Glock 43

[_aj_]

It goes without saying the ex-Brit military will bring up the BHP. Had one, sold it. It's a nice all-steel double stack, but the gun locking up without a mag in a deal breaker. Also, SAO isn't very modern.

[oldtimer1]

Plastic grip panels. And it holds 5 with one in the pipe and the .25 is a shitty round. That gun would do better if you put it in a sock with a bunch of rocks and beat the guy to death.

I remember about 30 years ago a small arms expert was giving us a class. He was showing the class various hand gun rounds. When he took out the .25 ACP one guy laughed. He took the round and threw it at his head. He had a bloody mark on his forehead. The instructor said imagine if I shot you with that?

Hornady makes a fantastic .25ACP round. Every ballistic gel test even with denim shows about 11 inches of penetration and good expansion. Of course I'm not saying this is a superior round. What I am saying is so many handguns are not carried because of the size. They are hard to conceal or if you have them concealed they are pain after a couple of hours. Something like a Browning can be carried in a pocket with a pocket holster to stop the printing of the outline. Making an all day tee shirt and jeans carry an all day possibility.  

I have carried for 31 years. The Glock is a great tool. Never jams and has big combat sights that are quick to find.  The trigger is decent too.

I carry a winter gun and a summer gun. If anyone is interested I will tell why I made those choices for myself. Winter is a Sig 9MM and Summer is Smith & Wesson .38 special.

[delta9mda]

43 is good but ill stick to my 26

[Donny]

It goes without saying the ex-Brit military will bring up the BHP. Had one, sold it. It's a nice all-steel double stack, but the gun locking up without a mag in a deal breaker. Also, SAO isn't very modern.

They do not use it now. It was used in my time   They use the Glock 17 now according to what i have been told. I only ever used the browning which was standard issue at my time on operations in civilian clothes. Later in another Job doing Security. I would still use one, an excellent sidearm. I was a Marksman with this.

[Donny]

I remember about 30 years ago a small arms expert was giving us a class. He was showing the class various hand gun rounds. When he took out the .25 ACP one guy laughed. He took the round and threw it at his head. He had a bloody mark on his forehead. The instructor said imagine if I shot with that?

Hornady makes a fantastic .25ACP round. Every ballistic gel test even with denim shows about 11 inches of penetration and good expansion. Of course I'm not saying this is a superior round. What I am saying is so many handguns are not carried because of the size. They are hard to conceal or if you have them concealed they are pain after a couple of hours. Something like a Browning can be carried in a pocket with a pocket holster to stop the printing of the outline. Making an all day tee shirt and jeans carry an all day possibility.  

I have carried for 31 years. The Glock is a great tool. Never jams and has big combat sights that are quick to find.  The trigger is decent too.

I carry a winter gun and a summer gun. If anyone is interested I will tell why I made those choices for myself. Winter is a Sig 9MM and Summer is Smith & Wesson .38 special.

I think if i was living in the US of A... I would have a firearm too. I mean if you are traveling at night in Public tramsport, for example you never know. Also for Home protection. I am not a "Gun Ho" Guy or anything but in these times you have to think about it. Where i live there is more chance of Dying in your sleep .. not that i am complaining.

[rocket]

I quite enjoy that youtube hickok fellow that someone (AJ?) linked to in a gun thread a few months, back.  Love how he has a little laugh after every shot with the interesting guns. 

[Twaddle]

I remember about 30 years ago a small arms expert was giving us a class. He was showing the class various hand gun rounds. When he took out the .25 ACP one guy laughed. He took the round and threw it at his head. He had a bloody mark on his forehead. The instructor said imagine if I shot with that?

Hornady makes a fantastic .25ACP round. Every ballistic gel test even with denim shows about 11 inches of penetration and good expansion. Of course I'm not saying this is a superior round. What I am saying is so many handguns are not carried because of the size. They are hard to conceal or if you have them concealed they are pain after a couple of hours. Something like a Browning can be carried in a pocket with a pocket holster to stop the printing of the outline. Making an all day tee shirt and jeans carry an all day possibility.  

I have carried for 31 years. The Glock is a great tool. Never jams and has big combat sights that are quick to find.  The trigger is decent too.

I carry a winter gun and a summer gun. If anyone is interested I will tell why I made those choices for myself. Winter is a Sig 9MM and Summer is Smith & Wesson .38 special.

Your teacher sounds like a cool guy.  Throwing bullets at people and hitting them in the head.  Sounds like a guy I would like to have a beer with, and compare our Baby Brownings.   

[_aj_]

Your teacher sounds like a cool guy.  Throwing bullets at people and hitting them in the head.  Sounds like a guy I would like to have a beer with, and compare our Baby Brownings.  

It's not that I don't believe the story...but no. I really don't believe that bullshit story. No instructor would throw live ammo at a student. Hell, no instructor is supposed to have live ammo in a classroom.

That, plus NOBODY in the small arms instruction world would try to rationalize the pathetic .25. Just wouldn't happen. The round barely surpasses a .22LR. It's a round whose only purpose would be to enrage an attacker and make them kill you harder.

[Twaddle]

It's not that I don't believe the story...but no. I really don't believe that bullshit story. No instructor would throw live ammo at a student. Hell, no instructor is supposed to have live ammo in a classroom.

That, plus NOBODY in the small arms instruction world would try to rationalize the pathetic .25. Just wouldn't happen. The round barely surpasses a .22LR. It's a round whose only purpose would be to enrage an attacker and make them kill you harder.

Baby Browning is just my BUG.  My primary is my 41.   

