I'm not sure. He always looked very good to me. Some of the best delts to ever grace a stage.
Might have been because he was Detroit-based and not out in California sucking Weider dick that hurt him and kept him out of the magazines
hey walter i am from michigan, he trained at the original powerhouse gym a true shithole, he was a cop to .
he looked really good back in the day . i think your right to about him not sucking joes old wrinkly dinkly.