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Austrian Economics
« on: May 13, 2016, 02:42:54 PM »

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 02:46:51 PM »
The Economic way of thinking.


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2016, 02:48:45 PM »
The Austrian business cycle explained.


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2016, 02:57:50 PM »
Tom Woods is a buffoon. Austrian Economics ignores political expediency.

Steve Keen interviewed in second half of this clip


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2016, 03:38:11 PM »
Joseph Schumpeter is my favorite Austrian Economist.  His ideas about the entrepreneur and creative destruction were fifty years ahead of his time.  I think Schumpeter is the most penetrating analyst of capitalism who ever lived. He saw things other people didn't see,


From Capitalism and Socialism and Democracy Ch 7.
    Capitalism is by nature a form or method of economic change and not only never is but never can be stationary. The fundamental impulse that sets and keeps the capitalist engine in motion comes from the new consumers’ goods, the new methods of production or transportation, the new markets, the new forms of industrial organization that capitalist enterprise creates.  The opening up of new markets, foreign or domestic, and the organizational development from the craft shop and factory to such concerns as U.S. Steel illustrate the process of industrial mutation that incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one. This process of Creative Destruction is the essential fact about capitalism. It is what capitalism consists in and what every capitalist concern has got to live in.  Capitalism requires the perennial gale of Creative Destruction.

It is not that kind of competition which counts but the competition from the new
commodity, the new technology, the new source of supply, the new type of
organization (the largest-scale unit of control for instance)—competition
which commands a decisive cost or quality advantage and which strikes not
at the margins of the profits and the outputs of the existing firms but at their
foundations and their very lives
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Think: Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix


"Without innovations, no entrepreneurs; without entrepreneurial achievement, no capitalist returns and no capitalist propulsion."
Joseph Schumpeter


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2016, 06:15:07 PM »
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Capitalism has worked very well. Anyone who wants to move to North Korea is welcome. Bill Gates
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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 06:23:01 PM »
Tom Woods is a buffoon. Austrian Economics ignores political expediency.

Tom's explaining what the Austrian Economic school believes causes the business cycle.  Mainly, that the government dropping the interest rate to stimulate the economy, lays the seeds for the next bust.  

Every time the government turns on the printing presses, it's an inflation tax on everyone.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2016, 01:03:34 AM »
Tom's explaining what the Austrian Economic school believes causes the business cycle.  Mainly, that the government dropping the interest rate to stimulate the economy, lays the seeds for the next bust.  

Every time the government turns on the printing presses, it's an inflation tax on everyone.


Dropping interest rates to record lows has not worked too well in Europe...

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2016, 01:17:10 AM »
Dropping interest rates to record lows has not worked too well in Europe...
No Kidding. Dear customer: negative interest rates; let us give them to you. 

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2016, 02:19:54 AM »
Dropping interest rates to record lows has not worked too well in Europe...

It's not so bad when you have investment loans to service and the equity in your investments are still going up  ;)

tbh there was no choice but to slash interest rates or we would have ended up with rampant deflation and a depression.

interest rates won't be going anywhere until there is some degree of sustainable inflation. which doesn't seem to be on the way any time soon.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2016, 03:35:24 AM »
Tom's explaining what the Austrian Economic school believes causes the business cycle.  Mainly, that the government dropping the interest rate to stimulate the economy, lays the seeds for the next bust.  

Every time the government turns on the printing presses, it's an inflation tax on everyone.


the problem was greenspan growing credit faster than nominal gdp. bernanke and yellen have had to face the consequences since.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2016, 05:32:22 AM »
Dropping interest rates to record lows has not worked too well in Europe...

Nor has it worked in Japan and the United States.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2016, 06:56:02 AM »
Nor has it worked in Japan and the United States.

japan has been at zero interest rates for around 3 decades iirc. but it has/is working. the alternative would be a 30s style great depression.

the 'crash' destroyed investment and consumer confidence, even with near zero interest rates investment is still weak and money is not really moving. if interest rates were higher there would be even greater incentive to hold onto money.

printing money is supposed to devalue a currency, but even with all the new money that's been printed in the states and europe it hasn't managed to spike any sustainable inflation. deflation is still the big threat, so it would be suicide to raise interest rates.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2016, 06:59:53 AM »
the problem was greenspan growing credit faster than nominal gdp. bernanke and yellen have had to face the consequences since.

The Austrian point of view is that governments shouldn't influence interest rates.  Private banks should set their own interest rates based on how much money they have to lend.  When economies are left on their own without government intervention you don't have the booms or the busts.  The natural state of the economy is very stable because it's self correcting.  

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2016, 07:24:03 AM »
Tom Woods is a buffoon. Austrian Economics ignores political expediency.

Steve Keen interviewed in second half of this clip


Steve Keen has some very dangerous ideas.  At the 23 minute mark he starts to talk a about a debt jubilee where the government gives everyone $10,000 to pay down their debts.  the problem with this is it inflates away the value of the money held by the savers.


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2016, 07:26:44 AM »
$10,000 after having increased your debts for things like housing already by $100,000.

Get to work.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2016, 07:36:17 AM »
The Austrian point of view is that governments shouldn't control interest rates.  Private banks should set their own interest rates based on how much money they have to lend.  When economies are left on their own without government intervention you don't have the booms or the busts.  The natural state of the economy is very stable because it's self correcting.  

Private banks do set their own interest rates anyway. the base rate set by the central bank is just used to influence the market and the rate they charge other banks and financial institutions.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2016, 07:47:15 AM »
Private banks do set their own interest rates anyway. the base rate set by the central bank is just used to influence the market and the rate they charge other banks and financial institutions.

I changed it to influence. 

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2016, 07:57:08 AM »
Steve Keen has some very dangerous ideas.  At the 23 minute mark he starts to talk a about a debt jubilee where the government gives everyone $10,000 to pay down their debts.  the problem with this is it inflates away the value of the money held by the savers.



the only other way to get rid of excess debt is default. idiot.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2016, 08:07:56 AM »
The way western societies work today:

Capitalism for the working class, but Socialism for the rich.  The working class must pull themselves by their boot straps, work hard and make something of themselves, while corporations get a handout and get bailed out by the government and the tax payers.

Liberalism for the working class, but Conservationism for the rich.  The working class must contribute to handouts for the poor and share bathrooms with "transformers", but corporations contribute nothing and "transformers" can go pee in a bucket in the alley.

Double standards of peace.


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2016, 08:10:53 AM »
the only other way to get rid of excess debt is default. idiot.

Or earn money and pay it off like you're supposed to.  :D

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2016, 08:22:11 AM »
The real meaning of competition using the airline industry as an example.


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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2016, 08:25:29 AM »
Or earn money and pay it off like you're supposed to.  :D

that is mathematically impossible. you should go and study monetary economics. or watch this.



debt in the US is growing more than 3x faster than gdp.

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2016, 08:28:52 AM »
that is mathematically impossible. you should go and study monetary economics. or watch this.
debt in the US is growing more than 3x faster than gdp.

Now it's mathematically impossible to spend less than you earn.  When did that happen?  :D

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Re: Austrian Economics
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2016, 10:00:35 AM »
Now it's mathematically impossible to spend less than you earn.  When did that happen?  :D

Because your saving is someone else's income loss which when dine across a highly leveraged economy creates a financial crisis ie a minsky moment