, etc... and showed them a television they'd probably think it was the work of Some God or Demon.

So he probably was quite a reasonable man. "god" in that case would be just a word, we could say it was an "energy that has existed forever" and it would be good too. Why most reject the idea that something may have existed without creation/begining? Just becase we are SO used to a concept of begining and an end that we don't question it at all. If we are merely a shape of an energy (which we ARE), the begning or end doesn't actually make sense on a grand scale. We simply change shape (energy changes shape) and so it goes round and round. If there's only a constand change - how can there be an end or begining. Begining is "past", end is "future", none of these exist, only NOW, so...

[drkaje]

So he probably was quite a reasonable man. "god" in that case would be just a word, we could say it was an "energy that has existed forever" and it would be good too. Why most reject the idea that something may have existed without creation/begining? Just becase we are SO used to a concept of begining and an end that we don't question it at all. If we are merely a shape of an energy (which we ARE), the begning or end doesn't actually make sense on a grand scale. We simply change shape (energy changes shape) and so it goes round and round. If there's only a constand change - how can there be an end or begining. Begining is "past", end is "future", none of these exist, only NOW, so...

He would have probably been branded a heretic for using another term.

[Mitch]

The earth truly is flat and we live in a dome. It's like almost like a snow globe. Once again the Bible was right.  Ya know I used to laugh at people that thought this.  It seemed so unfathomable I never addressed.  Then I actually took a look at it and used SCIENCE and it proved to be true. The earth is indeed flat or concave.

Gravity does not exist.  Gravity is a theory and theory that will never be proven as fact. Gravity needs to exist in order for the heliocentric theory to be true.
"Gravity" is actually an object more dense than the air around it then it falls. If you and make an object lighter then the air around it, it floats.  That in a nutshell is "gravity".  It's a farce.

The earth does not spin.  It's immovable. The sun and the moon rotate to give light. The earth is on four pillars and doesn't move.

what the pillars are on?

[drkaje]

what the pillars are on?

God's hand. 

[Tapeworm]

He would have probably been branded a heretic for using another term.

Got the shit kicked out of him by some hired henchmen for owning a nobleman.  Extended a middle finger to France and went to England, I think.  Never knew when to shut the fuck up, to his credit.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I'm pretty sure when everyone finds out the truth they'll be disappointed.  Better we not know.

[Waller]

Holy fucking Jesus titty sucking! There are some infuriatingly stupid people in this world.

[Howard]

"Planets" are wandering masses. And they're not light years away. They're MILLIONS of miles away.

fixed

[Howard]

Why can't it be a physical force then? Makes a lot more sense. Except that it's not comforting idea, it forces to realize that in that case life has no purpose and no goal, no meaning for the suffering of many, no reason, no nothing, just an endless happening. That's why people insist on a "god" idea, that's the only reason, otherwise a physical force as a "god" is a lot more reasonable explanation however you look at it.

It was THIS force which helped Wiggs ancestors get out of bum fuk Egypt

[Taffin]

Elephants on turtles!

Oh, right thanks....

erm...

So what are the turtles standing on..?   

[Taffin]

Bump

Dear Wiggs, I rarely step outside bodybuilding related subjects (i.e. politics, religion, etc.) as what do I know, right!?  But I respectfully ask a few questions here if I may about comment/world view that I genuinely would be interested in hearing the answer to:

- what do the four pillars that the Earth stands on, stand on themselves?
- are the oceans all around infinite in all directions?
- is there life in those surrounding oceans?
- you mentioned that you used science to draw your conclusions - what science do you mean?

As I say, these are genuine questions, I'm not trolling, so I hope you can find the time to answer - thank in advance 

[FREAKgeek]

Oh, right thanks....

erm...

So what are the turtles standing on..?  

It's turtles all the way down. And there's Klingons on Uranus.

[Nails]

[PJim]

Could you imagine if a newbie to training stumbled across this place and read some of the nonsense posted...There's skepticism and then there's plain stupid.

[Taffin]

It's turtles all the way down. And there's Klingons on Uranus.

 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Oh, right thanks....

erm...

So what are the turtles standing on..?   

sand

[Taffin]

sand

Right!  Now I get it....

Erm...

But what's the sand on top of..?