Gun attack on Florida gay club.

[Las Vegas]

the best way to reduce terror is to stop participating in it.

If you're looking to increase it, however, then it all starts making sense.

[Kwon]

Yup.  Just imagine if Groink were in that club.  The man would've seen Groink and been sucked into manlove and forgotten all about the 72 virgins as opposed to a moment in the men's room with the Groinkster.

Religion of piece, indeed.

Either 240 or Groink in the area would have prevented this terror-act for sure.

[Las Vegas]

I would think so.   I'm sure someone will try the freedom of speech angle... but if this report is accurate that he wrote it, then he shouldn't be here.

All these complaints about the religion - I don't know what their solution to this is.  

I'm not fully aware of what's been said, etc., but how in hell can it be explained that this person with such a history would go on, unobserved, to prance his latent self into a bar, fully armed, to kill 50 people.

If this surveillance state means shit-all: How in the fuck is it people aren't held responsible?

[mr.turbo]

If you're looking to increase it, however, then it all starts making sense.

within an insane framework, it does

[Las Vegas]

within an insane framework, it does

It certainly doesn't make sense if you want a peaceful place to live.

[TuHolmes]

I'm not fully aware of what's been said, etc., but how in hell can it be explained that this person with such a history would go on, unobserved, to prance his latent self into a bar, fully armed, to kill 50 people.

If this surveillance state means shit-all: How in the fuck is it people aren't held responsible?

Because it is impossible to sift through all of the data that they are collecting.

The more data they get from everyone, the harder it is to actually get through it.

Intelligence is a failure of its own design.

[240 is Back]

I'm not fully aware of what's been said, etc., but how in hell can it be explained that this person with such a history would go on, unobserved, to prance his latent self into a bar, fully armed, to kill 50 people.

If this surveillance state means shit-all: How in the fuck is it people aren't held responsible?

maybe this is where the problem lies.

If there's *ALREADY* enough dirt on a person to warrant a survillance team... then maybe it's just time to deport them.

Yes, you won't "catch them in the act", but as we leared from 1993WTC, arming bad guys to "catch them in the act" doesn't always work.  

If a person swears allegiance to a terror group, give them a 40 year ban from US soil.  Or make it a lifetime ban.  

Pretty freakin' simple.  All this crap about "we were watching him..." is what feeds conspiracy theorists - because when they don't catch the bad guy in time, everyone plays dumb about their involvement prior.  

[Las Vegas]

maybe this is where the problem lies.

If there's *ALREADY* enough dirt on a person to warrant a survillance team... then maybe it's just time to deport them.

Yes, you won't "catch them in the act", but as we leared from 1993WTC, arming bad guys to "catch them in the act" doesn't always work.  

If a person swears allegiance to a terror group, give them a 40 year ban from US soil.  Or make it a lifetime ban.  

Pretty freakin' simple.  All this crap about "we were watching him..." is what feeds conspiracy theorists - because when they don't catch the bad guy in time, everyone plays dumb about their involvement prior.  

AFAIK this clown was home-brewed.

[Las Vegas]

240, do you know where and when the guy got the weapons?  I haven't seen all the info on it.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Honestly, this shit might wake up the LGBT community.  Its been prancing and dancing around lately with "Hug a Muslim" and trying to be friends.  As Tupac says, "Fuck Friends".  The community need to get armed and ready to defend themselves.  Better to die fighting then to try running.

[Las Vegas]

Because it is impossible to sift through all of the data that they are collecting.

The more data they get from everyone, the harder it is to actually get through it.

Intelligence is a failure of its own design.

If true, and I wouldn't deny it at all, then IMO it shows they aren't merely into this for "security reasons" and the whole thing needs to be immediately revealed.

[240 is Back]

240, do you know where and when the guy got the weapons?  I haven't seen all the info on it.

nope, i haven't been attached to the new on this one, like I normally am.   weekends are always crazy for me.

it's scary.  I play in crazy packed clubs all the time, and I'm ALWAYS bitching about lack of security.  I'm talking year-round spring break places with 300+ people in the room.