[Parker]

It's not that I don't believe the story...but no. I really don't believe that bullshit story. No instructor would throw live ammo at a student. Hell, no instructor is supposed to have live ammo in a classroom.

That, plus NOBODY in the small arms instruction world would try to rationalize the pathetic .25. Just wouldn't happen. The round barely surpasses a .22LR. It's a round whose only purpose would be to enrage an attacker and make them kill you harder.

It was 30 years ago. So take that into account. 1986.

[_aj_]

It was 30 years ago. So take that into account. 1986.

30 years ago, there was no decent modern hollow-point ammo for the .25. The ONLY way a thrown .25 round would pierce the skin is if it manages to magically hit with the sharper edge of the hollow point. Since the round was not anachronistic, it had to be a lead or FMJ round which UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN BE THROWN WITH ENOUGH FORCE TO DRAW BLOOD.

So no, still not buying the bullshit story.

[_aj_]

Baby Browning is just my BUG.  My primary is my 41.   

A Glock 41 or a unicorn S&W 57 in the ridiculous .41 Magnum round?

[calfzilla]

I quite enjoy that youtube hickok fellow that someone (AJ?) linked to in a gun thread a few months, back.  Love how he has a little laugh after every shot with the interesting guns. 

Was probably me. I posted a couple Hickok videos on here.

[Twaddle]

A Glock 41 or a unicorn S&W 57 in the ridiculous .41 Magnum round?

Neither, my 41 Colt.   

[mr.turbo]

just got done watching mr hickok, he gets a lot of views

[Voice of Doom]

It's not that I don't believe the story...but no. I really don't believe that bullshit story. No instructor would throw live ammo at a student. Hell, no instructor is supposed to have live ammo in a classroom.

That, plus NOBODY in the small arms instruction world would try to rationalize the pathetic .25. Just wouldn't happen. The round barely surpasses a .22LR. It's a round whose only purpose would be to enrage an attacker and make them kill you harder.

haha... This ^^

I swap between a bodyguard 380 and M&P Shield 9mm depending on the season and what I have to wear at work.

[Twaddle]

haha... This ^^

I swap between a bodyguard 380 and M&P Shield 9mm depending on the season and what I have to wear at work.

Ahhh, the venerable 380.  Great little gun.  Small, lightweight, and packs a punch.  Good choices.   

[_aj_]

Neither, my 41 Colt.   

So you rotate your carry weapon between an ancient jam-o-matic in a pathetically weak caliber with near zero capacity and an oversized, overweight, inconcealable six-round wheel gun in a wannabe over-penetrating caliber? Christ, man.

[oldtimer1]

It's not that I don't believe the story...but no. I really don't believe that bullshit story. No instructor would throw live ammo at a student. Hell, no instructor is supposed to have live ammo in a classroom.

That, plus NOBODY in the small arms instruction world would try to rationalize the pathetic .25. Just wouldn't happen. The round barely surpasses a .22LR. It's a round whose only purpose would be to enrage an attacker and make them kill you harder.

No, live ammo in a classroom? I guess you were never in the military or police. I understand a civilian training carry class or a hunting one having that rule with people with questionable backgrounds and knowledge. I can take a OO buckshot and throw it at your skull and leave a mark and that's round. Who said he would rationalize the .25?  I doubt you would let anyone shoot you in the skull with a .22lr or a .25ACP FMJ.

The .25ACP is a really weak round. To reiterate what I wrote previously Hornady makes a really nice round in the .25ACP. A baby Browning on your person is worth more than a double stack 9MM in your trunk when trouble comes.  

[_aj_]

Ahhh, the venerable 380.  Great little gun.  Small, lightweight, and packs a punch.  Good choices.   

The .380 is the bare minimum for CCW and I usually only recommend it to women.

[_aj_]

No, live ammo in a classroom? I guess you were never in the military or police. I understand a civilian training carry class or a hunting one having that rule with people with questionable backgrounds and knowledge. I can take a OO buckshot and throw it at your skull and leave a mark and that's round. Who said he would rationalize the .25?  I doubt you would let anyone shoot you in the skull with a .22lr or a .25ACP FMJ.

The .25ACP is a really weak round. To reiterate what I wrote previously Hornady makes a really nice round in the .25ACP. A baby Browning on your person is worth more than a double stack 9MM in your trunk when trouble comes.  

 

I've taught civilian, military and police in my time and in all classroom instruction, there's no live ammo in the classroom. Your story is bullshit.

[oldtimer1]

What are you a civilian NRA instructor? I have been a correction officer in max prison, a city cop and a State Trooper for 25 years. Yes, a six figure paid professional with three police academies. Yes, there is live ammo in class rooms. I agree there should be no live ammo with simpletons like you.

[Twaddle]

So you rotate your carry weapon between an ancient jam-o-matic in a pathetically weak caliber with near zero capacity and an oversized, overweight, inconcealable six-round wheel gun in a wannabe over-penetrating caliber? Christ, man.

If I'm going into a really sketchy neighborhood, I take my 45 Super.   

[_aj_]

What are you a civilian NRA instructor? I have been a correction officer in max prison, a city cop and a State Trooper for 25 years. Yes, a six figure paid professional with three police academies. Yes, there is live ammo in class rooms. I agree there should be no live ammo with simpletons like you.

 

You memory is likely going with the rest of your body. It's live ammo on the range, dummy ammo in the class. Even SEALs do it that way. And yea, I was S3 and it was my MOS to train military.

[Twaddle]

If I'm heading into the woods, I never leave home without my Ruger 357.