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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2016, 08:58:59 AM »
Lenox Lewis is underrated. He may be a schmuck. But he was really, really good.
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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2016, 09:00:04 AM »
Lewis had one of the heaviest set of hands in boxing... He was lazy tho

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2016, 09:19:05 AM »
Lewis had one of the heaviest set of hands in boxing... He was lazy tho

Great boxer, but dull as fuck when he wasn't avenging knock outs.




People not having Holyfield in their top 10 is bonkers. Unified belts at CW and HW, went to war with blokes far bigger than him, put the fear of god in Tyson and fought the most boring PR boxer of all time on three occasions.

Evander was fucking nails.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2016, 09:21:20 AM »
Great boxer, but dull as fuck when he wasn't avenging knock outs.




People not having Holyfield in their top 10 is bonkers. Unified belts at CW and HW, went to war with blokes far bigger than him, put the fear of god in Tyson and fought the most boring PR boxer of all time on three occasions.

Evander was fucking nails.
I agree,watch special on him/Tyson and how for yrs and yrs he had to wait to fight Tyson due to Tyson out of ring troubles...should have really fought in 91 /92

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2016, 09:27:31 AM »
I agree,watch special on him/Tyson and how for yrs and yrs he had to wait to fight Tyson due to Tyson out of ring troubles...should have really fought in 91 /92

People genuinely thought Tyson might kill him in the first match. Instead Holyfield come out singing along to gospel and proceeded to bully the shit out of him.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2016, 10:01:24 AM »
Great boxer, but dull as fuck when he wasn't avenging knock outs.




People not having Holyfield in their top 10 is bonkers. Unified belts at CW and HW, went to war with blokes far bigger than him, put the fear of god in Tyson and fought the most boring PR boxer of all time on three occasions.

Evander was fucking nails.


you got that right holyfield was also in way more exciting fights than tyson ever was

tyson may have been blessed with more talent

but holyfield worked way harder and had way more heart.

this is coming from a guy who was a huge tyson mark, back in the day.

 i lost alot of love for tyson when he admitted he didnt train much and was just there for th emoney . 

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2016, 10:13:11 AM »

you got that right holyfield was also in way more exciting fights than tyson ever was

tyson may have been blessed with more talent

but holyfield worked way harder and had way more heart.

this is coming from a guy who was a huge tyson mark, back in the day.

 i lost alot of love for tyson when he admitted he didnt train much and was just there for th emoney . 

Me too. I was a massive Tyson fan - got a framed signed photo in my attic - but he never went all out like this:


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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2016, 03:04:15 PM »
Lenox Lewis is underrated. He may be a schmuck. But he was really, really good.
      i always think of lennox lewis as the end of an era when the heavyweight division still mattered. he was lazy though.
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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2016, 03:06:48 PM »
boxing is sucky now. that is the only reason UFC homoerotic wresting is so popular
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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2016, 03:15:50 PM »
this is based on a prime Tyson circa 1991

prime Tyson would have KO'd prime lewis, it took a prime lewis 8 rounds to beat a shot  Tyson

I believe also Prime Tyson would have been too much for Prime evander, based on styles
also prime evander struggled with old Larry and had a hard time with old George too

Lewis was almost 37 years old for this fight.  It was his second to last fight before retiring.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2016, 03:19:36 PM »
Lewis was almost 37 years old for this fight.  It was his second to last fight before retiring.
lewis only won the title after everyone get too old to fight
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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2016, 05:26:43 PM »
Lennox Lewis is as historically underrated as Larry Holmes.  Lennox had that power that when he hit guys, if he didn't knock them out, he took their will to keep trying.  See the David Tua fight.

David Tua had a cast iron chin and was relentless.  Until he fought Lennox.  Lennox would bang the body and throw a variety of punches upstairs.  It was early in the Tua fight he hit him with a wrap around hook to the body and Tua basically quit after that.

Also, like Holyfield, Lewis had incredible self belief/confidence. 

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2016, 05:43:48 PM »
      i always think of lennox lewis as the end of an era when the heavyweight division still mattered. he was lazy though.

The Paul Dillett of boxing?