You have 3 unarmed guys working the door, chatting up girls in bikinis and playing on their phones, while people just run wild, fall into the band, spill drinks, and in general just act like fcking entitled babies.   Every night, I must restrain myself from punching 5-6 people, seriously.   They fall into you and laugh or act upset that you were in their way, what with your standing onstage and all.  Last night, packed room, some drunk bikini chick falls into the drumset while snapchatting.  It's funny, if the set doesn't cost 3 grand, ya know?

this is a wakeup call.  Clubs, search people.  Security guards, wake up and watch the room.  I can see how an AR and a handgun could cut down 100 people in 30 seconds, easily.   many of those rounds probably went through 15 people.  

[The True Adonis]

Honestly, this shit might wake up the LGBT community.  Its been prancing and dancing around lately with "Hug a Muslim" and trying to be friends.  As Tupac says, "Fuck Friends".  The community need to get armed and ready to defend themselves.  Better to die fighting then to try running.

This is exactly what I was alluding to a few posts back.  Time to stop running around with the enemy and voting for people like Hillary Clinton.

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

Honestly, this shit might wake up the LGBT community.  Its been prancing and dancing around lately with "Hug a Muslim" and trying to be friends.  As Tupac says, "Fuck Friends".  The community need to get armed and ready to defend themselves.  Better to die fighting then to try running.

Well said.  Be great to see the uphill gardeners and lezzers get pissed and bitchy with the mussers, whacking their heads with their high heels and scratching them with their fake nails.

[The True Adonis]

That's putting it lightly too.

I laugh and still laugh at Europeans for promoting the Islamification of Europe and the attitude of the public is apathetic.

Us Americans are NOT like that.  We do not promote Islamification and you will NEVER see it grow in our country as it does in Europe.  The average European is just fine with letting Muslims run roughshod over their citizenry and culture.

This is not something seen in America nor will you ever see it.  So yes, until Europe puts its foot down, I and most of America will continue to laugh at your apathetic excuses for why Islam should run your country and culture.

That shit does not fly in the US.  I think you and the others misunderstand this and what all the "laughing" is about.

[mr.turbo]

It certainly doesn't make sense if you want a peaceful place to live.

FBI investigated him uh twice.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-fbi-investigated-omar-mateen-in-the-1465761108-htmlstory.html

 

[Las Vegas]

Exactly right about Hillary.  She is right there, a key-player in the smoke show that "never quite seems" to prevent disaster, despite being in love with the surveillance state.

And Tu brings up a good point, in that our old system was very good at sharpening observation in order to determine direction -- and having a dragnet-sort of surveillance state is nothing but power gone mad.  It is a massive fail on every level.

But no one can tell me they weren't aware of this POS.

[Chadwick The Beta]

saved AIDS a lot of trouble

[Las Vegas]

FBI investigated him uh twice.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-fbi-investigated-omar-mateen-in-the-1465761108-htmlstory.html

 

The same FBI who seem to have gotten "failure" down to a science?

I'm telling you, there are individuals out there who need to be punished.  Not just this case, either.  It's become the norm and it needs to stop.

[Rambone]

My girlfriend's older brother was currently working with the guy as his supervisor. They're security for a housing development with million dollar houses. He worked overtime last night to cover for the guy because he was a no-show, not knowing that he was in Orlando shooting up the place. He should be expecting FBI agents shortly.

[240 is Back]

FBI investigated him uh twice.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-fbi-investigated-omar-mateen-in-the-1465761108-htmlstory.html

 

See, once should be enough.   Boot his ass.   

[Rudee]

At some point they will release photographs of the shooting victims.  And I'm pretty certain you'll see lots of beaming smiles in the photographs, as gay men love having their photo taken, and they always smile at the camera.

[Las Vegas]

Once again, it becomes very difficult to see how these guys aren't actually trying to cause terror to happen.

[Las Vegas]

Local LE need to step up to the plate and call-out the FBI.

[240 is Back]

Stay classy, trump.