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2016, 07:20:47 AM »
Just watched Ron Lyle vs. Foreman again on YouTube, love that fight. Not a lick of defense, each guy going down a couple times 'til George got him at the end.
Zero boxing going on,  just swinging... I think Lyle knocked out Earnie Shavers, who was also a beast...

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2016, 07:27:23 AM »
Just watched Ron Lyle vs. Foreman again on YouTube, love that fight. Not a lick of defense, each guy going down a couple times 'til George got him at the end.
Zero boxing going on,  just swinging... I think Lyle knocked out Earnie Shavers, who was also a beast...
exactly the point , guys like the 5 pic'd and lesser lights like ron  lyle,earnie shavers, sonny liston, floyd patterson, the quarry brothers and on and on made that the best era in boxing.
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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2016, 08:22:04 AM »
Lennox Lewis is as historically underrated as Larry Holmes.  Lennox had that power that when he hit guys, if he didn't knock them out, he took their will to keep trying.  See the David Tua fight.

David Tua had a cast iron chin and was relentless.  Until he fought Lennox.  Lennox would bang the body and throw a variety of punches upstairs.  It was early in the Tua fight he hit him with a wrap around hook to the body and Tua basically quit after that.

Also, like Holyfield, Lewis had incredible self belief/confidence. 

Tua was never particular special outside of a having a great left hook and being durable though.
A small HW like Chris Byrd outboxed Tua comfortably, even Maskaev did the same until Tua caught him late.
Lewis was a great boxer but I agree with the others who say that he had the fortune of peaking at the time when his major rivals were on the decline.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2016, 08:50:41 AM »
If Gerry Cooney had a better work ethic and didn't party so much he would have been in the top 3.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2016, 10:29:19 AM »
not to diminish the heavyweights but the 70/80's small classes is what made boxing great as well,,hitman hearns,alexis arguello,sugar ray, no mas duran,pryor,mark breland,wilfredo benitez,macho Camacho.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2016, 11:12:27 AM »
not to diminish the heavyweights but the 70/80's small classes is what made boxing great as well,,hitman hearns,alexis arguello,sugar ray, no mas duran,pryor,mark breland,wilfredo benitez,macho Camacho.

Watched Chavez v Camacho again the other day and that is a genuine world class beating. Camacho may have been fruity, but he was tough as fuck.

I don't know if its a sign of getting old, but I struggle to sit through a lot of modern fights. However, I will happily sit through Toney v Nunn for the 20th time or other fights from the nineties/early noughties.

Same goes with films and music. So it probably is a case of getting old.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2016, 11:19:53 AM »
not to diminish the heavyweights but the 70/80's small classes is what made boxing great as well,,hitman hearns,alexis arguello,sugar ray, no mas duran,pryor,mark breland,wilfredo benitez,macho Camacho.
marvin hagler and so many more. hagler vs  hearns greatest round of boxing.
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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2016, 11:27:47 AM »
marvin hagler and so many more. hagler vs  hearns greatest round of boxing.
haggler was in my mind as I was typing I forgot to add to the list.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2016, 11:48:28 AM »

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2016, 11:56:46 AM »
If Gerry Cooney had a better work ethic and didn't party so much he would have been in the top 3.

Didnt have the chin though, thats one of those things you either have, or you dont. Cooney was exciting, loved those times...
if he had Ray Mercers chin, Cooney would have been champ at one point...

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2016, 01:45:15 PM »
Didnt have the chin though, thats one of those things you either have, or you dont. Cooney was exciting, loved those times...
if he had Ray Mercers chin, Cooney would have been champ at one point...

He got rocked by Holmes in the 2nd  round but managed to get up and it was only after his corner threw in the towel that the fight was stopped. If not for some dubious low blow penalties he would have been ahead on the judges' scorecards when the fight was stopped. I really believe Gerry could have been one of the all time greats. He had a great frame and tremendous punching power. The drugs fucked him up though.

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Re: when heavyweight boxing was king..
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2016, 02:36:30 PM »
Whites have been dominating Heavyweight Boxing the past 15 years. Would Ali, Tyson, Foreman etc. really stand a chance against giants like Fury and Klitschko?

Look how Fury manhandles Cunningham (6'-3") around 32 minutes.